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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
November 26 2011 14:33 GMT
#2401
On November 26 2011 23:30 AxionSteel wrote:
how can you not have a robo at that stage


Playing risky is what got Seiplo here. I'm glad it backfired at some point
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2402
Wooo more TLO Sheth love!
Seriously what happened to TB and Apollo?
(not complaining, am just curious)
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
DoubleDouble
Profile Joined August 2011
United States106 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2403
On November 26 2011 23:33 Weson wrote:
Seiplo deserved to win that. Well he will win the next 2 if he plays as good as he did in the 1st one.


how did he deserve to win? hero defended against his dt's, played from behind, and took advantage of seiplo having no robo with good scouting.
rakoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece55 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2404
TLO is actually very good at this!
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2405
On November 26 2011 23:31 akalarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:27 mordk wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:25 Azarkon wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:18 deathzz wrote:
well to be fair to puma(even though i dont rly like his style), let's decide whether he is a top 5 or not a top 5 terran after he gets in the gsl since he got a seeding together with idra right? as of now comparing gsl accomplishments with mlg/hsc/dh/wadever wun cut it.


What's funny is that people say that GSL > foreign tournaments because they involve a lot of player specific preparation, yet bash a player because he can't get into Code A. Do people realize what kind of tournament the Code A qualifier is...?

Yeah well, that's true, but pretty much every good player has managed to qualify. It's hell in that qualifier, but good players have managed to consistently overcome hell.


we don't even know how many times puma has tried to qualify for the gsl. for all we know as of now, he's only tried to qualify for the most recent one. losing one best of 3 to a top 30 gm zerg is nothing to be ashamed about.

which is why i say wait for him get into gsl and let him prove himself whether is he dat good or just average before deciding
Korean overlords
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 14:35:09
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2406
On November 26 2011 23:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:31 Nick3 wrote:
Outplaying Hero and losing because of stupid decision to not get any detection. Why does so many toss fail with that?


At what point did he outplay Hero? He got ahead via DTs and lost to DTs. Hero didn't die to DTs, Seiplo did. Who got outplayed?


He had more workers and more units in a matchup where it's very hard to pull ahead of your opponent, and the DT put him into a winning position.

That's called outplaying.

Not placing a robo when being so far ahead was his single mistake.

One mistake doesn't mean you didn't outplay someone., win or lose.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2407
I know we all like to see underdog do well but this bias is really something else.

Seiplo goes DT against robo tech and gets lucky -> wow Seiplo is so smart!

HerO sees that Seiplo has no detection and goes robo and kills Seiplo -> wow Seiplo is so unlucky!
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2408
On November 26 2011 23:31 Zath.erin wrote:
I don't know how they can say HerO was lucky when he scouted the lack of detection then went DT's.


because it takes a long time to build a shrine and if they get forge for ups or a robo dt shrine puts you further behind so somewhat luck based, its also 5 less stalkers in gas to go dt later which is risky when the other guy has blink
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2409
Hero won because he played safer. Seiplo had the advantage for a while because he played risky
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2410
On November 26 2011 23:34 DoubleDouble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:33 Weson wrote:
Seiplo deserved to win that. Well he will win the next 2 if he plays as good as he did in the 1st one.


how did he deserve to win? hero defended against his dt's, played from behind, and took advantage of seiplo having no robo with good scouting.

He's obviously biased.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
November 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#2411
DHTV2 is unwatchable for me :/
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2412
On November 26 2011 23:34 NHY wrote:
I know we all like to see underdog do well but this bias is really something else.

Seiplo goes DT against robo tech and gets lucky -> wow Seiplo is so smart!

HerO sees that Seiplo has no detection and goes robo and kills Seiplo -> wow Seiplo is so unlucky!


because the timing matters
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2413
On November 26 2011 23:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:31 Nick3 wrote:
Outplaying Hero and losing because of stupid decision to not get any detection. Why does so many toss fail with that?


At what point did he outplay Hero? He got ahead via DTs and lost to DTs. Hero didn't die to DTs, Seiplo did. Who got outplayed?


QFT.

Plus, Hero made a calculated risk by having an observer over Seiplo whereas Seiplo took more of a blind risk and hoped Hero didn't already have an observer.
Gameplay > Personality
HallBregg
Profile Joined November 2010
134 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2414
Is this just me,or the games in this tournament are being pretty bad?
proves and pilons
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2415
On November 26 2011 23:33 Weson wrote:
Seiplo deserved to win that. Well he will win the next 2 if he plays as good as he did in the 1st one.


No. People don't DESERVE to win. They either do, or don't. Seiplo played a great game and I agree that he outclassed HerO in a lot of aspects but HerO did read him and the situation like a book and took his only chance to come back, it worked. So tell me why exactly Seiplo did deserve the win then?

Its stupid to say I'm sorry. There's no such thing as deserving things in eSports and 1v1.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2416
On November 26 2011 23:31 Lakai wrote:
What are they talking about hero being lucky... it's well known that going DT after your opponent rushes it is actually a nice meta-game maneuver.


Hero was lucky because Seiplo should have had some kind of detection, it is either a pretty amateurish mistake or a choice that is very risky. Either way, a top player like Seiplo should have had detection, and he didn't, and that gives Hero a lucky win after initially being outplayed because Seiplo choose to play incredibly risky.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2417
On November 26 2011 23:34 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On November 26 2011 23:31 Nick3 wrote:
Outplaying Hero and losing because of stupid decision to not get any detection. Why does so many toss fail with that?


At what point did he outplay Hero? He got ahead via DTs and lost to DTs. Hero didn't die to DTs, Seiplo did. Who got outplayed?


He had more workers and more units in a matchup where it's very hard to pull ahead of your opponent, and the DT put him into a winning position.

That's called outplaying.

Not being a robo when being so far ahead was his single mistake.

One mistake doesn't mean you didn't outplay someone., win or lose.


But he had more workers cause of the kills of his DTs now? And hero caught up in workers anyways.

So how is hero winning with his DTs lucky but seiplo getting ahead with his DTs outplaying?

methoD.
Profile Joined January 2011
48 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2418
On November 26 2011 23:34 NHY wrote:
I know we all like to see underdog do well but this bias is really something else.

Seiplo goes DT against robo tech and gets lucky -> wow Seiplo is so smart!

HerO sees that Seiplo has no detection and goes robo and kills Seiplo -> wow Seiplo is so unlucky!


indeed, such brilliant Decision making from HerO
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2419
Ret has such a huge advantage
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
November 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#2420
It's not like puma can't improve and is forever stuck in "own foreigners lose vs koreans guy" he did beat bomber and losira and some more koreans in providence I can't recall. -_-a
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