EPTBUT: this is quite a bit better than any previous MLG. And nearly all of the Koreans looked mortal. MKP, Boxer, Bomber, HongUn, Rain, July, MC - they all lost a BO3 to a foreigner over the last two days. Only Puma, theStC, and HerO went undefeated (against foreigners) in pools. And only the StC didn't drop a game or two to a foreigner.
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
BUT: this is quite a bit better than any previous MLG. And nearly all of the Koreans looked mortal. MKP, Boxer, Bomber, HongUn, Rain, July, MC - they all lost a BO3 to a foreigner over the last two days. Only Puma, theStC, and HerO went undefeated (against foreigners) in pools. And only the StC didn't drop a game or two to a foreigner. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
He's got a very difficult group I think, unless Kiwi or Boxer beats Stephano. His big weak match up is vs Zerg and having the two best foreigner Zergs at the moment in his bracket sucks for him. Pretty likely that he'll win the Code A seed though. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:29 fritos wrote: Consider this too: There are far more less Koreans in MLG than foreigners. So if there were 50% of Koreans and 50% of foreigners participating MLG from the very beginning, the result would be even more one-sided for Koreans Well obviously. But it's all relative to past MLGs. There were fewer Koreans in the first MLG's and more and more have come every time, yet the foreigners do better every time. Someone posts the stats after every MLG and compares them to past events. Just keep an eye out for them, they will be tremendously better than ever before, despite more Koreans. Also, I disagree with the guy who said they the best Koreans aren't here. It doesn't get much better than Bomber, Hero, July, and Polt. Bomber is pretty much equal to MVP. | ||
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harobi
Germany56 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:33 fritos wrote: These are not variables. It's a simple mathmatical probability. no variables? you mean like the quality of the koreans involved is not a factor ? Or the fact that this tournament is played in the USA and if it was korea and the best foreigners went to play an mlg like event its possible rougly the same percentage would make it through the open brackets as the korean reps here did even if it was the same number. omg half asian half korean= Korea > World isnt really an accurate way to go about deciding thing.I didnt realise highschool probability was that bad. Im just saying it for arguements sake though. 20 mins to wcg. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:41 hitpoint wrote: Well obviously. But it's all relative to past MLGs. There were fewer in the first MLG's and more and more have come every time, yet the foreigners do better every time. Someone posts the stats after every MLG and compares them to past events. Just keep an eye out for them, they will be tremendously better than ever before, despite more Koreans. Also, I disagree with the guy who said they the best Koreans aren't here. It doesn't get much better than Bomber, Hero, July, and Polt. Bomber is pretty much equal to MVP. July is too erratic. Hero hasn't qualified for Code S. Now Polt looks amazing, but no one has seen this new macro pressure style from him before. Sometimes Bomber goes on a tear, sometimes he dies to Keen. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:41 hitpoint wrote: Well obviously. But it's all relative to past MLGs. There were fewer in the first MLG's and more and more have come every time, yet the foreigners do better every time. Someone posts the stats after every MLG and compares them to past events. Just keep an eye out for them, they will be tremendously better than ever before, despite more Koreans. Also, I disagree with the guy who said they the best Koreans aren't here. It doesn't get much better than Bomber, Hero, July, and Polt. Bomber is pretty much equal to MVP. Bomber is a top 5 player, but he's no MVP. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:37 sjschmidt93 wrote: Predictions for tomorrow: 7th/8th -- Hero + MC 5th/6th -- Stephano + HuK 4th -- Polt 3rd -- MKP 2nd -- TheSTC 1st -- Bomber I was thinking... 1st. Bomber 2nd MKP 3rd. Polt 4th. theSTC 5th/6th HuK/July 7th/8th MC/Stephano | ||
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viksu
United States6 Posts
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Dispersion
Korea (South)504 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:45 Dispersion wrote: I'm not excited to see even more TvT, but marines and medivacs are very good eh? Except in TvT if you ask Artosis  | ||
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xdeacon
United States2 Posts
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:44 LighT. wrote: I was thinking... 1st. Bomber 2nd MKP 3rd. Polt 4th. theSTC 5th/6th HuK/July 7th/8th MC/Stephano I was thinking... 1st Idra 2nd Puma 3rd Huk Because they're the best. Except for Huk. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:43 CosmicSpiral wrote: July is too erratic. Hero hasn't qualified for Code S. Now Polt looks amazing, but no one has seen this new macro pressure style from him before. Sometimes Bomber goes on a tear, sometimes he dies to Keen. July was in the semi finals last GSL. He's up there. And yea Bomber lost to Keen, sometimes he beats MVP 4-2 also. | ||
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siewkeat
282 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:41 hitpoint wrote: Well obviously. But it's all relative to past MLGs. There were fewer Koreans in the first MLG's and more and more have come every time, yet the foreigners do better every time. Someone posts the stats after every MLG and compares them to past events. Just keep an eye out for them, they will be tremendously better than ever before, despite more Koreans. Also, I disagree with the guy who said they the best Koreans aren't here. It doesn't get much better than Bomber, Hero, July, and Polt. Bomber is pretty much equal to MVP. Bomber, Hero, July and Polt is good, and among the best Koreans but they are not in form recently. Would be interesting to see player like Curious, Mvp, MMA, Happy, Oz in it as these are the hot players in Korean tournaments recently. Stephano and Idra are getting on fire and looks great too bad they are in the same bracket. | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:44 viksu wrote: InControl isn't in a slump. He's just not good enough. He's a decent player, but he's no pro. Time to start thinking about a new career. And you should think before posting. Definition of progamer? when you get paid for it (and i guess nowdays as long as you stay in a Team and compete with the best). Doesn't matter how good you are. He knows a lot about the game, but yes, he can't play as good as others seem to play. He still has a good place in this community even though he isn't that good right now/anymore. Coaching which has been his 2nd job all along, doing sponsoring stuff for EG and whatnot. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:48 hitpoint wrote: July was in the semi finals last GSL. He's up there. And before that he didn't make it out of group stages. And this season he didn't make it out of group stages. ERRATIC. Just like Bomber, who has not reached the Ro4 since getting to Code S. | ||
windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Raleigh Pool Play: 4 Koreans at top of the 4 groups 2 foreigners and Select at 2nd place in their groups Last places were all foreigners and MoOnan Top 16 9 Koreans 7 Foreigners Anaheim: Pool play 4 Koreans at top 2 foreigners in 2nd place All bottom players were foreigners Top 16: 6 koreans Rest foreigners Not going to bother counting how many Koreans attended those MLGs because I am lazy. And the stats do not show that much anyways | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:41 hitpoint wrote: Well obviously. But it's all relative to past MLGs. There were fewer Koreans in the first MLG's and more and more have come every time, yet the foreigners do better every time. Someone posts the stats after every MLG and compares them to past events. Just keep an eye out for them, they will be tremendously better than ever before, despite more Koreans. Also, I disagree with the guy who said they the best Koreans aren't here. It doesn't get much better than Bomber, Hero, July, and Polt. Bomber is pretty much equal to MVP. well..no..bomber is not pretty much equal to MVP, hes pretty much a lock at #1 Of the players here, Bomber, HerO and Polt are tremendous players. I agree...but lets see the players who the koreans could have brought instead of latters.. Slayers_Boxer, replace with Slayers MMA ST_July replace with colMVP_DRG Inori replace with SlayersGanzi EGPuma, replace with IMMVP replace theSTC with someone like oGsNaDa/IMLosirA Fnatic Rain with Slayers Taeja HongUn Prime...any other protoss. Just theres still a vast amount of players in the pool that are better than the ones at this MLG that could make things infinitely more interesting and a nightmare towards foreigners. I'm sure foreigners will take series or two for sure but...hell of a lot more difficult | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On October 16 2011 12:37 LighT. wrote: Looking at the statistics...It looks decent 10/16 so almost half akorea half foreigners..but lets put it in a new light... There's a total of 13 koreans playing at this event... Polt is likely to advance and beat TLO, bearing a huge upset...and up against Sheth where he will still be favourited so you may be looking at 11 koreans of 13 at top 16... TSLaLive. one of the few koreans eliminated was eliminated by Polt, who just happens to be korean. Inori has been the only korean successfully eliminated by a foreigner. so youre looking at basically 11/12 koreans (discounting aLive) still remaining.... Korean domination? Clearly seen. Just as a fun additional fact..its sort of funny how the #2 and #1 seed foreigners, HuK and IdrA, have been both long-time Code S regulars and just about everyone else has struggled outside of SaSe who played in Code A So Artist and Hwangsin aren't Korean anymore? Obviously they aren't elite code S Koreans, but guys that good might have destroyed an MLG in the past. If you're going to count Koreans for the sake of measuring foreign progress you can't pick and choose or else you're just skewing statistics. | ||
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