On November 14 2011 20:08 Plexa wrote: [quote] isn't he former wc3 pro?
How is that relevant?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
Eh? I'd say the same thing if people said idra was eliminated because of nerves. I think you have a bone to pick with me/TL for some reason you've been harping on about it all night!
Please address my first point if you want to have a leg to stand on.
I dont see people being hammered down for it. Care to link me to some bans/warnings?
On November 14 2011 20:18 Sc2Null wrote: 1 game away from never having to see hongun again lol..shame for a 2-time semi-finalist
It's a long time coming, Ensnare and HongUn out in the same GSL? Thank you GOMTV
that's the plus about this system, but if mkp and drg get knocked out then fuck this
They can always get back through MLG
Id rather not bet on that, Providence is absurdly stacked and you need to be top 3 which isnt exactly easy. Yea sure MMA and MC made it but still. Its not something Id bank on.
It's not something to bank on, but they can do it if they fail the quals for code A
On November 14 2011 20:07 demonik187 wrote: Sase will be so much better when he gets his nerves under control.
isn't he former wc3 pro?
How is that relevant?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
How dare the TL staff have opinions and participate in LR threads! They are all supposed to be robots that silently watch over us, right!?!?
On November 14 2011 20:07 demonik187 wrote: Sase will be so much better when he gets his nerves under control.
isn't he former wc3 pro?
How is that relevant?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
Eh? I'd say the same thing if people said idra was eliminated because of nerves. I think you have a bone to pick with me/TL for some reason you've been harping on about it all night!
Yeah, for the most part, every time I see an admin like you talking in a thread, yall argue about a topic and debate, but yall do it the correct way. People dont understand the difference between saying 'I think BW pros are more prepared than WC3 pros because x, y, z, and this factors x and z more than w. and i understand WC3 pros have w but w isnt worth as much' and 'No, youre fucking retarded WC3 is a different game, so you have to be mentally retarded to think they can be better than bw pros at sc2. gtfo silver league'
On November 14 2011 20:08 Plexa wrote: [quote] isn't he former wc3 pro?
How is that relevant?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
Eh? I'd say the same thing if people said idra was eliminated because of nerves. I think you have a bone to pick with me/TL for some reason you've been harping on about it all night!
Please address my first point if you want to have a leg to stand on.
There are 2 streams, and they were watching the ForGG one, and as always the games are discussed after the game is over. They were just answering someone who questioned who was the best BW Pro to switch in terms of recent performances
Is this your first time here? If so welcome. If not, you really should know this by now
On November 14 2011 20:11 kaetor wrote: Ahh he had a lot of time before JYP's blink was done, probaly should have made the most of that! Though he was pretty much screwed because of the choke anyway.
JYP is one of the better Koreans, so not too bad losing to him. Think Naniwa has a good chance of advancing, though it seems like foreigners never play up to standard vs Koreans.
Or maybe Koreans usually play better than foreigners, and foreigners keep using excuses instead of getting better.
Only Huk and Idra can hang with Koreans these days and the results prove it.
*Cough* Stephano *Cough* ^.^
Sigh, wait till Stephano competes in Korea, and people like to gloss over the fact that Stephano didn't make it very far at all at MLG orlando
Got knocked out by Boxer no less.
I have nothing against Stephano I actually like his play a lot, but his fans rival Idra's in fanatic devotion.
Same, I like his quirky play but the level of fanaticism that follows him is obscene sometimes
Right now it seems it's the opposite side that is fanatic. The question wasn't "is Stephano the best zerg in the world", it was "can Stephano hang with the Koreans?". Anyone who right answers no to that question isn't being fair.
I never said that though, or anything close to that... I do feel he can, but just let him get to Korea, or if he makes a deep run through a fair amount of Koreans at Providence.
On November 14 2011 20:11 kaetor wrote: Ahh he had a lot of time before JYP's blink was done, probaly should have made the most of that! Though he was pretty much screwed because of the choke anyway.
JYP is one of the better Koreans, so not too bad losing to him. Think Naniwa has a good chance of advancing, though it seems like foreigners never play up to standard vs Koreans.
Or maybe Koreans usually play better than foreigners, and foreigners keep using excuses instead of getting better.
Only Huk and Idra can hang with Koreans these days and the results prove it.
*Cough* Stephano *Cough* ^.^
Sigh, wait till Stephano competes in Korea, and people like to gloss over the fact that Stephano didn't make it very far at all at MLG orlando
lol?
he came from the open bracket and got that far. the amount of Bo3 he won in a row is amazing, and you say that? wowwoow
Sigh again, another fanatic. How many notable players did he beat? Players have come out of the open bracket and had much better showings, ones that comes off the top of my head? Ganzi, SaSe, MKP
Sigh anotzher US citizen whose only goal is it to downplay Stephano. Get over it this guy IS good, he beat your beloved huk 2-0 and several koreans (marineking, mma etc.) in his last tournaments. Just stop it, you are only biased because you dont like that europeans are hyping him, but you are not better at all, because you are downplaying him just because he gets hyped, that is just a stupid reason
On November 14 2011 20:07 demonik187 wrote: Sase will be so much better when he gets his nerves under control.
isn't he former wc3 pro?
How is that relevant?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
How dare the TL staff have opinions and participate in LR threads! They are all supposed to be robots that silently watch over us, right!?!?
I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
Eh? I'd say the same thing if people said idra was eliminated because of nerves. I think you have a bone to pick with me/TL for some reason you've been harping on about it all night!
Please address my first point if you want to have a leg to stand on.
I dont see people being hammered down for it. Care to link me to some bans/warnings?
Irrelevant discussion - usually balance related - results in banning holocausts usually.
On November 14 2011 20:11 Plexa wrote: [quote] I was under the impression progamers (of all games) had most of their nerve issues solved if they were famous enough to be known?
Not even close the truth!
Counterexample?
you watched BW, do I really have to?
I remember first TV game chokes and finals chokes; not usually qualifier chokes? Note that I said 'most nerve issues'. Perhaps the poster before me is correct in saying that sase isn't comfortable in this environment.
This whole thread tonight is an exercise in hypocrisy. TL admins participating in extensive debate about who was a better BW player out of forGG/MVP when MVP isn't even playing, all while the next game is going on in a LR thread. Irrelevant discussion like that is usually hammered down with impunity. I'll pretend that the comment about Sase isn't the typical BW elitist attitude for the minute, but do note the success of foreign W3 players vs foreign SC2 players.
Eh? I'd say the same thing if people said idra was eliminated because of nerves. I think you have a bone to pick with me/TL for some reason you've been harping on about it all night!
Please address my first point if you want to have a leg to stand on.
I dont see people being hammered down for it. Care to link me to some bans/warnings?
Irrelevant discussion - usually balance related - results in banning holocausts usually.
It was relevant, it wasn't about balance. Therefore.....your point?
i hate hearing all these foreigners "not playing their best" against koreans. can we just up and admit that even at their best, the vast majority of foreigners are not up to korean standards?
you've been harping on about it all night!
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