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Anachronism
Profile Joined December 2011
109 Posts
December 03 2011 03:30 GMT
#6761
Tick tock tick tock.

Man I wish I was as pumped as that one guy in the crowd, love that guy
Deus Vult
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 03 2011 03:30 GMT
#6762
On December 03 2011 12:29 magnaflow wrote:
Wasn't there a MLG where it was Jinro vs TT1 (Jinro winning of course) before Jinro went to Korea?


Yeah 2010, was finals where Jinro beat TT1.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
December 03 2011 03:30 GMT
#6763

On December 03 2011 12:24 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:23 ZeromuS wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:17 Hierarch wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:16 Eppa! wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:14 Hierarch wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 MrCon wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Whiteman103 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:09 HuKPOWA wrote:
Picking Dual Sight sorta signed his own Death!


theres a reason he did most pros say its a toss map!!!

And that reason is...their 20% winrate vZ on it ? :D (I know 20% is an exaggeration)


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/445_Dual_Sight

32.6% it seems

March version is a lot lot lot different than current one, its like comparing cross metal to close (ground) metal.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1

not a big enough sample size to say anything


Those are only the korean games and doesn't include the games played not in KSC2 tournies.

International and Korean combined

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=maps&id=445&part=games&matchup=ZvP&league=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=21&to_year=2011&to_month=12&to_day=2&action=Update

ZvP record: 76-55 (58%)

Note: a lot of the international games are from things like weekly cups and other open tournies where players like naniwa beat players such as blackcidy.

So one can say it is probably skewed towards protoss favour in the above stats since when you look at the recognizable names games, its far more often that Z wins over P.

the map is bad for protoss and highly Zerg favoured in that matchup. 58% is quite bad as far as map balance goes tbh.




Comparing balance not at the very top level is pointless. I bolded the part that makes the 76-55 record irrelevant.



Yeah thats my point with the whole bolded part. Even when it isn't at the highest level the results show Zerg beating protoss a lot more than the other way around. If Korean TLPD isnt enough on its own then international and Korean TLPD both considered show a huge Zerg winrate vs P.

Im not claiming imbalance of the races, I am saying the map is heavily Zerg favoured and if you choose it as toss you are banking on having either an amazing strategy or playing against someone much much worse than you. In this case, TT1 shouldn't have gambled with that map choice against Sen when was down 2-1 in the series.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
December 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#6764
On December 03 2011 12:27 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:18 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:15 dmnum wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

This....doesn't even make sense. Yes TT1 is good, but huk, hero and mana are all better than him. And sen was clearly the favorite, therefore it wasn't an upset.



how soon people forget MLG dallas where tt1 took 2nd. im not sure who mana is but i doubt he has even made it to pool play in MLG... please dont disrespect player just becaues you dislike them artosis just did a long rant on the SOTG about this


TT1 wasn't at dallas as far as i know.



TT1 attended MLG dallas 2010, not 2011
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
December 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#6765
It almost felt like TT1 didn't 2 base all in purely because of that thread and he was trying to prove a point, which made me smile every time his 3rd got denied, obviously needs more practice taking it.

No but seriously I don't see why people are bashing him he played pretty well considering who he was playing, I think he was rattled by the last game anyway.
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#6766
On December 03 2011 12:27 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:18 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:15 dmnum wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

This....doesn't even make sense. Yes TT1 is good, but huk, hero and mana are all better than him. And sen was clearly the favorite, therefore it wasn't an upset.



how soon people forget MLG dallas where tt1 took 2nd. im not sure who mana is but i doubt he has even made it to pool play in MLG... please dont disrespect player just becaues you dislike them artosis just did a long rant on the SOTG about this


TT1 wasn't at dallas as far as i know.

I think he's talking about MLG Dallas 2010.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
December 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#6767
On December 03 2011 12:23 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:21 claash wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:19 Alpino wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:18 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

He wasn't exactly 'bahsing' TT1, more or less laughing at the statement that TT1 should be considered one of the 2 best protoss at this tournament. Which is a very valid statement. No offense to TT1 but even he says he's considered an underdog.
Bottom line to say TT1 is top 2 Protoss in a tournament with HerO HuK Hasuobs MaNa and Hwangsin is just out right silly. IMO its pretty cleared the top 2 by far are HuK and HerO followed by Hasu then really a toss up(Pun definitely intended) between the rest.


MaNa is better than Hasu, MaNa is the best Protoss in europe by far. By far. Look at your right(TLPD).

(NaNi and SaSe are in Korea, just reminding.)


TLPD.alright.thats all what counts


Yes TLPD is not a good way to attest a players regularity right, I mean, Nerchio, MaNa, Stephano, NaNiwa and Sen.


its a tendence.but not the best option to look whos the best for sure
i mean bling over ret and sase?nestea on 85?
darkforce over hasuobs?
etc.

CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#6768
Morrow got his hair cut.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
December 03 2011 03:32 GMT
#6769
On December 03 2011 12:27 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:18 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:15 dmnum wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

This....doesn't even make sense. Yes TT1 is good, but huk, hero and mana are all better than him. And sen was clearly the favorite, therefore it wasn't an upset.



how soon people forget MLG dallas where tt1 took 2nd. im not sure who mana is but i doubt he has even made it to pool play in MLG... please dont disrespect player just becaues you dislike them artosis just did a long rant on the SOTG about this


TT1 wasn't at dallas as far as i know.

he was there and he barely lost to Liquid`Jiinro in the finals.

On December 03 2011 12:26 yoshi245 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:18 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:15 dmnum wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

This....doesn't even make sense. Yes TT1 is good, but huk, hero and mana are all better than him. And sen was clearly the favorite, therefore it wasn't an upset.



how soon people forget MLG dallas where tt1 took 2nd. im not sure who mana is but i doubt he has even made it to pool play in MLG... please dont disrespect player just becaues you dislike them artosis just did a long rant on the SOTG about this


Are you delusional, ignorant, or just trolling? I don't even dislike TT1, but you either are oblivious to what Mana has done this year compared to TT1. He's far more accomplished and easily a much higher ranked foreigner toss.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1214_MaNa


look buddy you dont have to resort to name calling when you have a difference of opinion its fine if you are a fan of mana over tt1 but to put go4sc2 weekend cups amongs tourneys like MLG is just ridiculous. there are plenty of players who win a lot of the EU weekend cups (stephanio comes to mind) that never were able to perform when it counted at MLG.
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
HigoSeco
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile232 Posts
December 03 2011 03:32 GMT
#6770
nice, husky+mrbitter next
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 03 2011 03:32 GMT
#6771
All this downtime is pretty sad. With so many casters there, couldn't they throw a caster couch or something similar together?
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
December 03 2011 03:33 GMT
#6772
On December 03 2011 12:31 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:27 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:18 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:15 dmnum wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:13 Juanald wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Juanald wrote:
wow the 2 best protoss eliminated already this is turning out to be the tourney of upsets

lol 2 best protoss. not even close.. TT1 with very questionable decision making and sen crushed him for his bad decisions

please leave the player bashing out of here huk and tt1 have been considered to be in the top 3 - top 5 of the foreign community since retail (old schooL).. dont let your hatred blind you. sen outplayed him this game and thats why it was an upset

This....doesn't even make sense. Yes TT1 is good, but huk, hero and mana are all better than him. And sen was clearly the favorite, therefore it wasn't an upset.



how soon people forget MLG dallas where tt1 took 2nd. im not sure who mana is but i doubt he has even made it to pool play in MLG... please dont disrespect player just becaues you dislike them artosis just did a long rant on the SOTG about this


TT1 wasn't at dallas as far as i know.

I think he's talking about MLG Dallas 2010.


Woops, my bad. Although forgetting a year old result shouldnt cause me any sleepless nights
월요 날 재미있
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 03 2011 03:34 GMT
#6773
On December 03 2011 12:32 NuclearJudas wrote:
All this downtime is pretty sad. With so many casters there, couldn't they throw a caster couch or something similar together?


Well, that was a pretty new thing at dreamhack.
And casters have to eat and relax a bit apparently, caster coach for a whole tournament is probably a bit too much.
Would be cool for the grandfinal though
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
December 03 2011 03:34 GMT
#6774
What's happening? Aren't they behind schedule? How come they're not starting?
sleepyguy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States272 Posts
December 03 2011 03:34 GMT
#6775
At this rate the NASL games will finish around 5am est for me. And GSL starts at 3am for me (no sleeping tonight)
WE FOKKEN LOST BOYS
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
December 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#6776
Guys, when will you realize that juanald is a troll?
Look he calls axslav axslave multiple times http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=axslave&t=c&f=-1&u=Juanald&gb=date&d=
He mentions machine every other post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=machine&t=c&f=-1&u=Juanald&gb=date&d=

Just look at this posts, they are so silly.
suprised the votes are favoring violet .. EG.Axslave lives with 3 of the best zergs in the foriegn scene if not the world... Idra Machine and Strifecrow i have a feeling this wont even be close..


Kelly milkis hahaha
wow thanks KellyMilkis u really do alot for the community any chance u could translate netizens reaction to huk to EG news.


its really sad there are so many haters out there they let there jealousy blind them.. its probably the same people who were writing off players like machine huk tt1 before there rise to fame ..


The only way he could not be a troll is if he is like machine's 10 year old brother, but just look at what he posts. I just combed through his posts and most of them are talking about the top 5 X or why people shouldn't bash people people he likes.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
December 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#6777
On December 03 2011 12:23 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 12:17 Hierarch wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:16 Eppa! wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:14 Hierarch wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:11 MrCon wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:10 Whiteman103 wrote:
On December 03 2011 12:09 HuKPOWA wrote:
Picking Dual Sight sorta signed his own Death!


theres a reason he did most pros say its a toss map!!!

And that reason is...their 20% winrate vZ on it ? :D (I know 20% is an exaggeration)


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/445_Dual_Sight

32.6% it seems

March version is a lot lot lot different than current one, its like comparing cross metal to close (ground) metal.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1

not a big enough sample size to say anything


Those are only the korean games and doesn't include the games played not in KSC2 tournies.

International and Korean combined

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=maps&id=445&part=games&matchup=ZvP&league=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=21&to_year=2011&to_month=12&to_day=2&action=Update

ZvP record: 76-55 (58%)

Note: a lot of the international games are from things like weekly cups and other open tournies where players like naniwa beat players such as blackcidy.

So one can say it is probably skewed towards protoss favour in the above stats since when you look at the recognizable names games, its far more often that Z wins over P.

the map is bad for protoss and highly Zerg favoured in that matchup. 58% is quite bad as far as map balance goes tbh.



But that still old dual site, according to tlpd the only foreign tournament that has used the newest version is dreamhack winter.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#6778
On December 03 2011 12:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
What's happening? Aren't they behind schedule? How come they're not starting?

Seems to take unusually long time for players to set up for these games.
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
December 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#6779
On December 03 2011 12:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
What's happening? Aren't they behind schedule? How come they're not starting?


it looks like their switching casters every 2 sets, so i assume the enw casters are getting set up, as well as the players getting ready to go.
reapsen
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany559 Posts
December 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#6780
I don't get it.. just give one of the 9(!) casters that are there a mic, put a camera on him and let him talk or interview someone... everything is better than staring at a waiting screen?
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