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On November 28 2011 22:08 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:05 gruff wrote:On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Quite a successful one it would seem. If people starts reading the name of the posters they are responding to maybe this wouldn't be the case.  Troll? If you read my posts you would know I've been a Leenock for a long time, and i'm quite disgusted over all the MVP nuthuggers not giving Leenock the credit he deserves.
We gave, and are still giving credit. You just push your opinion too hard like a 9 year old kid trying to convince everybody chocolate chip is the best flavor for a cookie and oatmeal could never 'ever' come close.
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On November 28 2011 21:59 SuperFanBoy wrote:
In mma or boxing if you lose to someone you lose your rank to them.. MVP has lost twice now to Leenock but he doesn't lose his rank as #1? I think most of you are in denial right now.. MVP was outplayed by Leenock in MLG and GSL.. lets face it.
It´s sc2 and not mma or boxing. Outplayed? It was a wonderful back and forth semifinal with the closest possible score of 3:2. Yeah, MVP got outplayed seriously -.- . I am really happy Leenock won and that he finally shows his skills, but stop overhyping after two tourneys please...
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On November 28 2011 22:08 GhostFall wrote:
I think BW fans misused the word bonjwa as well. An etymologist would probably shit a brick if they saw how the word evolved.
Originally used as a nickname for JulyZerg. So his nickname is bonjwa, but he's not a bonjwa. What??? Not established in the time of Boxer, oov, or Nada. Retroactively applied after savior's rise. Even more WHAT???
Even the way it is used now, its kinda demeaning to older players because it kind of implies they didn't have as strong of competition back in the times of boxer, oov, nada, or savior
koreans jokingly called july bonjwa,they sseriously called Savior bonjwa.
Ma Bonjwa.
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Another champion who is not NesTea or MVP, hooray! \o/
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That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games.
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On November 28 2011 22:08 GhostFall wrote:
I think BW fans misused the word bonjwa as well. An etymologist would probably shit a brick if they saw how the word evolved.
Originally used as a nickname for JulyZerg. So his nickname is bonjwa, but he's not a bonjwa. What??? Not established in the time of Boxer, oov, or Nada. Retroactively applied after savior's rise. Even more WHAT???
Even the way it is used now, its kinda demeaning to older players because it kind of implies they didn't have as strong of competition back in the times of boxer, oov, nada, or savior
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Savior is the first one to be considered Bonjwa dude...July never even had a period of total domination to be considered a bonjwa -_-
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On November 28 2011 22:12 FLuE wrote:
That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games.
Hahaha, awesome. /thread. :D
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no more free vods on gom ????
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Wow FXO bringing up their a-game.
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On November 28 2011 22:12 FLuE wrote:
That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games.
u think ur so funny.
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On November 28 2011 22:06 Tachion wrote:
After watching all those games.....I don't even know what makes leenock's zvt good. He doesn't have the control of DRG, or any mind boggling strats of Nestea. He just kinda defended then would pull off 1 or 2 huge attacks to gain a significant advantage for the rest of the game.
MVP's multi-tasking stood out way more than anything leenock did in the series.
I think Leenock's control is AT LEAST as good as DRG's. Just watch how he defended against ~15 BF-hellions with 2 queens and like 10 lings on crossfire, that was insane.
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On November 28 2011 22:10 Sh1bby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:59 SuperFanBoy wrote:
In mma or boxing if you lose to someone you lose your rank to them.. MVP has lost twice now to Leenock but he doesn't lose his rank as #1? I think most of you are in denial right now.. MVP was outplayed by Leenock in MLG and GSL.. lets face it. It´s sc2 and not mma or boxing. Outplayed? It was a wonderful back and forth semifinal with the closest possible score of 3:2. Yeah, MVP got outplayed seriously -.- . I am really happy Leenock won and that he finally shows his skills, but stop overhyping after two tourneys please...
I've always related sc2 more to tennis than boxing/mma since those incorporate set fights with the rank on the line, whereas tennis incorporates a flexible points and ranking system into the multitude of tournaments provided to the players to compete in.
In this case, MVP is still raking in the ranking points. Hypothetically Leenock would be making an enormous rush into the top 10, probably nabbing a top 5 spot off the back of (potentially) two 'grand slam-ish' events. But his rank before the last few weeks was only middle ground.
That's how I rank sc2 in my mind. Sort of combination of recent results and consistency for a certain time.
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On November 28 2011 22:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:12 FLuE wrote:
That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games. u think ur so funny.
u bonjwa bro?
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On November 28 2011 22:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:12 FLuE wrote:
That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games. u think ur so funny.
[bonjwa]I laughed =D [/bonjwa]
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On November 28 2011 22:15 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 22:12 FLuE wrote:
That was a pretty bonjwa series between bonjwa MVP and bonjwa Leenock. A win like that could elevate Leenock to super bonjwa status, gotta love his bonjwa momentum going into this finals. All in all, today was a pretty bonjwa day of SC2. I can't help but feel the finals will not be as bonjwa... but maybe we'll get lucky and finally get a Code S bonjwa level finals for once that will go 7 bonjwa games. u think ur so funny. u bonjwa bro?
I think I'm the bonjwa of funny.
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On November 28 2011 22:13 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:08 GhostFall wrote:
I think BW fans misused the word bonjwa as well. An etymologist would probably shit a brick if they saw how the word evolved.
Originally used as a nickname for JulyZerg. So his nickname is bonjwa, but he's not a bonjwa. What??? Not established in the time of Boxer, oov, or Nada. Retroactively applied after savior's rise. Even more WHAT???
Even the way it is used now, its kinda demeaning to older players because it kind of implies they didn't have as strong of competition back in the times of boxer, oov, nada, or savior ... Savior is the first one to be considered Bonjwa dude...July never even had a period of total domination to be considered a bonjwa -_-
See this is exactly my point.
July was the first one to be called a bonjwa.
Savior was the first one to be considered a bonjwa.
And then people retroactively applied bonjwa status to past players.
Do you see how stupid that is?
Edit - And you know what, because the term bonjwa is so stupid, I'm just going to follow SC2 trends. Leenock for the new bonjwa. MVP no longer bonjwa.
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On November 28 2011 22:15 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:06 Tachion wrote:
After watching all those games.....I don't even know what makes leenock's zvt good. He doesn't have the control of DRG, or any mind boggling strats of Nestea. He just kinda defended then would pull off 1 or 2 huge attacks to gain a significant advantage for the rest of the game.
MVP's multi-tasking stood out way more than anything leenock did in the series. I think Leenock's control is AT LEAST as good as DRG's. Just watch how he defended against ~15 BF-hellions with 2 queens and like 10 lings on crossfire, that was insane.
This, and the Huk allin defense on xelnaga cavern, showed Leenock has some fucking insane control. He's like a terran player who play zerg, he can micro (which is a rare feat for a zerg player xD)
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About the Leenock #1 player in the world debate. I think it's kinda fair to give him #1 in terms of "Power Ranking" now. But as we all know, with the state SC2 is in right now, people just come and go. So he could very well slide down eventually.
He is currently the best player at the moment (for the past 2 weeks at least) and is a HUGE favorite in the finals this Saturday.
EDIT: Having said that if Leenock were to play Mvp again, I'll still root for Mvp. You just don't root against MVP man.
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On November 28 2011 22:09 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:57 Rebs wrote:On November 28 2011 21:49 MrCon wrote:
We can expect a lot of 2 raxes by Bonjwakji imo.
Hope Leenock can train with MKP or sC because as good as his overall play is, his early game defense usually is not on par with the rest of his play. I really hope by early game you mean just bunker rushes? Because I have never, I mean never seen Leenock outright die to hellion harrass which is the most common. Or any other early game timing. I mean fuck that he even shut down mvps proxies. Infact I remember the slayers guys coming out with the marine hellion drop timing that got crushed so hard they stopped doing it. They did it to other players really well and even transitioned to that mass BFH mm style that he destroyed so royally the first time it was used in the GSL iirc, it went out of style faster than the latest smartphone. Yeah bunker rushes. The thing is he some times dies (by die %I mean just lose the hatch, even if the game is not over) to simple one rax pressure. A hard 11/11 with 2-4 scv pulled could hurt him a lot, and I'm sure bonjwakji will do some of those.
I agree about 11/11 for example, but regular bunker rush defense is something i'd consider a strength from Leenock of late. Unless you can point me to examples of him losing to them.... MKP series maybe? 'cause i can't think of anything. His TvZ record since June is like over 75% or something ridiculous.
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On November 28 2011 22:06 Tachion wrote:
After watching all those games.....I don't even know what makes leenock's zvt good. He doesn't have the control of DRG, or any mind boggling strats of Nestea. He just kinda defended then would pull off 1 or 2 huge attacks to gain a significant advantage for the rest of the game.
MVP's multi-tasking stood out way more than anything leenock did in the series.
It's his perfect defense. Hellion harass often does major damage to other zergs, while Leenock doesn't let them in at all. He uses his structures in the most efficient way to defend with as little as possible, and then explodes once he breaks out.
I'm actually quite surprised Mvp opened with hellions so many times in this series, when Leenock has been shutting it down for months now.
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