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On November 28 2011 21:57 kineticSYN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:54 SuperFanBoy wrote:On November 28 2011 21:50 Dodgin wrote:
Let's come back down to earth guys, the series was a 3-2 not a 3-0 and it could have gone either way. Leenock is obviously great but it takes time and consistancy to be labeled " the best " MVP is the best because he has been placing well in every tournament he has entered in recent time.
MVP only won those 2 games not because hes better than Leenock but because Leenock let him win.. MVP's first win was because Leenock lost to many infestors to single thor, he was very ahead in that game and he let MVP back in the game with that.. and MVP's other win was because Leenock decided he wanted to finish the series and tried to do a roach baneling all in which didn't work. In a standard game on a standard map, Leenock will win everytime.. His MLG run was not a fluke, he didn't fluke against Boxer, MMA, Idra, Huk, DRG, MVP and Naniwa. the fact of the matter is, he still won and the series was close mvp has way more consistent results, so until leenock does the same he can't be on the same platform idk why you're trying to push your opinion so hard, you have your opinion, just stay with it. wide majority of people recognize mvp as #1, you're not gonna convince them otherwise until either he falls off his consistency, or someone else catches up. neither of which seems to be coming any time soon.
aye i belive mvp should still be considered the best.. the games were very close, and the games that mvp won.. atleast one of them was majorly because lennock messed up.. though i doupt there are many terrans that could come back and win in those positions even if those mistakes were made..
but there's hope for lennock, he has beaten many realy powerful players lately, so one can only hope that he manages to keep it up ^^
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On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl
Quite a successful one it would seem. If people starts reading the name of the posters they are responding to maybe this wouldn't be the case. 
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On November 28 2011 21:57 Rikke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 28 2011 21:36 Grovbolle wrote:
0-2 liquibet T.T same  Who was so stupid to bet on Oz?
-_- Oz is a beast dude.... like BEAST!!! But he fell short tonight
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On November 28 2011 22:02 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:58 Jesushooves wrote:On November 28 2011 21:54 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:52 Jesushooves wrote:On November 28 2011 21:51 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:42 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:38 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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don't you fucking dare to say the b word bro. bonjwa, ? THERE YOU GO AGAIN! my god people know what the damn word means. wanna explain it to me? it means "shut the fuck up it will take you years to dethrone me" Eg:  sAviOr the only true Bonjwa Flash is different,he is god. We need a shorter term for "best player in the world currently" because way too much status has been put in a word that means nothing to anyone except Brood War diehards. Taking alternative word suggestions here on Team Liquid =P Bonjwa has a nice ring to it. It does, but Brood War fans get up in arms everysingletimeitcomesupinatopic because they've raised the term to a height that's actually unachievable anymore. So to stop wasteful posts of "bonjwa! / omg you dont know what the word means" which happens in every. single. goddam. thread....we need a new word... Ooooooor the broodwar diehards could just stop getting so pissy and accept that it means something else in a different game. That's so much bullshit. I didn't even play Brood War but it's so obvious that people like you that are relatively new to starcraft have no clue wtf you're talking about. It's a different game, okay. What the fuck does that have to do with overusing and misusing a word? It's still the same culture of gaming. There's a history to starcraft and people overusing the word bonjwa are ruining it. A word doesn't just change meaning because it's a new game, but it does change when people say it so much in the wrong context to the point that it has no meaning whatsoever. Leenock is a bonjwa!? Lol....there's nothing wrong with getting 'pissy' over stupidity.
Take it personally! Get mad!
No but really, this is what I'd prefer to avoid. Thanks for being my Skinner Box mouse =/
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Awww shitty that mvp lost.. next time Mvp!
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After watching all those games.....I don't even know what makes leenock's zvt good. He doesn't have the control of DRG, or any mind boggling strats of Nestea. He just kinda defended then would pull off 1 or 2 huge attacks to gain a significant advantage for the rest of the game.
MVP's multi-tasking stood out way more than anything leenock did in the series.
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On November 28 2011 21:59 SuperFanBoy wrote:
In mma or boxing if you lose to someone you lose your rank to them.. MVP has lost twice now to Leenock but he doesn't lose his rank as #1? I think most of you are in denial right now.. MVP was outplayed by Leenock in MLG and GSL.. lets face it.
a player with 1 MLG trophy to be rank #1? really?
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On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl
Man, trolling sure has low standards these days if you think he's a troll.
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On November 28 2011 21:59 Replice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:54 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:52 Jesushooves wrote:On November 28 2011 21:51 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:42 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:38 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:35 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Leenock is #1 in the world! Leenock will win this GSL, and the next 2 GSL's and claim bonjwa status! don't you fucking dare to say the b word bro. bonjwa, ? THERE YOU GO AGAIN! my god people know what the damn word means. wanna explain it to me? it means "shut the fuck up it will take you years to dethrone me" Eg: sAviOr the only true Bonjwa Flash is different,he is god. We need a shorter term for "best player in the world currently" because way too much status has been put in a word that means nothing to anyone except Brood War diehards. Taking alternative word suggestions here on Team Liquid =P Bonjwa has a nice ring to it. It does, but Brood War fans get up in arms everysingletimeitcomesupinatopic because they've raised the term to a height that's actually unachievable anymore. So to stop wasteful posts of "bonjwa! / omg you dont know what the word means" which happens in every. single. goddam. thread....we need a new word... No they havent, they only want it to mean what it actully does. A player how has been dominant over a long period of time, 1 year or longer. Up until now the only players who has been close to that is mvp, mc or nestea, and those still have a long time to go for it.
MC was not even close to being dominant. He did well in the early stages of the game when the balance was rough and the understanding of the game was even worse. Nestea has had a great run but he has also had a lot of inconsistency lately which is troublesome. MVP is the only "close" one but he has been dethroned several times in the past year. Sure he regains it but he almost always has a player gunning for him. Until someone can come along and not just win but completely break the damn game we have no right to call anyone a Bonjwa. Starcraft 2 doesn't need one and we shouldn't be eager to force one, but should an unstoppable force arise, we will crown him when the time is appropriate.
So for now can we just be happy with trying to call players the best zerg/terran/toss in the world?
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On November 28 2011 22:07 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Man, trolling sure has low standards these days if you think he's a troll.
He's not a troll, he is just a person with an opinion that no one else agrees with.
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On November 28 2011 22:03 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:54 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:52 Jesushooves wrote:On November 28 2011 21:51 bittman wrote:On November 28 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:42 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:38 zaii wrote:On November 28 2011 21:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 28 2011 21:35 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Leenock is #1 in the world! Leenock will win this GSL, and the next 2 GSL's and claim bonjwa status! don't you fucking dare to say the b word bro. bonjwa, ? THERE YOU GO AGAIN! my god people know what the damn word means. wanna explain it to me? it means "shut the fuck up it will take you years to dethrone me" Eg: sAviOr the only true Bonjwa Flash is different,he is god. We need a shorter term for "best player in the world currently" because way too much status has been put in a word that means nothing to anyone except Brood War diehards. Taking alternative word suggestions here on Team Liquid =P Bonjwa has a nice ring to it. It does, but Brood War fans get up in arms everysingletimeitcomesupinatopic because they've raised the term to a height that's actually unachievable anymore. So to stop wasteful posts of "bonjwa! / omg you dont know what the word means" which happens in every. single. goddam. thread....we need a new word... I know it's only a joke, but I really like the feel of Banjo :p
Banjo = Haypro
But we really shouldn't be discussing the term bonjwa anyway, because no player has ever looked near dominant enough. The only player who had such a term close was MVP and he blew it last GSL with this GSL just adding to that. Leenock is starting to look like the player to beat, but with Protoss becoming stronger who knows what might happen?
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I think BW fans misused the word bonjwa as well. An etymologist would probably shit a brick if they saw how the word evolved.
Originally used as a nickname for JulyZerg. So his nickname is bonjwa, but he's not a bonjwa. What??? Not established in the time of Boxer, oov, or Nada. Retroactively applied after savior's rise. Even more WHAT???
Even the way it is used now, its kinda demeaning to older players because it kind of implies they didn't have as strong of competition back in the times of boxer, oov, nada, or savior
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On November 28 2011 22:05 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Quite a successful one it would seem. If people starts reading the name of the posters they are responding to maybe this wouldn't be the case.
Troll? If you read my posts you would know I've been a Leenock for a long time, and i'm quite disgusted over all the MVP nuthuggers not giving Leenock the credit he deserves.
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On November 28 2011 22:05 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:57 Rikke wrote:On November 28 2011 21:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 28 2011 21:36 Grovbolle wrote:
0-2 liquibet T.T same Who was so stupid to bet on Oz? -_- Oz is a beast dude.... like BEAST!!! But he fell short tonight
Oz started GSL November like a shining star but ended it as a lump of coal. Not quite sure what happened to the kid over the past weeks.
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On November 28 2011 21:57 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:49 MrCon wrote:
We can expect a lot of 2 raxes by Bonjwakji imo.
Hope Leenock can train with MKP or sC because as good as his overall play is, his early game defense usually is not on par with the rest of his play. I really hope by early game you mean just bunker rushes? Because I have never, I mean never seen Leenock outright die to hellion harrass which is the most common. Or any other early game timing. I mean fuck that he even shut down mvps proxies. Infact I remember the slayers guys coming out with the marine hellion drop timing that got crushed so hard they stopped doing it. They did it to other players really well and even transitioned to that mass BFH mm style that he destroyed so royally the first time it was used in the GSL iirc, it went out of style faster than the latest smartphone.
Yeah bunker rushes. The thing is he some times dies (by die %I mean just lose the hatch, even if the game is not over) to simple one rax pressure. A hard 11/11 with 2-4 scv pulled could hurt him a lot, and I'm sure bonjwakji will do some of those.
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On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl
reminds me of SuperArc,congrats to SuperFanBoy to be the first of many to come(sigh) to the SuperArc stage of fanboyism.
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On November 28 2011 22:06 Tachion wrote:
After watching all those games.....I don't even know what makes leenock's zvt good. He doesn't have the control of DRG, or any mind boggling strats of Nestea. He just kinda defended then would pull off 1 or 2 huge attacks to gain a significant advantage for the rest of the game.
MVP's multi-tasking stood out way more than anything leenock did in the series.
It's his insane gamesense to kinda know what MVP was doing before he even did it. DH spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +Watch DRG vs Puma game 3 to know what I mean - DRG might have godly control, but he just died to a random timing attack. Leenock plays zerg how it's meant to be played. Survive everything that gets thrown at you, then move out and crush.
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On November 28 2011 22:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:07 Maesy wrote:On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Man, trolling sure has low standards these days if you think he's a troll. He's not a troll, he is just a person with an opinion that no one else agrees with.
Hahahaha, love the definition =D
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On November 28 2011 22:08 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:05 gruff wrote:On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Quite a successful one it would seem. If people starts reading the name of the posters they are responding to maybe this wouldn't be the case. Troll? If you read my posts you would know I've been a Leenock for a long time, and i'm quite disgusted over all the MVP nuthuggers not giving Leenock the credit he deserves.
Leenock won the series, that's great. He is obviously very talented to take out MVP in a bo5. No he is not the best player, sorry but it just does not happen like that. Move on because you're not going to convince anyone.
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On November 28 2011 22:07 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:03 SolidMustard wrote:
SuperFanBoy is such a troll, rofl Man, trolling sure has low standards these days if you think he's a troll.
I'm sure he doesn't believe what he says himself he just wants to set the LR thread on fire calling Leenock better than Mvp. Pretty much the definition of the troll
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