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The time has come for our twelfth IGN Pro League Team Arena! This is a (follow closely) weekly winner's format team king of the hill showmatch series. For better clarification, check out our IPL Team Arena General Discussion thread!
When: Friday, Nov 11 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Nov 11 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Prizes
The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9) will earn $500 for their team to split however they want. To make things even more interesting, we are including a $100 bounty for each victory that a team earns, for new challengers to try and claim. For example, if a team wins 3 weeks in a row, they will have earned themselves $1,500 total, and have $300 worth of bounty on them. If a new team defeats them, they will earn the $500 for winning the week, as well as claim the $300 bounty.
SlayerS is the fourth team to win the IPL Team Arena, and they have earned themselves $1,500 and a $300 bounty on their heads. Alternate Attax has international superstars on the team that are perfectly capable of defeating the best players in the world. However, because they have only 4 full-time members, they have been permitted to use another approved player of their choosing. Here are their full rosters:
Alternate Attax Socke  Cloud  DarKFoRcE Delphi ESC.GoOdy as a specially approved 5th player SlayerS BoxeR Lots Dragon GanZi MMA Ryung TaeJa Cella YuGiOh Golden Min CoCa Alicia Brown Crank Puzzle
New teams will be invited each week to take on the previous week's winner.
The First Match of the IPL Team Arena is on Friday, Nov 11 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Nov 11 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Poll: Who Will Win?!SlayerS (164) 78% Alternate Attax (45) 22% 209 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): SlayerS
(Vote): Alternate Attax
Results!+ Show Spoiler [SlayerS vs. Alternate Attax Results] +Golden < Tal'Darim > Socke
Golden < Shakuras Plateau > ClouD
Golden < Antiga Shipyard > ESC.GoOdy
Golden < Crevasse > DarKFoRcE
Golden < Xel'Naga Fortress > Delphi
Congratulations to SlayerS`Golden on the all-kill of aTn! SlayerS improves to 4-0!
Map List
Xel'Naga Caverns
Metalopolis
Shakuras Plateau
Crevasse
Tal Darim Altar
Dual Sight
Xel'Naga Fortress
Terminus
Shattered Temple
Daybreak
Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
We have already invited several teams and have more in mind, but if you would like your team to be considered for the IPL Team Arena as well, please send a letter of interest as well as a description of your team and a roster to iplquestions@ign.com!
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aTn has got a strong lineup, but this is Slayers we are talking about, arguably the best team in the world.
Hopefully Slayers does not get overconfident and underestimate aTn though, otherwise relatively easy Slayers win.
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Slayers vs. atn:
min > Cloud
min > Socke
min > Delphi
min > Darkforce
min < Goody
Alicia < Goody
Golden < Goody
Lots < Goody
Ryung < Goody
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!
:D
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Our euro underdog has my full support but sadly I still think that slayers is going to win 
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should be fun matches, ill definately watch the eu rebroadcast. Man Slayers has such a scary lineup they can send out at least 10 really top class koreans.
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SlayerS will soon have a $400 bounty on their heads.
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This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time?
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Lots>Delphi
Lots>Darkforce
Lots> Cloud
Lots> Goody
Lots> Socke
I'm only kinda kidding. :D.
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lol atn wins.
They have GoOdy there to mop up any terrans, turtle zerg and mindfuck any protoss.
Seriously though Goody vs Terran is completely onesided, even if it is SlayerS terrans.
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On November 10 2011 04:58 Olinimm wrote:
Lots>Delphi
Lots>Darkforce
Lots> Cloud
Lots> Goody
Lots> Socke
I'm only kinda kidding. :D.
This made me laugh pretty hard 
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Oh man SlayerS are going to wreck face in this matchup... They have such a sick player pool.
Lol Goody?
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wow
i am really looking forward to this, i hope atn can win some
and i really really hope goody will make a splash
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On November 10 2011 04:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time?
I don't see aTn worse than Liquid or Acer.
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On November 10 2011 05:12 Tigi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 04:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time? I don't see aTn worse than Liquid or Acer.
I see them as about equal to Acer, and Acer lost to a single player (and not one of SlayerS's best).
I'm thinking 5-1.
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panzer general rollinngg! :D
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Either 5-0 or 5-1. World class team against a non-world class team. Simple as that really.
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Since mech has gained popularity in both tvt and tvz, and korean terrans do it better than Goody, I only see him beating a protoss, who might not be used to his style. Darkforce and Delphi have a slight chance against the weaker slayers players, although Delphi only in ZvZ. Cloud might pull through with an upset but its not very likely. The only player who MIGHT take out more than one Slayer is Socke, if he is playing at an SCI level.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Panzer all kill incoming.
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Slayers can only hope Goody has a bad day
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hope for boxer v goody... boxer has no idea what goody is doing lol
most likely brown all kill though
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I don't know if all the Goody posts are trolling or loving...
Hopefully Goody plays well? o.O
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On November 10 2011 05:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I don't know if all the Goody posts are trolling or loving...
Hopefully Goody plays well? o.O
we all know this is going to be a 5-0, might as well have fun with it.
they see me meching~ they hating~
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How the hell did ATN get 12 votes? Are people just trying to go against the curve?
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On November 10 2011 05:43 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
How the hell did ATN get 12 votes? Are people just trying to go against the curve?
in Goody we trust
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I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_>
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On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_>
they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS.
i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams.
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On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams.
They should host a Team Arena titled Slayers vs the World ala GSL's WC Korea vs the World. lol
An upset is certainly possible, but it is very unlikely.
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Well unless there is a major fuckup, Slayers will take this -.-
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I hate that they invited SlayerS the best team in the world and now no one has a chance against them.
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On November 10 2011 05:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:12 Tigi wrote:On November 10 2011 04:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time? I don't see aTn worse than Liquid or Acer. I see them as about equal to Acer, and Acer lost to a single player (and not one of SlayerS's best). I'm thinking 5-1.
Acer had Paranoid and Mondragon who don't achieve anything even in europe.
In aTn every player has at least a shot, especially if Slayers is doesnt field their star players like we expect.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I was wondering who aTn's fifth was going to be. Words cannot describe the feeling I have inside knowing that it's GoOdy.
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On November 10 2011 06:02 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 10 2011 05:12 Tigi wrote:On November 10 2011 04:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time? I don't see aTn worse than Liquid or Acer. I see them as about equal to Acer, and Acer lost to a single player (and not one of SlayerS's best). I'm thinking 5-1. Acer had Paranoid and Mondragon who don't achieve anything even in europe. In aTn every player has at least a shot, especially if Slayers is doesnt field their star players like we expect.
What do you mean by *have a shot*?
They have a non-zero probability of winning, sure. But so did Paranoid and Mondragon (and so would a gold player).
But realistically, I don't see Cloud or Delphi doing well (although it is just a best of one each, so maybe they could pull off some slick cheesy shit).
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@ DarkPlasmaBall: Realistically, I don't see anyone doing well, naturally, SlayerS is the favorite in every matchup.
Regarding Cloud, he beat Thorzain recently (at ESWC I believe), I think he won't be completely without hope.
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On November 10 2011 04:54 halvorg wrote:
Slayers vs. atn:
min > Cloud
min > Socke
min > Delphi
min > Darkforce
min < Goody
Alicia < Goody
Golden < Goody
Lots < Goody
Ryung < Goody
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!
:D
Dont worry, goody will mech it happen.
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Wheeee Goody!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can see atn getting a few games, but I don't really see them winning.
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France12761 Posts
On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams.
They can invite Stephano team, it's Stephano with 5 lives. Would be hard for SlayerS
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This is the type of matchup that would have 1000:1 odds and where you bet $100 smackers on ATN in the hopes a miracle occurs. I do hope they have some interesting games, but I just don't see them winning it in the end. Slayers in 5 games.
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Yeah, I think SlayerS is going to take this easy
I say SlayerS 5-2 victory
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they should really invite millenium next if slayers wins... would love to see stephano against some of the code s players.
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On November 10 2011 06:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 06:02 00Visor wrote:On November 10 2011 05:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 10 2011 05:12 Tigi wrote:On November 10 2011 04:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This match is going to be lol.
Anyone think SlayerS is going to realistically lose a game this time? I don't see aTn worse than Liquid or Acer. I see them as about equal to Acer, and Acer lost to a single player (and not one of SlayerS's best). I'm thinking 5-1. Acer had Paranoid and Mondragon who don't achieve anything even in europe. In aTn every player has at least a shot, especially if Slayers is doesnt field their star players like we expect. What do you mean by *have a shot*? They have a non-zero probability of winning, sure. But so did Paranoid and Mondragon (and so would a gold player). But realistically, I don't see Cloud or Delphi doing well (although it is just a best of one each, so maybe they could pull off some slick cheesy shit).
Cloud, Delphi are way better than Paranoid and Mondragon.
If you want everything mathematically, lets say Cloud has a 25% chance, Delphi 15%.
Paranoid and Mondragon are below 5%.
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Slayers sure has a lot of players must be cramped in that house.
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GoOdy will bring the pain to korea. The SlayerS terrans will all switch to Dota after they have played a TvT against GoOdy.
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as stated, if goody is playing well SlayerS is toast :D
As much as I hate the matchup, for educational purposes I wanna see one of the top SlayerS terrans play against GoOdy.
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On November 10 2011 06:42 amazingoopah wrote:
they should really invite millenium next if slayers wins... would love to see stephano against some of the code s players.
+ feast, adel etc as backup :D
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I will be so rooting for Alternate in this one!
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On November 10 2011 06:55 Ruscour wrote:
as stated, if goody is playing well SlayerS is toast :D
As much as I hate the matchup, for educational purposes I wanna see one of the top SlayerS terrans play against GoOdy.
i love the matchup and i too want to see KTvG
Korean Terran vs GoOdy is it's own matchup on it's own.
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There's no foreign team that's stacked enough to take down Slayers, the top foreigners are too spread around. Maybe EG has a slim (10%) chance and Millenium/Mousesports have an even slimmer chance (5%) but really I can't see Slayers losing ever.
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It's like sending lambs to the slaughter.
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On November 10 2011 07:17 Ryka wrote:
There's no foreign team that's stacked enough to take down Slayers, the top foreigners are too spread around. Maybe EG has a slim (10%) chance and Millenium/Mousesports have an even slimmer chance (5%) but really I can't see Slayers losing ever.
Yeah they should invite another Korean team, oGs would be a good choice since their matches with slayers were close. Would be cool if atn managed to win though so gl xD.
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On November 10 2011 07:19 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 07:17 Ryka wrote:
There's no foreign team that's stacked enough to take down Slayers, the top foreigners are too spread around. Maybe EG has a slim (10%) chance and Millenium/Mousesports have an even slimmer chance (5%) but really I can't see Slayers losing ever. Yeah they should invite another Korean team, oGs would be a good choice since their matches with slayers were close. Would be cool if atn managed to win though so gl xD.
I think that IM and SlayerS are the two best teams at the moment. A team tournament between those two would be amazing ^^
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Can you guys plz get a team that can somewhat challenge Slayers plzzz I love this team arena but really no point in watch when a 2nd tier slayers player is going to all kill
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I don't see any way Goody WON'T all kill slayers.
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If Goody loses, then Alternate is pretty much dead.
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My vague prediction:
Socke < Dragon
Goody > Dragon
Goody > Cella
Goody > Alicia
Goody > YuGiOh
Goody < MMA
Darkforce < MMA
Delphi < MMA
Cloud < MMA
Why? More details of my predictions. NOTE, THESE ARE NOT THE ACTUAL RESULTS:
Game 1 - SlayerS might play Dragon partially because they want to test the waters against aTn and partially because they're aware of what a Dragon circlejerk Reddit is and want to put on an entertaining show. Dragon may have inconsistent results but he is capable of taking on Socke, and littering SCReddit with 35,000 animated GIFs of his victory dance.
Game 2 - aTn picked GoOdY for a reason, because the guy is a fucking monster at Mech, and is the only professional with good results on such a style. Also, I believe he took out NesTea 2 - 1 in TSL3. Seeing that they're desperate to use him as they've already lost a game to a part-time SlayerS player, they send on the Panzer Terran. Dragon tries as he might but cannot break the frustrating clusterfuck of tanks, hellions, vikings and thors coming at his natural. He GG's and SCReddit explodes.
Game 3 - SlayerS would respond with Cella, another guy without consistent results but willing to put on a show, and also the successful coach of the SlayerS clan. It reaches the late game and a base trade scenario. Cella narrowly loses and ggs.
Game 4 - SlayerS realise that shit has just gotten real, and they field Alicia, the former Code S superstar protoss. Despite mech not really having much success vs Protoss, Goody does the unthinkable and accomplishes a TvP victory without using a single biological unit.
Game 5 - SlayerS look to YuGiOh to try and get them back into a good state of mind. Despite a few favourable engagements from YuGiOh, GoOdY sneaks a BFH drop and chars his drone line almost instantaneously, whilst seizing the opportunity to perform a 25 tank push on the weakened hivemind. GG.
Game 6 - Down 4 - 1, SlayerS look to their saviour, the one and only MMA. Despite a disappointing showing in this GSTL season, he's got his swagger back and beats back GoOdY as if he were almost nothing, avoiding the doom pushes entirely and multi-prong dropping ALL THE THINGS into his base in the midgame. The game turns into a base trade that MMA wins by a wide margin due to his 250 APM and the fact that tanks and hellions can't shoot upwards.
Game 7 - Having been denied an all-kill, aTn shit bricks as the Panzer Terran falls. They send out Darkforce, one of Germany's best Zerg players to combat the MMA threat. The result: MMA makes mince meat out of him by staying on the defensive to hold back his ling bane muta pushes and then doing what is possibly the first ever quintruple pronged drop in SC2 history. Darkforce quickly caves in and GGs as his hatcheries and drones melt from the horror of sheer marine drop pwnage.
Game 8 - Delphi is sent out to try and combat the MMA threat. Despite trying to maintain a huge macro style, MMA responds with drops everywhere. He holds it off better than Darkforce but still collapses within a matter of minutes.
Game 9 - Cloud is aTn's last resort. Both players open 1/1/1 and Cloud luckily picks off MMA's hellion drop before it even has a chance to land. Realising he is behind, MMA opts for a marine hellion SCV all in. Cloud picks it up and builds a bunker but SCV repairs on the hellions combined with marine firepower take out the bunker in the space of around 25 seconds while any SCVs coming to repair the bunker get toasted by hellion splash. GG.
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Go go GoOdy show'em what you got.
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This isn't even fair. SlayerS will absolutely slaughter.
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On November 10 2011 15:09 Greggle wrote:
This isn't even fair. SlayerS will absolutely slaughter.
Goody's tanks disagree...
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goody will play 2hour games until every slayers player is fall asleep and atn got w.o. xD
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anywhere vods from former events ?
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On November 10 2011 04:54 halvorg wrote:
Slayers vs. atn:
min > Cloud
min > Socke
min > Delphi
min > Darkforce
min < Goody
Alicia < Goody
Golden < Goody
Lots < Goody
Ryung < Goody
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!
:D
Games will last for 3 days. :p
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On November 10 2011 17:44 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 15:09 Greggle wrote:
This isn't even fair. SlayerS will absolutely slaughter. Goody's tanks disagree...
I disagree with Goody's tanks and hope they aren't actually serious. Goody's winrate isn't very impressive and and is the result primarily of games against second rate foreigners, not one of the two strongest teams in Korea.
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On November 11 2011 01:39 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 17:44 Frankon wrote:On November 10 2011 15:09 Greggle wrote:
This isn't even fair. SlayerS will absolutely slaughter. Goody's tanks disagree... I disagree with Goody's tanks and hope they aren't actually serious. Goody's winrate isn't very impressive and and is the result primarily of games against second rate foreigners, not one of the two strongest teams in Korea.
Second rate foreigner and NesTea:p
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Germany3367 Posts
Yeah, go aTn!
GoOdy Allkill - I believe!
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As crazy it would be to see a Goody all-kill, I just cannot see that happening unless it is against the B-team. Terran mech is pretty common in Korea, and many Slayers members have faced off against mech players like MVP (and won). Even MVP would have a long shot all-killing Slayers' A-team.
While Goody did beat Nestea, that was half a year ago and several Slayers members can say the same thing. Just to clarify, I am definitely not saying Goody is bad, but just that Slayers is too dominant.
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Extremely excited to see Goody vs code S terrans. Make it happen Slayers
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If Slayers Terrans can defeat Korean mechers, Goody should be a piece of cake. I just can't see him winning a TvT against any of the players.
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It is very possible SlayerS will not send out their strongest players, and instead give some of their up and coming players a chance to shine in the foreign scene and get some experience playing under pressure. If that happens, we could see some upset games, but the more seriously SlayerS takes this match, the less chance Alternate Attax has of winning
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On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams.
Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG.
// edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess.
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On November 11 2011 02:06 Micket wrote:
If Slayers Terrans can defeat Korean mechers, Goody should be a piece of cake. I just can't see him winning a TvT against any of the players.
GoOdy is just like the terran White-ra, nobody knows how he win, he just win.
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On November 11 2011 02:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Extremely excited to see Goody vs code S terrans. Make it happen Slayers
You can't possibly be serious. If SlayerS send out one of the code S terrans it'll be so one sided that it wont even be fun to watch... You should pray to god they send out the Code B guys so that your mysterious overestimation of Goody's skill doesn't take too much of a hit :<
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On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess.
They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill.
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France12761 Posts
On November 11 2011 02:23 iamlafore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Extremely excited to see Goody vs code S terrans. Make it happen Slayers You can't possibly be serious. If SlayerS send out one of the code S terrans it'll be so one sided that it wont even be fun to watch... You should pray to god they send out the Code B guys so that your mysterious overestimation of Goody's skill doesn't take too much of a hit :<
They are joking but it's a bit mean to make fun of Goody's mechanics :/.
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On November 11 2011 01:48 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:39 Greggle wrote:On November 10 2011 17:44 Frankon wrote:On November 10 2011 15:09 Greggle wrote:
This isn't even fair. SlayerS will absolutely slaughter. Goody's tanks disagree... I disagree with Goody's tanks and hope they aren't actually serious. Goody's winrate isn't very impressive and and is the result primarily of games against second rate foreigners, not one of the two strongest teams in Korea. Second rate foreigner and NesTea:p
It's a bad sign when his accomplishments are summarized by a single match half a year ago. I get it, someone using mech 100% of the time is exciting, but that doesn't bump him up the 3 or 4 tiers needed to carry a team against SlayerS.
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Goody cant even beat Code B Hack, and you expect him to all kill? LOL. I'm predicting a Lots or Ryung all kill.
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Haha its going to me Goody Meridian Time again :D
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On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess.
It's true Mouz came close, but Slayers still didn't feel like using MMA, Ganzi and Taeja in that match. They used 2 A teamers and 2 B teamers in that match whilst Mouz used their best lineup.
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On November 11 2011 02:25 MurtiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess. They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill.
I like Stephano's play style a lot, and I also believe he's incredibly good, but I don't think he could realistically all-kill five Code S players. If SlayerS send a B-team maybe, but that would be surprisingly foolish of them.
Also, Millenium is essentially a one-man team when it comes to competition on a Korean level, B-team or not. I'll watch Stephano any day in a solo tournament, but in a team league I'd rather see more developped rosters.
// edit @Micket : they used 3 Code S players actually. Lots was the only B-teamer they fielded. And MMA never plays before the ace match (it's a normal team strategy).
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On November 11 2011 03:19 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:25 MurtiBing wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess. They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill. I like Stephano's play style a lot, and I also believe he's incredibly good, but I don't think he could realistically all-kill five Code S players. If SlayerS send a B-team maybe, but that would be surprisingly foolish of them. Also, Millenium is essentially a one-man team when it comes to competition on a Korean level, B-team or not. I'll watch Stephano any day in a solo tournament, but in a team league I'd rather see more developped rosters. // edit @Micket : they used 3 Code S players actually. Lots was the only B-teamer they fielded. And MMA never plays before the ace match (it's a normal team strategy).
Your obviously right. I was refering th the fact that Millenium seem to be one of the few strong foreign teams that still didn't get a chance in IPL TA. And a match between Millenium and Slayers comes down to the (very little) all-kill chance that Stephano has [after I watched qxc vs IM I always believe].
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What do you guys all have with GoOdy ? I mean he's good and famous (i like him too), but he's getting by far the most attention of the aTn guys, while they're all at least as good as him and DF and Socke are easily better.
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I think this will be alot closer then ppl thinks..
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On November 11 2011 03:19 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:25 MurtiBing wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess. They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill. I like Stephano's play style a lot, and I also believe he's incredibly good, but I don't think he could realistically all-kill five Code S players. If SlayerS send a B-team maybe, but that would be surprisingly foolish of them. Also, Millenium is essentially a one-man team when it comes to competition on a Korean level, B-team or not. I'll watch Stephano any day in a solo tournament, but in a team league I'd rather see more developped rosters. // edit @Micket : they used 3 Code S players actually. Lots was the only B-teamer they fielded. And MMA never plays before the ace match (it's a normal team strategy).
The Slayers A team is Ryung, MMA, Ganzi, Taeja and Coca. There is no space for Puzzle on that team, unless they think he is better than Taeja (which he probably is based on current form.) In GSTL, Slayers fielded their 4 Terrans in most of the games.
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LOLWAT A mod cleared my message wtf.
So I will post my message again.
Why not just giftwrap the $500 to SlayerS?
It was a comment about the line-up that SlayerS is facing here. LEARN TO READ.
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Goody got this. He is even better the Clide and FXOTheBest.
I cant see anyone beating him.
Mech it happen.
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United Kingdom38150 Posts
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Don't quote him in case a mod edits or removes his comment.
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oh come on... as if it wasn't already a 100% sure thing. ooops i mean. goody all kill inc!
goody > ganzi
goody > puzzle
goody > taeja
goody > ryung
goody > mma
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You guys are getting worked up for nothing. I have not the all convo. It's possible that Stephano was mistaken. The thing i wanted to say is that Millenium is the next team in line.
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Edit: removed
Oh, SlayerS fighting! I hope for a good fight from Atn though.
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On November 11 2011 05:21 Pholon wrote:
What the fuck people
Sadly the damage had been done....
Quoting Lord Nelson
+ Show Spoiler +“treat every frenchman as if he was the devil himself”
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Mean Pholon is mean. I did put it in spoilers afterwards and I still get warned for this. QQ
Carebears are meanies.
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This is going to be great... Can't wait to see the line up. Hope for good games by all.
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On November 11 2011 04:33 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 03:19 Apom wrote:On November 11 2011 02:25 MurtiBing wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess. They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill. I like Stephano's play style a lot, and I also believe he's incredibly good, but I don't think he could realistically all-kill five Code S players. If SlayerS send a B-team maybe, but that would be surprisingly foolish of them. Also, Millenium is essentially a one-man team when it comes to competition on a Korean level, B-team or not. I'll watch Stephano any day in a solo tournament, but in a team league I'd rather see more developped rosters. // edit @Micket : they used 3 Code S players actually. Lots was the only B-teamer they fielded. And MMA never plays before the ace match (it's a normal team strategy). The Slayers A team is Ryung, MMA, Ganzi, Taeja and Coca. There is no space for Puzzle on that team, unless they think he is better than Taeja (which he probably is based on current form.) In GSTL, Slayers fielded their 4 Terrans in most of the games.
Well, if what you mean by "A team" is the absolute best five players, then yes. But to me, switching a code S player who is not MMA for another code S player does not downgrade the team to B-team. If it does, then SlayerS vs Liquid was not the B-team, it was the J-team or something in that area ^_^
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On November 11 2011 04:33 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 03:19 Apom wrote:On November 11 2011 02:25 MurtiBing wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 Apom wrote:On November 10 2011 05:51 Gamegene wrote:On November 10 2011 05:48 Bobster wrote:
I also like that IPL invited a team with 4 players. >_> they're eventually going to have to hire an all stars foreigner team comprised of IdrA HuK Ret HerO Thorzain SeleCt etc just to get rid of SlayerS. i'm half serious here. foreigner teams aren't as stacked as korean teams. Mouz came quite close (5-3 and that was not SlayerS' B-team). But they have 4 really good players, no other foreign team has that kind of line-up except EG. // edit : I'm pumped for some Goody action though ! I think SlayerS will leave the top guns at home, if the match takes the shape of SlayerS vs Liquid it's not bad I guess. They could hire Millenium and give Stephano a chance for an all-kill. I like Stephano's play style a lot, and I also believe he's incredibly good, but I don't think he could realistically all-kill five Code S players. If SlayerS send a B-team maybe, but that would be surprisingly foolish of them. Also, Millenium is essentially a one-man team when it comes to competition on a Korean level, B-team or not. I'll watch Stephano any day in a solo tournament, but in a team league I'd rather see more developped rosters. // edit @Micket : they used 3 Code S players actually. Lots was the only B-teamer they fielded. And MMA never plays before the ace match (it's a normal team strategy). The Slayers A team is Ryung, MMA, Ganzi, Taeja and Coca. There is no space for Puzzle on that team, unless they think he is better than Taeja (which he probably is based on current form.) In GSTL, Slayers fielded their 4 Terrans in most of the games.
Puzzle > Ryung still, check Code S november.
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On November 11 2011 05:34 Otolia wrote:
Mean Pholon is mean. I did put it in spoilers afterwards and I still get warned for this. QQ
Carebears are meanies.
The spoilers would be ok if that was just aired already.
You spoiled the result before we even got to see one game...
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On November 11 2011 05:21 Pholon wrote:
What the fuck people
More like what the fuck why would you remove my message when it had nothing to do with the supposed spoilers that happened in this thread. I looked at the OP and made my post. Maybe read the actual post next time, thanks.
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On November 11 2011 05:50 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:34 Otolia wrote:
Mean Pholon is mean. I did put it in spoilers afterwards and I still get warned for this. QQ
Carebears are meanies. The spoilers would be ok if that was just aired already. You spoiled the result before we even got to see one game...
As if I knew the results, it was a conjecture based on the likeliness of the thing and the infos I had. The next team isn't supposed to be some kind of secret. I just told my sources so that people would believe me. I feel like I just give you the newspaper and I am getting fined because the policemen saw the results of the football match that would be aired a few hours later. Anyway, let's drop that topic. I can speak with Pholon about it if I wish to do so and the rest isn't really important.
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On November 11 2011 05:57 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:50 Frankon wrote:On November 11 2011 05:34 Otolia wrote:
Mean Pholon is mean. I did put it in spoilers afterwards and I still get warned for this. QQ
Carebears are meanies. The spoilers would be ok if that was just aired already. You spoiled the result before we even got to see one game... As if I knew the results, it was a conjecture based on the likeliness of the thing and the infos I had. The next team isn't supposed to be some kind of secret. I just told my sources so that people would believe me. I feel like I just give you the newspaper and I am getting fined because the policemen saw the results of the football match that would be aired a few hours later. Anyway, let's drop that topic. I can speak with Pholon about it if I wish to do so and the rest isn't really important.
The problem was that you wrote what team would play the suposedly next team...
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well I for one am curious to see the Top 3 WCG Germany Qual. Finishers ( Socke, Darkforce and Goody) perform against the kereans.
Might be a little preview ;P
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United States530 Posts
This begins in just two hours! Let's see if GoOdy can live up to all the hype and pressure you've bestowed upon him. =P
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On November 11 2011 07:57 Joshy.IGN wrote:
This begins in just two hours! Let's see if GoOdy can live up to all the hype and pressure you've bestowed upon him. =P
You have no idea.
On a serious note, imagine if GoOdy lived in the SlayerS house. That mech...with good mechanics and the best practice...he would panzer the best of the best
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What is going on? Did someone leak the results? Hopefully just a false alarm.
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United States1050 Posts
Team Arena time! Best part of the work week!
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Are the observer mouse clicks always this loud? O_O
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Norway25712 Posts
should really defend your base better if you're going with a strong air force.
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On November 11 2011 10:23 KristofferAG wrote:
should really defend your base better if you're going with a strong air force.
Its hard to do so as protoss if you go double stargate vs someone going heavy ling. If you rush air units you wont have the resources for a ground army. Massing lings vs air is a common response, and players such as DRG have exhibitioned this strat in the GSL (see: DRG vs MC GSTL).
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Who's playing guys?? Or who's played
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think slayers should all kill... attax seems outmatched here
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I'm guessing slayers will only send their A team if they're behind in the count.
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I'm not sure who played here but thats not Delphi , Delphi is Zerg . It's either Cloud or GoOdy.
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How is HD so oblivious to aTn's team?
Does he know nothing about Cloud or Darkforce? Or that they have Goody for this match?
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Can anyone confirm who's playing? I have sound muted.
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On November 11 2011 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Can anyone confirm who's playing? I have sound muted.
there are barracks being built you know it's not goody
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On November 11 2011 10:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Ah, so Golden vs. Cloud?
Yes Golden vs ClouD
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On November 11 2011 10:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Ah, so Golden vs. Cloud?
yeah, they said so on stream few minutes ago - probably a problem with na acc or something.
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Cloud just got rooooollled.
Poor air d and easily getting surrounded by slings and blings.
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ZZZzzz, so one-sided. Looked like Diamond vs. Grandmasters, but it was just Korean vs. Foreigner.
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Okay just tuned in... what did I miss?
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Nice to see more of the SlayerS players....
Just too bad it's not a competition :/
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These guys must love hearing themselves talk jesus. just show the games.
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GOODY HAS BEEN RELEASED. So many excite.
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On November 11 2011 11:02 urasyupi2 wrote:
Wtf? Goody? Reaper?
thats his standard opener in TvZ, and he has quite a success with it
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That was a great opening by Goody there.
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good old goody with the multiple supply block and scv queueing
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Don't see what the Goody hype was for...
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Tremendous play by Golden.
Goody's reaper play was more successful than his mech play that game...
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Wow tenacious play by Golden, especially after losing the natural hatchery from a reaper bunker rush. Congrats
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Looks like another 5-0 xd.
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On November 11 2011 11:08 bucckevin wrote:
good old goody with the multiple supply block and scv queueing
I think he immediately queued 4 factory units on his first factory too o.O
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On November 11 2011 11:14 Greggle wrote:
Don't see what the Goody hype was for...
It was for/from people who don't watch enough Korean Starcraft 2.
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On November 11 2011 11:14 Greggle wrote:
Don't see what the Goody hype was for...
that was just a troll bandwagon, not actual hype
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Seems like a bad idea for Alternate to have saved two zergs for last. High chance of anti-zerg sniping.
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Spire vs Evo chamber. Time to channel Jaedong, Golden!!
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Darkforce was way ahead but Golden equalizing because he's seen how good Destiny is 
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Oh slayers... so imba... 1 more game for golden
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Wow... Golden actually looking great right now. Looks like another 5-0.
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Golden trolled Darkforce with infested terran upgrades and won by playing like Destiny. Hahahaha.
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LOL What the... this is not even remotely competitive
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On November 11 2011 11:32 DaeWang790 wrote:
Seems like a bad idea for Alternate to have saved two zergs for last. High chance of anti-zerg sniping.
I think both Darkforce and Delphi don't like ZvZ very much. So not that bad idea to save them. Seems to be an all-kill now.
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Norway25712 Posts
Can't believe Golden is heading to the second all-kill for Slayers in a row.
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4-0 already and another all-kills looks likely. Foreigners couldn't even put up a decent fight against a Korean B-teamer.
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On November 11 2011 11:44 KristofferAG wrote:
Can't believe Golden is heading to the second all-kill for Slayers in a row.
Lol I mean... it's not like they're playing Taeja.. they are going all easy-peazy fielding Lots and Golden
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Can only a Korean team take out a Korean team.... :/
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lol golden would've been so ahead if not for that last second mismicro.
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On November 11 2011 11:47 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Can only a Korean team take out a Korean team.... :/
I think EG could possibly measure up to a lower-level Korean team. Maybe. But SlayerS? Nah.
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well I think Socke and Darkforce didnt play what they could. maybe because of the start of the university a month ago in Germany are effecting their training.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
'...like BoxeR, like Golden!'
Mmm. I know that we are not really making equivalents here HD, but really?
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I hate to say it, but if IPL is going to keep this interesting, they're going to start to need better teams to dethrone SlayerS.
I'll be rooting for atn, and they might even do pretty well, but I expect this to be..... less than pretty. GL to Socke and Goody, in any case. They might take wins.
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On November 11 2011 11:56 Attilanator wrote:
I hate to say it, but if IPL is going to keep this interesting, they're going to start to need better teams to dethrone SlayerS.
I'll be rooting for atn, and they might even do pretty well, but I expect this to be..... less than pretty. GL to Socke and Goody, in any case. They might take wins.
Dude.. it's going on right now... and it's not pretty
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Only another Korean team can defeat another.
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lol they really need to do a better job casting...caster job isnt reporting the game...its the hype the game...
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That last game was just painful to watch.
All-kill #2!!! Congratulations!
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ALL KILL!
Congrats Slayers Golden!
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You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge...
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+ Show Spoiler +So will SlayerS send out a Protoss next week? If so, Frozen or Kuma imo.
Those ZvZ's were pretty entertaining tonight. WP to the victor
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On November 11 2011 12:03 Ansinjunger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So will SlayerS send out a Protoss next week? If so, Frozen or Kuma imo. Those ZvZ's were pretty entertaining tonight. WP to the victor
CranK imo.. their best Protoss b-teamer. or brown.
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They playing on NA server ? Lesser EU team has 0 chance. Its just EG or other Korean team that can do sth vs Slayers.
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Norway25712 Posts
Another all-kill! Oh my god, Slayers too good!
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I was expecting Socke/Cloud/DF to take at least one game, but sadly no luck this time.
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On November 11 2011 12:08 Bagi wrote:
I was expecting Socke/Cloud/DF to take at least one game, but sadly no luck this time.
You were expecting they go AT LEAST 3-5 against slayers?
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On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge...
I believe the reason that Golden got farther ahead was because he already had 3 spines up. With this defense set up, he could drone more aggressively, while Darkforce knew that a counterattack could come at any moment and needed to play more cautiously, especially since he knew that he was the last aTn player left.
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pfft what a disappointment or rather expected?
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On November 11 2011 12:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:08 Bagi wrote:
I was expecting Socke/Cloud/DF to take at least one game, but sadly no luck this time. You were expecting they go AT LEAST 3-5 against slayers?
3-5 were the scores Liquid and Mouz managed to accomplish against Slayers (although mouz did it against A-teamers so, huge props to them). No way Atn would have matched that.
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On November 11 2011 12:08 Bagi wrote:
I was expecting Socke/Cloud/DF to take at least one game, but sadly no luck this time.
What have you been smoking?
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On November 11 2011 12:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:08 Bagi wrote:
I was expecting Socke/Cloud/DF to take at least one game, but sadly no luck this time. What have you been smoking?
please pass it over to me
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On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge...
Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves.
There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example.
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nothing to say but lol
european a teamers getting 5-0'ed against korean b teamer
however, not very unexpected...
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Slayers has the best team in SC2 these days in regard of the players. They beat any non-korean team anytime because they have such a good playerpool.
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On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example.
lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"?
How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves?
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this is embarrassing for foreigners
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On November 11 2011 13:36 radiantshadow92 wrote:
this is embarrassing for foreigners
Luckily no one really considered any of these players top foriegners.
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I think mouz, eg and maybe empire is the only foreign teams that can take down a korean S-class team in theory.
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Anyone expecting anything less in an online competition where the koreans are in their comfort zone without any stress is deluding himself.
Basically every foreigner that went to Korea to practice is shocked how difficult and hard the Korean ladder is.
While they were easily top 10 GM in Na/Eu they had less than 50% at the start of their ladder experience.
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On November 11 2011 13:27 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example. lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"? How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves?
No, you're 100% wrong. The difference should be huge otherwise professional Korean players should be ashamed of themselves. The reason, as the other guy stated, is because they are so much more into being good than the majority of the rest of the world... If all higher level European teams practiced/trained as much, as hard, and as well as the pro gamers in Korea, then it would be surprising to see results like lower level Korea pro gamers AKing all mid-higher level pro European teams.
If the pros from all over the foreign scene went to Korea, they would literally not even make a dime. They wouldn't be pro, period. They would have no hype, because their level would not be high. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
Props too all European/NA pros that do practice that hard though, because they are the ones we all look up to, and they are the ones we count on to beat Koreans.
I'm a GoOdy fan too, but I'll never say that GoOdy is going to beat Korean players, because he's not that good. Regardless of his results in Europe, no... he's not even close to that good.
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On November 11 2011 14:10 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 13:27 nokz88 wrote:On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example. lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"? How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves? No, you're 100% wrong. The difference should be huge otherwise professional Korean players should be ashamed of themselves. The reason, as the other guy stated, is because they are so much more into being good than the majority of the rest of the world... If all higher level European teams practiced/trained as much, as hard, and as well as the pro gamers in Korea, then it would be surprising to see results like lower level Korea pro gamers AKing all mid-higher level pro European teams. If the pros from all over the foreign scene went to Korea, they would literally not even make a dime. They wouldn't be pro, period. They would have no hype, because their level would not be high. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Props too all European/NA pros that do practice that hard though, because they are the ones we all look up to, and they are the ones we count on to beat Koreans. I'm a GoOdy fan too, but I'll never say that GoOdy is going to beat Korean players, because he's not that good. Regardless of his results in Europe, no... he's not even close to that good.
I'm so sick of reading these uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap . Shut the hell up
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On November 11 2011 14:38 IMRandom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 14:10 Shinta) wrote:On November 11 2011 13:27 nokz88 wrote:On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example. lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"? How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves? No, you're 100% wrong. The difference should be huge otherwise professional Korean players should be ashamed of themselves. The reason, as the other guy stated, is because they are so much more into being good than the majority of the rest of the world... If all higher level European teams practiced/trained as much, as hard, and as well as the pro gamers in Korea, then it would be surprising to see results like lower level Korea pro gamers AKing all mid-higher level pro European teams. If the pros from all over the foreign scene went to Korea, they would literally not even make a dime. They wouldn't be pro, period. They would have no hype, because their level would not be high. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Props too all European/NA pros that do practice that hard though, because they are the ones we all look up to, and they are the ones we count on to beat Koreans. I'm a GoOdy fan too, but I'll never say that GoOdy is going to beat Korean players, because he's not that good. Regardless of his results in Europe, no... he's not even close to that good. I'm so sick of reading these uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap . Shut the hell up
Uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap? lol.... You must not watch games.
None of the players on the past 2 teams are as prepared as the SlayerS players (I should say player). If you're trying to argue with me about that, then you are one of the biggest trolls of all time.
If you are telling me that the players in the SlayerS house are less practiced and less coached than the players on teams like aTn, and ACER, you are one of the biggest trolls of all time.
I will agree with the majority of the people that SlayerS vs Liquid/mouz (especially mouz) were impressive wins. mouz of all teams would have a fighting chance with top pro players (not singling out Koreans) because they themselves are pretty high level pro players. Among the highest of all European and North American pro teams. I would say EG/mouz are the best teams outside of Korea right now, and both teams, if competing in an event like GSTL, would provide nice results. Liquid would win a few games but probably lose the majority of the matches pretty handily.
But yeah....
Don't tell me to shut the hell up when you have no idea what's going on. Read a book. Open your eyes. The world only spins in 1 direction. Though that direction changes ever so slightly over time, it does in fact spin in 1 direction.
If you're going to troll more, slap yourself in the face first. And then again after you're done. At least for my sake.
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Another all-kill, SlayerS too solid
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On November 11 2011 15:03 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 14:38 IMRandom wrote:On November 11 2011 14:10 Shinta) wrote:On November 11 2011 13:27 nokz88 wrote:On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example. lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"? How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves? No, you're 100% wrong. The difference should be huge otherwise professional Korean players should be ashamed of themselves. The reason, as the other guy stated, is because they are so much more into being good than the majority of the rest of the world... If all higher level European teams practiced/trained as much, as hard, and as well as the pro gamers in Korea, then it would be surprising to see results like lower level Korea pro gamers AKing all mid-higher level pro European teams. If the pros from all over the foreign scene went to Korea, they would literally not even make a dime. They wouldn't be pro, period. They would have no hype, because their level would not be high. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Props too all European/NA pros that do practice that hard though, because they are the ones we all look up to, and they are the ones we count on to beat Koreans. I'm a GoOdy fan too, but I'll never say that GoOdy is going to beat Korean players, because he's not that good. Regardless of his results in Europe, no... he's not even close to that good. I'm so sick of reading these uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap . Shut the hell up Uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap? lol.... You must not watch games. None of the players on the past 2 teams are as prepared as the SlayerS players (I should say player). If you're trying to argue with me about that, then you are one of the biggest trolls of all time. If you are telling me that the players in the SlayerS house are less practiced and less coached than the players on teams like aTn, and ACER, you are one of the biggest trolls of all time. I will agree with the majority of the people that SlayerS vs Liquid/mouz (especially mouz) were impressive wins. mouz of all teams would have a fighting chance with top pro players (not singling out Koreans) because they themselves are pretty high level pro players. Among the highest of all European and North American pro teams. I would say EG/mouz are the best teams outside of Korea right now, and both teams, if competing in an event like GSTL, would provide nice results. Liquid would win a few games but probably lose the majority of the matches pretty handily. But yeah.... Don't tell me to shut the hell up when you have no idea what's going on. Read a book. Open your eyes. The world only spins in 1 direction. Though that direction changes ever so slightly over time, it does in fact spin in 1 direction. If you're going to troll more, slap yourself in the face first. And then again after you're done. At least for my sake.
But that is exactly what this guy is saying: It's BECAUSE these foreigners pratice less and are less prepared and stuff as the Koreans, and therefore the skill gap (and getting all-killed by b teamers), THEY should be the ones ashamed of themselves being called a pro-gamer.
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On November 11 2011 14:05 Elefanto wrote:
Anyone expecting anything less in an online competition where the koreans are in their comfort zone without any stress is deluding himself.
Basically every foreigner that went to Korea to practice is shocked how difficult and hard the Korean ladder is.
While they were easily top 10 GM in Na/Eu they had less than 50% at the start of their ladder experience.
Even after getting used to it its insanely hard. Sen for example has barely a 50% on the korean ladder and thats almost where he plays whenever I watch him (due to taiwan/korea merging). Its just a lot harder and sen's a beast.
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Nothing unexpected. Quite good Europeans against Korean progamers ?
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On November 11 2011 15:13 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 15:03 Shinta) wrote:On November 11 2011 14:38 IMRandom wrote:On November 11 2011 14:10 Shinta) wrote:On November 11 2011 13:27 nokz88 wrote:On November 11 2011 12:49 gengka wrote:On November 11 2011 12:02 nokz88 wrote:
You know what is funny?
1. Delphi takes an early advantage
2. They both stabilize and macro
3. Nothing happens
4. Delphi is behind
WTF? They are both pro players, the different between their macro shouldn't be that huge... Why not? Koreans progamers official training time is from day to night, 6 days a week, and this doesnt include the free ladder practising time before they go to bed. They practise in a teamhouse where they have lots of pro practice partner. The difference SHOULD be huge, or else the Koreans shud be ashamed of themselves. There is no talents difference between koreans and foreigners. The only differences are the hard work and the attitude that koreans take towards the game. Take EG Huk as a perfect example. lol what a joke mentality you got. "The difference should be huge or else the Koreans should be ashamed of themselves"? How about: since the difference is this huge these "pros" should be ashamed of themselves? No, you're 100% wrong. The difference should be huge otherwise professional Korean players should be ashamed of themselves. The reason, as the other guy stated, is because they are so much more into being good than the majority of the rest of the world... If all higher level European teams practiced/trained as much, as hard, and as well as the pro gamers in Korea, then it would be surprising to see results like lower level Korea pro gamers AKing all mid-higher level pro European teams. If the pros from all over the foreign scene went to Korea, they would literally not even make a dime. They wouldn't be pro, period. They would have no hype, because their level would not be high. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Props too all European/NA pros that do practice that hard though, because they are the ones we all look up to, and they are the ones we count on to beat Koreans. I'm a GoOdy fan too, but I'll never say that GoOdy is going to beat Korean players, because he's not that good. Regardless of his results in Europe, no... he's not even close to that good. I'm so sick of reading these uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap . Shut the hell up Uninformed, racist, bigotry prejudiced crap? lol.... You must not watch games. None of the players on the past 2 teams are as prepared as the SlayerS players (I should say player). If you're trying to argue with me about that, then you are one of the biggest trolls of all time. If you are telling me that the players in the SlayerS house are less practiced and less coached than the players on teams like aTn, and ACER, you are one of the biggest trolls of all time. I will agree with the majority of the people that SlayerS vs Liquid/mouz (especially mouz) were impressive wins. mouz of all teams would have a fighting chance with top pro players (not singling out Koreans) because they themselves are pretty high level pro players. Among the highest of all European and North American pro teams. I would say EG/mouz are the best teams outside of Korea right now, and both teams, if competing in an event like GSTL, would provide nice results. Liquid would win a few games but probably lose the majority of the matches pretty handily. But yeah.... Don't tell me to shut the hell up when you have no idea what's going on. Read a book. Open your eyes. The world only spins in 1 direction. Though that direction changes ever so slightly over time, it does in fact spin in 1 direction. If you're going to troll more, slap yourself in the face first. And then again after you're done. At least for my sake. But that is exactly what this guy is saying: It's BECAUSE these foreigners pratice less and are less prepared and stuff as the Koreans, and therefore the skill gap (and getting all-killed by b teamers), THEY should be the ones ashamed of themselves being called a pro-gamer.
I don't think that's quite accurate though. There is not overwhelming support for becoming a top level pro gamer in other countries. There are some nice tournaments, however there is nothing HUGE going on in Germany. There aren't tons of sponsored players that practice all the time, there is not a whole ton of money, and it's not AS socially accepted there as it is in other countries (namely, South Korea). Those players are really good, and they are the professionals of their area, and they do provide incentive for other people to practice harder and get better. Because of that, they are not expected to do as well as Koreans (of course they CAN do just as well.. they are just not EXPECTED to). And because of that, they should not be ashamed of themselves for losing to people who are just at a higher level than they are.
Also, the word professional is also different from what you're thinking. Professional means that there is money involved. Pros don't necessarily have to be awesome at what they do, they are called professional for what they contribute to the game and to the community. But yeah, if it were up to me, I would have preferred to not call them pro gamers, because the term itself is not accurate.
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This is getting dumb. Why was SlayerS the first Korean team invited? Should have been a weaker one like Zenex or FXO instead.
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Time to bring in a Korean juggernaut.
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have to say i am surprised by this, i thought socke or darkforce could take a game. But golden was quite good in the past. never seen him recently.
Hope we can see slayers vs col MVP or EG
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This was highly unexpected.
+ Show Spoiler +
Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers)
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anyone know where i can find a VOD?
i keep looking through the ign:ipl website and can't find team arena o:
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On November 11 2011 17:07 Mithriel wrote:This was highly unexpected. + Show Spoiler +Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers)
I think Mouz could very well win over Slayers especially with the latency advantage playing on the NA-server. They certainly fielded their a-team when they played last time. Morrow won over Ryung (code S) and Lots (who all-killed Acer) and thorzain beat Cocoa (code S, 2nd place MLG). EG could win too, if they had their best line up. I'm not too sure about any other western teams though...
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Mouz already lost to them
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On November 11 2011 18:02 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 17:07 Mithriel wrote:This was highly unexpected. + Show Spoiler +Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers) I think Mouz could very well win over Slayers especially with the latency advantage playing on the NA-server. They certainly fielded their a-team when they played last time. Morrow won over Ryung (code S) and Lots (who all-killed Acer) and thorzain beat Cocoa (code S, 2nd place MLG). EG could win too, if they had their best line up. I'm not too sure about any other western teams though...
The only way SlayerS is going down is if they get overconfident and don't field their A-team against the stronger foreign teams like Mouz or EG. I don't see any foreign team getting through a lineup consisting of, say, MMA/CoCa/Ryung/Puzzle/Taeja/Ganzi (choose any 5 from that).
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sry but that golden allkill was a fail ^^not expected that
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I absolutely expected that, gratz to SlayerS
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Russian Federation676 Posts
im happy for golden to shine, he's not seen anywhere. is that the guy that streams with camera and destroys bronze noobs for fun?
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On November 11 2011 17:43 Gamegene wrote:
anyone know where i can find a VOD?
i keep looking through the ign:ipl website and can't find team arena o: Rebroadcast in 7 hours from this post acording to the OPs post and the "upcoming events" on the right side of the TL site.
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The results were not that surprising.
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I think atn had just a bad day. I mean it was only best of 1 and the players already have beaten better korean players than golden in the past. ex: Darkforce at NASL Finals (TSLaLive), Socke at IEM (Squirtel andothers) or Cloud in FXO Opens (MKP).
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On November 11 2011 17:07 Mithriel wrote:This was highly unexpected. + Show Spoiler +Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers)
Liquid` lost to SlayerS by the same score (5-3) that mouz did...!
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+ Show Spoiler +Millenium should play against Slayers soon.
Stephano can do some good damage , and if Tarson , Adel or even Diestar/Lalush/Feast are in good day , they can do it, but Stephano is definitively the key.
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Slayers are never going to be dethroned unless some of the really good teams used earlier get a second attempt.
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On November 11 2011 21:37 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 17:07 Mithriel wrote:This was highly unexpected. + Show Spoiler +Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers) Liquid` lost to SlayerS by the same score (5-3) that mouz did...!
No offense, but although the score was the same, Liquid lost to SlayerS B-team, while Mouz had to face three Code S players. It says a lot about the quality of the Liquid roster compared to the last two matches (Team Acer and ATN), but you can't reasonably say that Liquid did as good as Mouz did.
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not surprised. Golden is actually pretty good.... watch him stream Korean GM ladder games. He played well against Alternate attack, not too many mistakes.
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On November 11 2011 18:02 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 17:07 Mithriel wrote:This was highly unexpected. + Show Spoiler +Only teams able to take down slayers is EG and mouz (but even than only if Slayers fields b-teamers) I think Mouz could very well win over Slayers especially with the latency advantage playing on the NA-server. They certainly fielded their a-team when they played last time. Morrow won over Ryung (code S) and Lots (who all-killed Acer) and thorzain beat Cocoa (code S, 2nd place MLG). EG could win too, if they had their best line up. I'm not too sure about any other western teams though...
you do know everybody on mouz are European? They don't have any latency advantage lol...
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i at least hoped Socke and/or Darkforce/Cloud could take two to three games. a pity. but Golden is actually very good as stated before
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i never asked for this...
IPL team arena needs Empire...
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On November 11 2011 23:32 cklrkzk wrote:
i never asked for this...
IPL team arena needs Empire...
EU terrans vs KR terrans...
Might be fun but i think Slayers would take it.
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agh, that was kind of embarrassing for the german sc2 community... q.q
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On November 11 2011 16:56 AxionSteel wrote:
Time to bring in a Korean juggernaut.
That sounds like replacing a tyrant with a greater tyrant.
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I find it funny how many people predicted a goody all kill on page 1
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Why isn't Eve in the SlayerS roster? This kind of event seems like a perfect time to showcase her, unless she's no longer in SlayerS which would be sad.
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On November 12 2011 01:28 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 16:56 AxionSteel wrote:
Time to bring in a Korean juggernaut.
That sounds like replacing a tyrant with a greater tyrant.
Would be good to watch though 
Empire sounds worth a try.
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On November 12 2011 02:30 V170 wrote:
Why isn't Eve in the SlayerS roster? This kind of event seems like a perfect time to showcase her, unless she's no longer in SlayerS which would be sad.
She's at the G-Stars event in Pusan, along with Boxer, MMA and Jessica, and she will play some 2v2 showmatches with fans. I would not worry about her future in Slayers too much
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Well Slayers Vs The World needed to be a tourney so glad IPL could make it happen.
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at this point I am just really really wanting some of the old teams to get another chance here. i don't
even care who it is could be EG or any one as far as i care. but i care nothing for korean teams and
and we have obviously run through all of the good non korean teams. any one else is either going to be a
korean team (couldn't care less about) or low teir (painful to watch stomping). give Eg, REIGN, Liquid, mouz,
complexity, any of the others.
Obvoiusly i'd perfer Reign as i am a complete slush fan but really just please one of the old teams deserves a second chance by now.
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On November 11 2011 21:43 Vira wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Millenium should play against Slayers soon.
Stephano can do some good damage , and if Tarson , Adel or even Diestar/Lalush/Feast are in good day , they can do it, but Stephano is definitively the key.
Doubtful, highly doubtful. They have one good player that can even maybe compete and that's stephano. Even EG doesn't really stand a huge chance simply because Slayers has 5+ good players on their team, while EG only has 2, and technically 3. (Pumas good but not super amazing lately). Out of 1 or 2 teams in the entire world outside of Korea, most teams just don't have the talent in large enough numbers to compete with Slayers and other teams. They have 1-3 good players and as much as people try to hype the rest of the team they just don't have the back up.
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EG TL, Empire, maybe Dignitas or Mouz, they are the only foreign teams that have even a shot at dethroning slayers.
I understand that IPL doesn't want to only bring in those teams, but come on. Other than those top tier foreign teams, we're gonna need oGs, MVP, IM, NSHoseo or Prime to take out slayers.
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i think coL.MVP would be a good choice, since theyre partners you could have their koreans like DRG and sC and also Naniwa and others to keep the foreign community from being butthurt
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Empire wouldn't stand a CHANCE. Empire will be allkilled.
coL.MVP stands the highest.
and im not talking complexity. im talking MVP.
DRG, Genius, sC, and Naniwa has a very very good chance of taking out slayers.
I especially want to see a DRG/MMA rivalry again.
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