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699 Posts
Saturday, Nov 05 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
EU: Saturday, Nov 05 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Hmm..wonder what the walkover is about.
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with a 1-8 record it wouldn't be surprising if we have another withdrawn player in softball...
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Idra's not playing today? :O
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wow. if its a no-show/withdrawal, it just makes me angry. yeah maybe you have no chance to win and get into the playoffs. deal with it, man up, and play your games. do teams in other sports just no-show their games if they've been eliminated from playoff contention? no they keep playing. argghhhhh
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On November 05 2011 05:48 Gojira621 wrote:
wow. if its a no-show/withdrawal, it just makes me angry. yeah maybe you have no chance to win and get into the playoffs. deal with it, man up, and play your games. do teams in other sports just no-show their games if they've been eliminated from playoff contention? no they keep playing. argghhhhh
People in other sports are physically there and playing for an audience the majority of the time. I honestly can't blame them when they are already eliminated and just don't feel like showing up when it's just them playing from home. To them I'm sure it feels like there is basically nothing on the line anymore, so why bother playing it out. They shouldn't do it and should get shit for it but, I don't blame them at all.
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walkovers need to stop; it's unacceptable that so many players are not playing their matches.
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Kiwi won't disapoint me today, i know it. epic matches incoming. same goes for socke.
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I'm leaning towards Morrow. Kiwi's in a big slump vZ at the moment.
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Dont players in NASL get paid just for making it into the season? Withdrawing should cost you your prize money.
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On November 05 2011 08:47 jamesr12 wrote:
Dont players in NASL get paid just for making it into the season? Withdrawing should cost you your prize money.
Nope. Only get money if you make it to the Live Event(Top 16).
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Man so many withdraws in recent weeks, wow. Well at least we have KiWi vs MorroW!!
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On November 05 2011 08:47 jamesr12 wrote:
Dont players in NASL get paid just for making it into the season? Withdrawing should cost you your prize money.
No they dont.
Quite the contrary. They have to make a deposit (200 $ or smth) that they might not get back should they not fulfill their obligations.
I feel like getting rid of my thoughts about this at this point:
The whole extremely top heavy price money distribution of NASL (only the first 16 get any money) is not very intelligent. It does not give any incentive to players that have fallen behind to continue playing their best. Thats why games become worse and worse or get even completely cancelled towards the end of the season. Also, this distribution means that the majority of players i NASL does not get any money despite having invested a shitload of time.
The solution to that would be so easy. They would just have to pay a fixed amount (lets say 100 $) to players for every match they win during the group stage. That way every single match would be meaningful for players and therefore for the viewers. And it would ensure that nearly all players would get some money relative to their performance.
As there are 140 matches played during the group stage (if I calculated correctly), that would merely cost 14.000 $ of the overall 100.000 $ prize pool.
But obviously they dont do such reasonable stuff, because they have to hand out the overall winner 40.000 $, so that they have a more "spectacular" number at the end.
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On November 05 2011 06:01 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:48 Gojira621 wrote:
wow. if its a no-show/withdrawal, it just makes me angry. yeah maybe you have no chance to win and get into the playoffs. deal with it, man up, and play your games. do teams in other sports just no-show their games if they've been eliminated from playoff contention? no they keep playing. argghhhhh People in other sports are physically there and playing for an audience the majority of the time. I honestly can't blame them when they are already eliminated and just don't feel like showing up when it's just them playing from home. To them I'm sure it feels like there is basically nothing on the line anymore, so why bother playing it out. They shouldn't do it and should get shit for it but, I don't blame them at all.
Well I think Softball & Fenix are playing for an audience. There are people watching. And there is something on the line, the possible relegation from the league. Players want professionalism in paying them fast after the tournaments(which NASL has done as I understand), I as fan and also I would imagine tournament organizers want professionalism from players to play the matches that are scheduled. IMO this just gives bad picture to fans & sponsors. Only acceptable excuse to me is not being able to physically play (travelling) and not being allowed to re-schedule.
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2 games and a HoN match?
That's what a regular NASL day looks like now? smh
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Wow sick viewer count.
What is happening to NASL?
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On November 05 2011 10:18 Dexington wrote:
Wow sick viewer count.
What is happening to NASL?
Too many games, losing viewer investment.
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On November 05 2011 10:18 Dexington wrote:
Wow sick viewer count.
What is happening to NASL?
yeah, most of the featured streamers get more viewers than that 
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League concept needs a complete overhaul. It's clear that very few people are tuning in before the finals.
Grand Finals should be good, though.
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Goddamn it Sjow, you need to scout your opponent's base to see his tech investment. Stop getting caught with your pants down at the first sight of a colossus.
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anyone notice that sjow never got concussive shells?
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SjoW not microing marines at all. Still won easily because Socke just didn't have units. Pretty anti-climactic third game imo.
2-1 SjoW
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Smart 1-1-1 build from Sjow. Since he skipped siege mode he pushed out a lot earlier than Socke expected, so he didn't chrono out the immortal or stop probe production fast enough. Or Sjow made an uninformed decision and Socke didn't read it.
Either way Liquibet is satisfied. :D
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no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best
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nasl over saturation of games
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On November 05 2011 10:26 Mario1209 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:18 Dexington wrote:
Wow sick viewer count.
What is happening to NASL? yeah, most of the featured streamers get more viewers than that
Maybe that is only viewers in twitch.tv stream? If the stream on nasl website is totally different and does not count for those numbers.
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On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best
he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on...
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woo a morrow ZvP, I'm looking forward to this. hopefully morrow makes it good with many many lings and banelings.
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Who's casting Kiwikaki vs. Morrow besides Gretorp?
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On November 05 2011 10:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Who's casting Kiwikaki vs. Morrow besides Gretorp?
Breakycpk, HoN caster
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dat manly voice, even if hes not a sc2 caster i like his voice already lol (the guest caster)
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On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on...
and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even)
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income tab would be interessting now.
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Very nice build indeed by kiwi 
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On November 05 2011 10:54 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Who's casting Kiwikaki vs. Morrow besides Gretorp? Breakycpk, HoN caster
Thanks I've never heard of him (I don't watch or play HoN), but I like his casting so far. Good enthusiasm and game knowledge, as far as my sample set of 1 goes ^^
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fleet beacon
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didn't the stream numbers actually go up since its free HD? atleast from what I remember it was below 2k, but I didn't really watch it that often 
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CARRIER HAS ARRIVED
edit : oh wow yeah it's free 720p, since when ?
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sad socke lost
that looked realy like his match against jinro were he overall just made silly stuff.
in a german podcast he said to his match against jinro that he had to play it late at night after a long travel (realy tired) with zero to no warmup time in a hotel on a tiny table. so he just played 2 quick allins.
i can just imagine something like that happend here as well.
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On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even)
he doesnt impress you but he is certainly not average like you said, he has better results than mana, sase, hasuobs and even whitera. so I dont know why you say he cant cut it as a pro, when he is certainly one of the best eu protoss. I mean sometimes 1-1-1 isnt something that even korean protosses can stop when they see it coming.
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On November 05 2011 11:02 MrCon wrote:
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED
edit : oh wow yeah it's free 720p, since when ?
since last thursday/friday for 2 weeks
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Exciting game here. Trademark Beacon play from kiwikaki and insane macro by morrow
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On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even)
Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far.
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Man Kiwi is always entertaining to watch
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Kiwikaki is outplaying Morrow in this final engagement but he's so broke that he can't make the few units he would need to finish the game. He might just get overrun.
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Ugh, kiwi opened BRILLIANTLY... But then he got carriers...
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On November 05 2011 11:01 Ryler wrote:didn't the stream numbers actually go up since its free HD? atleast from what I remember it was below 2k, but I didn't really watch it that often
There's 3700 watching ..
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On November 05 2011 11:03 Miefer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) he doesnt impress you but he is certainly not average like you said, he has better results than mana, sase, hasuobs and even whitera. so I dont know why you say he cant cut it as a pro, when he is certainly one of the best eu protoss. I mean sometimes 1-1-1 isnt something that even korean protosses can stop when they see it coming.
erh? didnt mana win an IEM very recently..? id say that win alone is more than any of socke's accomplishments plus huk, kiwikaki (kiwi is just personal opinion, not based on his results) and naniwa are better, i cant really comment on whitera or hasuobs being better or worse than him but i do know i still like watching them better than him :D
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On November 05 2011 11:03 Miefer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) he doesnt impress you but he is certainly not average like you said, he has better results than mana, sase, hasuobs and even whitera. so I dont know why you say he cant cut it as a pro, when he is certainly one of the best eu protoss. I mean sometimes 1-1-1 isnt something that even korean protosses can stop when they see it coming.
Agreed. Socke is always under the radar. He's consistently had good results but he just hasn't put together a dominating streak. Definitely one of the top protoss in Europe.
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On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far.
0/10
he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either.
OT, grrs kiwi why carriers
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Liking that caster
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On November 05 2011 06:14 Theberlinwall wrote:
walkovers need to stop; it's unacceptable that so many players are not playing their matches.
Well if you're just getting killed every match and have to play said matches at ungodly times, I guess I can understand if you just don't play out the rest...
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Kiwi needs to be harassing more =(
brood lord armies are immobile and suck up tremendous amounts of supply for defence
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gg very well played.
Morrow 1-0 against Kiwikaki atm.
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Great, great play by morrow
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carriers lost him the game they are not worth the costs, and build time.
but what a great build:
nexus first, 3rd at minute 8. 4th at minute 14 and mothership at 16th minute.
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wp by morrow. wonder what was the upgrades on Kiwi's air fleet.
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fattycpk, eat a donut or ruin some teams dreamhack trip but dont cast sc2 pls
User was warned for this post
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On November 05 2011 11:12 Horse...falcon wrote:
Kiwi needs to be harassing more =(
brood lord armies are immobile and suck up tremendous amounts of supply for defence
Kiwikaki's army was actually less mobile than Morrow's. Kiwikaki was constantly on the backfoot, trying to defend his new bases. He couldn't get around to attack Morrow's bases anyway, considering how fast speedlings and corruptors are compared to any Protoss ground or air units.
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On November 05 2011 11:13 ypslala wrote:
carriers lost him the game they are not worth the costs, and build time.
I think it was more because of too many colossi against mostly air
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On November 05 2011 11:14 CloudCat wrote:
wp by morrow. wonder what was the upgrades on Kiwi's air fleet.
i agree, morrow played pretty damn strong, though i think it would have been alot closer if kiwi hadn't gone carriers for some unknown reason
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Go go Morrow! Win so IdrA can get the 2nd place seed in the group.
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That game just shows why carrier/colossus, bleh. Bleh. Now VRs on the other hand...
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On November 05 2011 11:14 Ottoxlol wrote:
fattycpk, eat a donut or ruin some teams dreamhack trip but dont cast sc2 pls
User was warned for this post
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On November 05 2011 11:14 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:13 ypslala wrote:
carriers lost him the game they are not worth the costs, and build time. I think it was more because of too many colossi against mostly air
if kiwi would have spended the carrier ressources for stalker.....
and as i said. the build time. build time is time without the unit you need in your army. 120 secs is a lot.
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On November 05 2011 11:08 sc14s wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2011 11:03 Miefer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) he doesnt impress you but he is certainly not average like you said, he has better results than mana, sase, hasuobs and even whitera. so I dont know why you say he cant cut it as a pro, when he is certainly one of the best eu protoss. I mean sometimes 1-1-1 isnt something that even korean protosses can stop when they see it coming. erh? didnt mana win an IEM very recently..? id say that win alone is more than any of socke's accomplishments plus huk, kiwikaki (kiwi is just personal opinion, not based on his results) and naniwa are better, i cant really comment on whitera or hasuobs being better or worse than him but i do know i still like watching them better than him :D
mana did not win iem. also he will certainly stay competitive, maybe not when he fished college and starts working as teacher. I mean he even played televised games in Germany back in broodwar in the german Giga Liga and was on germanys wcg team back then. without question huk is better, also naniwa but the rest not.
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On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers
lolz
he just had a bad best of 3...
every player has that from time to time
for example huk (asus), idra (eswc)
the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ...
bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches
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On November 05 2011 11:19 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:14 Ottoxlol wrote:
fattycpk, eat a donut or ruin some teams dreamhack trip but dont cast sc2 pls
User was warned for this post ???
theres been some drama regarding the complexity hon team, they blame him and his cocaster, lots of shittalk etc. truth is only the coL team is to blame because theyre a bunch of kids
doesnt really belong in this thread, just wanted to clear it out
On November 05 2011 11:27 Veclada wrote:
who is this caster?
you should try reading the thread, come on its only 4 pages
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On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches
Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day.
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On November 05 2011 11:27 Veclada wrote:
who is this caster?
Gretorp and Breakycpk (HoN caster).
Morrow overcommitting is costing him the game here.
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Ahhh I love this heavy VR play, I've been doing it on a ton in my PvZs. VRs are actually pretty solid vs hydras if you can FF correctly
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On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches
its not based on one Bo3 and based on the "lolz" i can't really take anything you say seriously anymore.
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On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day.
While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler.
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I don't know what the hell Morrow is thinking right now.
Actually his craziness just transferred into genius.
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HOLY SHIT ! Breakycpk casting sc2 ! NASL just made my day.
Breaky has always been my favorite caster .
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On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler.
There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s.
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i think this caster is great
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On November 05 2011 11:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't know what the hell Morrow is thinking right now.
NP, donate army multiple times. Then just tech switch to 15 mutas at once and win.
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These tech switches are so devastating.
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On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day.
Meh I don't think hes top 5 toss in eu whitera,elfi,mana,nani,sase
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Ugh this is so frustrating to watch. Attack after attack failing yet Morrow can drone and expand behind it.
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This caster needs to calm down a little bit. Excitement is good but jesus... slow down man.
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Dam Morrow just destroyed, looked so hurt, but the muta switch just abused to much mobility and dismantled Kiwikaki
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On November 05 2011 11:32 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler. There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s.
its not a big deal, i wont lose sleep if he does or doesn't stay on the scene. Its not hard to spot the bottom end of players starting to slide down the slippery slope (im looking at you tyler and incontrol <.<)
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woah woah woah. i just tuned in. they're having breaky cast SC2? :>
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On November 05 2011 11:30 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches its not based on one Bo3 and based on the "lolz" i can't really take anything you say seriously anymore.
well u already showed u have no idea about socke
so i just laugh out loudz
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kiwi make a nexus or something jesus
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On November 05 2011 11:33 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I don't know what the hell Morrow is thinking right now. NP, donate army multiple times. Then just tech switch to 15 mutas at once and win.
Exactly o.o I don't understand how Kiwikaki could have caught those mutalisks. Not even blink stalkers or phoenixes can do it.
That made me kind of sad. Kiwikaki was way ahead all game and then the inherent immobility of the race cost him the game.
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Kind of an odd end, Kiwi didn't make a building in time I suppose.
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On November 05 2011 11:34 iyoume wrote:
woah woah woah. i just tuned in. they're having breaky cast SC2? :>
yar, i haven't seen much from him before but i do like his casting, could be awesome once he gets some more practice in sc2 :D
also sad kiwi lost 0-2
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Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus.
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On November 05 2011 11:35 1Eris1 wrote:
kiwi make a nexus or something jesus
It was over, there was no way KiwiKaKi was going to win.
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On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus.
Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs?
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Socke is a great SC2 player, period. The HoN caster did pretty well too. Stop bashing without a good reason please.
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On November 05 2011 11:40 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus. Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs?
he played okay but to be fair tech switches are one of the strengths of zerg which he used to get the win so really he earned the win.
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On November 05 2011 11:40 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus. Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs?
Well, I guess the game is all about the roll of the dice and the army and not anything to do with economy or tactics.
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On November 05 2011 11:34 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:32 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler. There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s. its not a big deal, i wont lose sleep if he does or doesn't stay on the scene. Its not hard to spot the bottom end of players starting to slide down the slippery slope (im looking at you tyler and incontrol <.<)
Seriously? Bottom end?
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you compared him to Incontrol really shows how little you know.
Also, the number of better Protoss players that are NOT TRAINING IN KOREA is kinda limited. I mean there is Kiwikaki... and that's it. And while Kiwi's games are really exciting to watch, he doesn't really win more games than Socke.
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On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus.
What? When?
He threw away units way too many times, was behind for most of the game, Kiwikaki was outplaying him... and then he just massed mutalisks and speedlings and outran a Protoss player.
I've seen Morrow play "fucking amazing" a bunch of times, and I can't consider this one of those times. Game one showed far better skill from him than game two.
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On November 05 2011 11:43 RageCommodore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:34 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:32 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:
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he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on... and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. this is what happens naturally in pretty much all competitive games. look at early broodwar for an example.. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler. There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s. its not a big deal, i wont lose sleep if he does or doesn't stay on the scene. Its not hard to spot the bottom end of players starting to slide down the slippery slope (im looking at you tyler and incontrol <.<) Seriously? Bottom end? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you compared him to Incontrol really shows how little you know. Also, the number of better Protoss players that are NOT TRAINING IN KOREA is kinda limited. I mean there is Kiwikaki... and that's it. And while Kiwi's games are really exciting to watch, he doesn't really win more games than Socke.
i said he was mid tier, and was talking about how the BOTTOM players are starting to slide down and become less competitive so yeah read what i typed first before responding. i wasnt comparing him to incontrol at all.
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LOL @ morrow
Gretorp "Do you have any shout out before we let you go?"
Morrow "Uh, no it's ok"
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On November 05 2011 11:42 Komentaja wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:40 Piledriver wrote:On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus. Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs? Well, I guess the game is all about the roll of the dice and the army and not anything to do with economy or tactics.
I'm sorry, but KiwiKaKi was ahead both on probes and even/ahead on bases. Meh, I guess my emotions are getting the better of me, but I cant count the number of times when I have lost just because the zerg decided to suddenly make a midgame transition to mutas. I wish I could make 15 phoenixes at once if I have the resources to make it.
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LOL at Gretorp keeping Orb from saying any of the closing words. xD
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On November 05 2011 10:51 Miefer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:47 sc14s wrote:
no offense to socke but i dont think he can cut it as a pro, he just doesn't have a good enough gamesense i guess is the thing to say? he saw the 1/1/1 coming didn't cut probes, didn't chrono his gates and didn't engage correctly.. idk i just am never impressed with him, hes just average at best he is just 2 times esl germany winner, won dreamhack cointoss inv, 2 times shoutcraft inv winner, 5 place in mlg, iem gamescon 4th place and so on...
Well none of that matters because it doesn't impressive him... :Þ
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maybe now breakycpk and gretorp as guest? heard gretorp is quite ok in hon
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On November 05 2011 11:46 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:42 Komentaja wrote:On November 05 2011 11:40 Piledriver wrote:On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus. Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs? Well, I guess the game is all about the roll of the dice and the army and not anything to do with economy or tactics. I'm sorry, but KiwiKaKi was ahead both on probes and even/ahead on bases. Meh, I guess my emotions are getting the better of me, but I cant count the number of times when I have lost just because the zerg decided to suddenly make a midgame transition to mutas. I wish I could make 15 phoenixes at once if I have the resources to make it.
you do have warpgate as protoss so i cant really take that seriously 
honestly zerg has to do as much scouting as protoss and its hard for zerg to fight a deathball head on so.. they have to win other ways.
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On November 05 2011 11:49 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:46 Piledriver wrote:On November 05 2011 11:42 Komentaja wrote:On November 05 2011 11:40 Piledriver wrote:On November 05 2011 11:38 Bash wrote:
Morrow played fucking amazing in that last game, jesus. Which part of that last game was amazing? Losing his army multiple times and winning because of one tech switch to which protoss cant respond unless they prepare for it 2 minutes before it occurs? Well, I guess the game is all about the roll of the dice and the army and not anything to do with economy or tactics. I'm sorry, but KiwiKaKi was ahead both on probes and even/ahead on bases. Meh, I guess my emotions are getting the better of me, but I cant count the number of times when I have lost just because the zerg decided to suddenly make a midgame transition to mutas. I wish I could make 15 phoenixes at once if I have the resources to make it. you do have warpgate as protoss so i cant really take that seriously honestly zerg has to do as much scouting as protoss and its hard for zerg to fight a deathball head on so.. they have to win other ways.
You can fight the protoss deathball just fine with broodlord/infestor/corruptor.
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On November 05 2011 11:48 teddyoojo wrote:
maybe now breakycpk and gretorp as guest? heard gretorp is quite ok in hon
Gretorp already did a guest cast on NASL HON , it was good.
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I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name.
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On November 05 2011 11:45 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:43 RageCommodore wrote:On November 05 2011 11:34 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:32 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 10:56 sc14s wrote:
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and..? he doesnt impress me, there are plenty of toss that are certainly better (ignoring koreans even) Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. this is what happens naturally in pretty much all competitive games. look at early broodwar for an example.. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler. There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s. its not a big deal, i wont lose sleep if he does or doesn't stay on the scene. Its not hard to spot the bottom end of players starting to slide down the slippery slope (im looking at you tyler and incontrol <.<) Seriously? Bottom end? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you compared him to Incontrol really shows how little you know. Also, the number of better Protoss players that are NOT TRAINING IN KOREA is kinda limited. I mean there is Kiwikaki... and that's it. And while Kiwi's games are really exciting to watch, he doesn't really win more games than Socke. i said he was mid tier, and was talking about how the BOTTOM players are starting to slide down and become less competitive so yeah read what i typed first before responding. i wasnt comparing him to incontrol at all.
Yeah, but mid tier by what standards? If you exclude Koreans here, you also have to exclude all korean trained players which eleminates most Tosses that are above Socke in terms of Skill (Nani, SaSe, HuK). MaNa is the only european Toss which consistently shows as good results as Socke while having much more practice. Elfi is also good, but he's not a consistent performer, mainly because he lacks the mechanics.
Seriously, tell me more than 3 non-korean Tosses that are way above Socke. There just aren't any.
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On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name.
naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD
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On November 05 2011 11:53 RageCommodore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:45 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:43 RageCommodore wrote:On November 05 2011 11:34 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:32 Resilient wrote:On November 05 2011 11:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 11:29 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 05 2011 11:22 tarakas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:10 sc14s wrote:On November 05 2011 11:07 Resilient wrote:
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Someone message Socke and tell him that sc14s doesn't think he can cut it as a professional player, despite being in the top 10 non-Korean prize/tournament winners so far. 0/10 he will fall off the scene shortly anyways as the scene gets more competitive so its not like it matters what I think. Hes not the only one who will be knocked out either. this is what happens naturally in pretty much all competitive games. look at early broodwar for an example.. OT, grrs kiwi why carriers lolz he just had a bad best of 3... every player has that from time to time for example huk (asus), idra (eswc) the reasons mighty be jetlag, lack of warmup, setup, bad day, ... bad telling he will fall of the scene is ridiculous of that set of matches Everyone here STOP shitting on Socke. He is Top 5 protoss in EU. He has been around since bw back in [pG] days, Gosu as fuck might i add. Good Day. While I think that Socke is pretty good, referencing his BW resume isn't a good indicator that he's therefore amazing at SC2. Take a look at Nony/ Tyler. There's a difference between calling someone the next MC and saying they're not good enough to be a pro-gamer. Socke has won almost 35,000$ in prize money, I'd say he's doing well for himself and he probably isn't going to lose sleep over people like sc14s. its not a big deal, i wont lose sleep if he does or doesn't stay on the scene. Its not hard to spot the bottom end of players starting to slide down the slippery slope (im looking at you tyler and incontrol <.<) Seriously? Bottom end? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you compared him to Incontrol really shows how little you know. Also, the number of better Protoss players that are NOT TRAINING IN KOREA is kinda limited. I mean there is Kiwikaki... and that's it. And while Kiwi's games are really exciting to watch, he doesn't really win more games than Socke. i said he was mid tier, and was talking about how the BOTTOM players are starting to slide down and become less competitive so yeah read what i typed first before responding. i wasnt comparing him to incontrol at all. Yeah, but mid tier by what standards? If you exclude Koreans here, you also have to exclude all korean trained players which eleminates most Tosses that are above Socke in terms of Skill (Nani, SaSe, HuK). MaNa is the only european Toss which consistently shows as good results as Socke while having much more practice. Elfi is also good, but he's not a consistent performer, mainly because he lacks the mechanics. Seriously, tell me more than 3 non-korean Tosses that are way above Socke. There just aren't any.
"Way" above Socke? That's subjective. But Naniwa and HuK were above him even before Korean training. Also, White-Ra is better.
But I don't agree with sc14s's claim that Socke is going to fade away either. He's a mid-tier foreigner pro. He's no HuK, IdrA, or Stephano, but I don't see him fading away anytime soon. He'd still beat people like iNcontrol, Tyler, or Axslav decisively.
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So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters?
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On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters?
It looks like LoL o.O
Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes.
On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD
Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not?
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Its not only an oversaturation of games but its the meaninglessness of most of them. Hero's already made it to the GF, most guys are 1 game away, etc. There's no money for the regular season, there's no investment, there's no Koreans so the games are mostly just foreigners slap fighting.
All in all I think NASL is going to be the first league to be squeezed out when the SC2 esports pinch hits.
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On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not?
Never played League of Legends either -.-
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On November 05 2011 12:06 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not? Never played League of Legends either -.-
Me neither, but I had to sit through it at the recent IPL in Atlantic City.
It was ridiculously boring.
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On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not?
I wish the casters do some trolling ! but I dont think they will .
and Hon has been around before lol was even thought of , so Hon doesn't look like LOL , lol looks like HON
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On November 05 2011 12:13 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not? I wish the casters do some trolling ! but I dont think they will . and Hon has been around before lol was even thought of , so Hon doesn't look like LOL , lol looks like HON
My mistake; I'm unfamiliar with them and their histories.
EDIT: Post #9000 >.>
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On November 05 2011 12:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:13 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not? I wish the casters do some trolling ! but I dont think they will . and Hon has been around before lol was even thought of , so Hon doesn't look like LOL , lol looks like HON My mistake; I'm unfamiliar with them and their histories. EDIT: Post #9000 >.>
Haha I feel you, I wasted my 3000th post talking about Iran >.<
Im really confused what this game is. It's like a WoW arena match, except 5x as long
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Think of it this way, sc14s, people probably rate your post quality based on the few posts they've just witnessed similarly to how you judge Starcraft players. Extrapolate based on your hilariously small body of knowledge all you want.
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Just voicing my opinion, I'd rather watch pretty much.... any other game other than LoL. I'm sorry maybe its just me.
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On November 05 2011 12:27 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 12:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 12:13 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 05 2011 12:01 1Eris1 wrote:
So is HoN like WoW, except with small characters? It looks like LoL o.O Or like Diablo with team player vs. player modes. On November 05 2011 11:55 Tchado wrote:On November 05 2011 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've never watched or played HoN before, but there's a guy named CaptainBoner?
Seriously?
Is that getting streamed next? Because I might keep it on just to hear the casters say his name. naahhh , I think the most ridiculous name in the HON pro scene is "peterpandam"....wtf ? XD Hahahaha yeah. I wonder if some of these names are created just to troll the casters. Why not? I wish the casters do some trolling ! but I dont think they will . and Hon has been around before lol was even thought of , so Hon doesn't look like LOL , lol looks like HON My mistake; I'm unfamiliar with them and their histories. EDIT: Post #9000 >.> Haha I feel you, I wasted my 3000th post talking about Iran >.< Im really confused what this game is. It's like a WoW arena match, except 5x as long
Not really; You do know dota right? It's the same genre.
In case you don't know, basically each player control a hero(they work in the same way as war3 normal heroes, 3 skills plus one ultimate, every level you gain 1 point to put in your skills; Ultimate unlocks at level 6 but you still have to put a point in it to get it), plus you kill creeps which spawn in these 3 lanes to get gold and experience. You also get experience by killing the other team heroes and constructions(3 towers in each lane plus base). If a hero dies, it take some time to respawn; Game ends when the other team main's build(don't remember the name of them in LoL) are killed.
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wow ! that was the most messed up ulti spam I have ever seen XD
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watchin HoN is fucking hard even if you play it every day...
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On November 05 2011 12:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Way" above Socke? That's subjective. But Naniwa and HuK were above him even before Korean training. Also, White-Ra is better.
But I don't agree with sc14s's claim that Socke is going to fade away either. He's a mid-tier foreigner pro. He's no HuK, IdrA, or Stephano, but I don't see him fading away anytime soon. He'd still beat people like iNcontrol, Tyler, or Axslav decisively.
Nani? Yes. He was on an extreme hot streak prior to departing to Korea (similar to MaNa right now), but Huk? No. Before Huks training in Korea really improved his play, Socke was at least on the same level. He actually was some kind of nemesis to Huk, eliminating him in three major tourneys (DH Winter, Assembly Winter and MLG Dallas 2011), despite PvP being his by far weakest MU. Even today, he has a positive record against him.
His PvT is way stronger and pretty feared in EU (the Bo3 today doesn´t change that), proved by victories in important tourneys over high calibre players like Select, Kas, Brat_OK or Dde (vastly underrated) and even that MU is still below his PvZ.
His PvZ is top notch in EU, I would even go as far and say he is right now the strongest PvZ player residing in Europe (SaSe by the very few games I have seen from him could be on this level). I base that on the victories (since DH Summer) over following zergs:
IdrA
Ret
MorroW
Nerchio (twice)
DIMAGA (twice)
Darkforce
Sheth
The only Zerg, that seems to give him real trouble recently is Stephano (who is on fire lately), but they haven´t played much against each other (one Bo3 and one Bo1 as far as I know).
I´m sorry, but calling Socke a Mid-tier foreigner is disrespectful IMO. A mid-tier foreigner shouldn´t be able to beat all the players I mentioned above. That are far too many to call them upsets or something like that. A mid-tier foreigner shouldn´t be the 6th highest player outside Korea in terms of won price money and have tons of Top 8 or higher finishes in major tournaments (IEM, MLG, DH, Assembly and so on) over the span of more than a year.
Socke IS a Top foreigner, capable of beating pretty much any non korean player, if he brings out his A-game. This isn´t even much of an opinion, because he has done it before.
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On November 05 2011 10:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:18 Dexington wrote:
Wow sick viewer count.
What is happening to NASL? Too many games, losing viewer investment.
this pretty much, i haven't watched a single NASL S2 game i'll wait until the finals
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On November 05 2011 12:05 SimDawg wrote:
Its not only an oversaturation of games but its the meaninglessness of most of them. Hero's already made it to the GF, most guys are 1 game away, etc. There's no money for the regular season, there's no investment, there's no Koreans so the games are mostly just foreigners slap fighting.
All in all I think NASL is going to be the first league to be squeezed out when the SC2 esports pinch hits.
Gonna save this one for later
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Wait so what happened with Softball?
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On November 05 2011 16:44 FairForever wrote:
Wait so what happened with Softball?
yes all this talk about socke and no mention in the LR thread about softballs attendance
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I really, really like Breaky as a caster. Would be cool to see more of him in SC2, even if he hasn't the biggest knowledge of the game. That is true for so many casters, and he brings quite some entertainment at least.
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So is there a HoN game coming up on this stream in 10 mins?
and really , morrow getting sencored
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Tuning in in game one MorroW vs Kiwikaki i was wondering about the voice of the 2nd caster.
After it .. haha .. i had to smile cause it was actually Breaky well known in the HON community.
Even though he had not much knowledge in the game itself on that lvl of play it
was really cool to hear play by play caststyle in sc2. i enjoyed the cast although
im not really into gretorp but thats my opinion. anyone know if there are any further
plans of him getting more involved into sc2 since hon is with the release of dota2 a very risky thing to rely on.
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On November 06 2011 03:38 Chanted wrote:and really , morrow getting sencored
Heh, ya, kinda odd, he just said like "fuck/shit ton of roaches" or something. And lol, one more time right now.
Nice play by him nevertheless. Interesting interview as well.
Oh, and he got top 2 secured? Sweet.
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8 pages? That's like 100% more than usual, sup? I'm just here to check the scores and I'm pleased with 3/3 (2/2). NASL is good for our liquibets (which is not a good thing for spectators).
On November 05 2011 11:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Morrow loves to curse.
Deal with it, he's Swedish.
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NASL became quite the frankenstein: calls itself north american, has a majority of european players (and audience, the rerun today had almost twice the viewers) but can't be global because lacks the premier koreans.
Still IPL "events" aren't doing much better, the format of a regular league as a whole is giving way to the once-in-a-while live event. We require additional hype.
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On November 06 2011 04:31 AlternativeEgo wrote:8 pages? That's like 100% more than usual, sup? I'm just here to check the scores and I'm pleased with 3/3 (2/2). NASL is good for our liquibets (which is not a good thing for spectators). Deal with it, he's Swedish.
I find it hilarious that he doesn't give a shit about censorship.
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On November 05 2011 16:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:44 FairForever wrote:
Wait so what happened with Softball? yes all this talk about socke and no mention in the LR thread about softballs attendance Same here. I don't really care about the results before playoff stage, people who are either above or below playoff level are known since day one anyways.
The only thing interesting at this stage is the drama (fabricated or genuine, I don't care) that surrounds no-shows and withdrawals. I'd really like some info on SoftBall regarding that issue, but I'm not going to watch two hours of Gretorp and HoN to get it. Could anyone fill me in ?
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