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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:

- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.

Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
November 21 2011 01:56 GMT
#16081
On November 21 2011 10:55 s3183529 wrote:
Leenock is expanding, gosh, people whine too much, that's not cheese.

It is cheese. If it fails, especially on this map where you can't take a quick third, the Protoss is significantly further ahead and will take the win minutes later unless something insane happens.
King[Neikos]
Profile Joined September 2010
Costa Rica506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 01:57:43
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16082
On November 21 2011 10:51 bkrow wrote:
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On November 21 2011 10:49 Dfgj wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:48 bkrow wrote:
So many low post count users whining about cheese who fail to recognise that it is a direct response to Nani's predictable opening.

Stop being so damn ignorant about the game!

Winning a game doesn't mean it was enjoyable to watch for people.

Yes but winning the way Leenock is winning doesn't mean he is a terrible player; in fact what he is doing proves that he is an intelligent player that has really thought about his strategies

I get that the games aren't entertaining, but appreciate the strategy and mind games behind it



Not that i need to say it, but what its going on its not strategy and mind games, its just "oh god I can't beat him at long game" which transitioned intro "let's try a cheese" which then transitioned into "omg the cheese won, lets keep cheesing", be it that he wins, whatever, do it, that doesn't mean that there is any mind games or strategy behind it, cheese exist because its effective against anything that doesn't prepare for it, and if you prepare and your opponent does not cheese then you are behind and practically forced to all in yourself.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16083
Okay, I think that Naniwa deserved this loss; having no strategic depth whatsoever is very bad because it opens you to easy counters like these. There is no "perfect" build in SC 2 - every build has its strengths and weaknesses, and a truly great player will have many different builds in his arsenal for different situations.

I guess foreigners are still behind, in that respect.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16084
On November 21 2011 10:56 Aristodemus wrote:
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On November 21 2011 10:55 Teim wrote:
You can't go into a potential Bo7 with only one build. It's that simple.

Yeah you can, 7RR

nah, he also 6 pooled.

joking aside, dont discredit leenock, hes played amazingly today.
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16085
geez leenock is relentless. Amazing Z in the making
to live is to suffer
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16086
I thought Naniwa was extremely solid, but actually, that was because he had only one opening in his book, refined to the max, but with a single huge big flaw.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16087
actually i take that back..he punishes the FFE then goes back to having a advantage with a macro game..i like it.
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16088
What is Nani doing? Trying to 4gate this late
MLG Admin | Astro.631 NA
JamazVu
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru77 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16089
Nydus Leenock pls!!!!
sodapop
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden189 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16090
Meh, worst final ever. Naniwa playing the same build every time. Leenock (cleverly) cheesing every time.

It's sad for both players. Leenock just looks mediocre (but at least smart), and Naniwa stupid (but at least he looks skilled).
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16091
On November 21 2011 10:56 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 10:55 Teim wrote:
You can't go into a potential Bo7 with only one build. It's that simple.

Yeah you can, 7RR


Haha, good one! Wp sir :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Troopi
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark383 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16092
Mods can basically ban everybody who posted on the last 100 pages. Stop complaining about Leenock trying to win games. (50k$ y know...).

For myself these finals are exciting as hell
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16093
On November 21 2011 10:56 Krallman wrote:
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On November 21 2011 10:55 rutian wrote:
i would like to see Naniwa win, but Leenock was great in this tournament. Gratz kid.


He didnt deserve it at all


Obvious Swedish bias
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16094
On November 21 2011 10:55 Sabu113 wrote:
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On November 21 2011 10:53 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:52 Skullflower wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:51 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:49 Witten wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:48 PinaryB wrote:
On November 21 2011 10:48 Bagration wrote:
FXO zergs are so cheesy. Lucky and Leenock do almost nothing but all ins. I just do not see why so many people are cheering for him. Because he is 16?

he beat mvp in a macro game, should be enoghh


This is the cheesiest I've ever seen Leenock play. Please watch other Leenock games before assuming roach rush when you only see 1 series. He played standard versus DRG and in all his Code S games this season.

Also he beat Nada with a 6pool.



Yup he's playing the PLAYER!

He has a good handle on Nani. Nani HAS to switch it up or else this is ALLLLL OVER!


Naniwa is like the Protoss Idra where he's super predictable. Leenock is just punishing that fact and it's clearly paying off.



YUP, about to be all she WROTE! BOOM!


Ok geniuses. What opening is better? 1-3gate expo? We saw how that got crushed for Huk. Problem is the mappool. The map pool was originally designed to advance zergs. After the tweak the open nats weren't also taken into account.

blargh. GSLesque final.


You cannot be a one trick pony on every map sir. Not to say that Nani is, but his openings in this series, let alone his zvp over the weekend has opened with FFE more times than not.

First game he held Lee off fine. You have to make small adjustments on the fly.
Attilanator
Profile Joined March 2011
United States154 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16095
I'm confused, with extended series, why didn't nani start up 2 games? Isn't that how double elim is supposed to work?
MC | HuK | TLO |WhiteRa | Tyler | DIMAGA | Naniwa | Boxer | Strelok | HerO Hwaiting!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16096
On November 21 2011 10:55 Shurayuki wrote:
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On November 21 2011 10:54 taLbuk wrote:
Stop blaming Leenock for perfectly punishing Naniwas FFE, you guys are embarrassing the game of starcraft.


again, did you guys not read the first 700 pages or something ♥

You shouldn't repeat other people's retardedness. If they couldn't see that nani was crushing zergs because their BOs sucked then that's their mistake, there was nothing wrong with what nani did, just as there's nothing wrong with what leenock's doing.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16097
On November 21 2011 10:56 Dragonmaster26 wrote:
So much for the 'best' Protoss in the world with the 'best' PvZ


People were saying that about nani?_?
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16098
On November 21 2011 10:56 FeyFey wrote:
okay he doesn't even care anymore. Boring finals, and the people screaming Leenock are at fault in the audience! demotivated Naniwa =( . Hope he can come back, want a protoss to win


What a shame that the crowd are cheering for the player they want to win...
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16099
Leenock showing retards what has been obvious for 6 months which is that FFE openings in SC2 are not safe and ceding the expansion to the Protoss isn't necessarily smart.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
November 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#16100
Well played by Leenock. Hate it when the Koreans win
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