On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
On October 16 2011 11:23 dcemuser wrote: They STILL haven't confirmed Bomber as the winner of Pool B, why?
MLG: We'll have the winners of all the pools for you shortly. Bomber, SaSe and PuMa are currently in a three way tie and the winner is being confirmed.
On October 16 2011 11:13 dmnum wrote: Lol @ the people using playing LoL as an argument to discredit the dude. You are ridiculous, cry like little babies when BW elitists say SC2 is a newb game but do the same with with LoL. You should be ashamed, really.
this x1000. sc2 players trying to make fun of LoL players for playing a 'skilless' game makes me laugh.
On October 16 2011 11:16 Turbogangsta wrote: WHY IDRA WHY WHYYYYY QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ /WRISTS PLEASE IDRA POELASE YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE EVIL TERRANS WWWWWWAAAAHHHH IDRA COMON SON
At first I laughed at the sarcastic post, but now I am unsure if this is actually sarcasm since so many IdrA fanboys actually act like this...
it was a srs post it breaks my heart when idra loses but im not blind MKP is one of my favorite terrans and i can see why he won that game. (and i can see why it seems like bullshit too even tho its not it was great play by MKP)
i actually ran and locked myself in the bathroom and cried when my favorite football team lost! i feel ya! (yeah that was...some years ago)
On October 16 2011 11:16 Turbogangsta wrote: WHY IDRA WHY WHYYYYY QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ /WRISTS PLEASE IDRA POELASE YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE EVIL TERRANS WWWWWWAAAAHHHH IDRA COMON SON
At first I laughed at the sarcastic post, but now I am unsure if this is actually sarcasm since so many IdrA fanboys actually act like this...
it was a srs post it breaks my heart when idra loses but im not blind MKP is one of my favorite terrans and i can see why he won that game. (and i can see why it seems like bullshit too even tho its not it was great play by MKP)
i actually ran and locked myself in the bathroom and cried when my favorite football team lost! i feel ya! (yeah that was...some years ago)
On October 16 2011 11:16 NuclearJudas wrote: [quote] KR getting a Fac, Tyler getting WG research and a second gate. Stargate coming up for Tyler.
Whoops, Tyler actually got the SG before his gate, I think. Tyler starts Phoenix production. Kawaii getting a second CC.
Bunker and tanks out for KR. Tyler places down his Nexus at the seven minute mark.
Tyler getting one SCV with somePhoenix harass.
Seige mode coming for KR and a Forge for Tyler.
Tyler getting +1 Armor and KR getting Stim.
Tyler getting a Robo and another gate. KR getting an Armory.
Tyler getting a Robo Bay and an Observer. KR going for Thors and +1 attack.
Tyler getting Colossus and +1 Attack. KR getting Strike Cannon for Thors.
Tyler also getting Extended Thermal Lance and a Twilight Council. KR getting combat shields, moving out.
Engagement is on. Tyler getting some tanks, but Kawaii seems to take the battle. Tyler getting Zealot Charge and +2 Armor and one more gate. Looking bad for Tyler though as Kawaii presses forward. TARSON Tyler holds. Huge worker lead for KR.
On October 16 2011 10:34 Icky wrote: Not over yet, and all.. But I have to say, as a casual Starcraft 2 watcher, if Koreans keep winning MLGs I'm just going to stop bothering entirely.
Why, were you not entertained by that game?
Why does it matter where they come from? Was that game not intense and exciting? If a player's nationality is what prevents you from watching esports why even bother?
Some people doesn't enjoy seeing a tourney roster and knowing which players will finish top 6. It's his opinion, are you that intolerant?
There are more than 6 Koreans, and if pool play shows us anything it's that foreigners are more than capable of making it top 6 anyway. SC is about the games, not about where people are from.
You want SC2 to be an e-sport, right? Soccer is all about the games too, yet I don't cheer for barcelona because they are the best team in the world, I cheer for flamengo because they are the team from my country.
Soccer is a team sport, SC2 is more comparable to tennis or golf, Do you perhaps not root for Federer or Tiger Woods?
There's not much point in complaining about people cheering for their own country. The Koreans do the same and no one ever blames them. Like Tasteless was saying, Koreans won't even watch a sport unless Koreans are winning it.
This is simply not true. My father was a Yankees fan ever since he was a teenager in South Korea. He didn't even own a television set. He'd watch the games on horrible reception whenever he had a chance to go to a major city. In an Olympic setting, would South Koreans root for their national team? Of course they would, but the important thing is that they ultimately respect the game.
Whoever you root for is who you choose to root for. What's ridiculous is to say that you're a StarCraft fan and then in the next breath say you blatantly refuse to watch any games with Koreans in it. So basically you are...
1. Being prejudice. Not racist, but prejudice. The best players in the world are Korean. You are refusing to watch the best players simply because they are Korean.
2. Not respecting the game. Refusing to watch games based on reason #1 means you don't care about seeing good games. All you care about is seeing foreigners play.
3. Ignorant. You are denying yourself the opportunity to watch the best StarCraft 2 players in the world.
I'm a soccer fan. When the United States or South Korean national teams are playing, of course I'll cheer in their favor, but when they inevitably get knocked out I don't stop watching the game. I watch it all the way to the finals. Why? Because I respect the game and those who play it on the highest level. The sport takes precedent over the nationalism.
The last thing StarCraft should become is a xenophobic mouthpiece for nationalistic circlejerks. Respect the players. Respect the game. There are good foreigners and there are good Koreans, but if foreign scene can't respect the game, then it will always be subpar to the Korean scene.
Also, the basketball scene in China is getting much better too. Guess what the best selling NBA jersey in China is? If you guessed Yao Ming you are dead wrong.
The best selling NBA jersey in China is Kobe Bryant. Then it's Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson.... Yao Ming is actually #10.
Why the fuck was he a Yankees fan of all teams... in South Korea?
the same reason a Pakistani kid in 1999 can be a Barcelona fan with nothing but 1 la liga game (on a crappy satellite dish) to watch a week at 1 am . Love for the game.
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
This is a longstanding debate across Team Liquid with no real answer and everyone has their own definition.
Should be a dictionary with the finite definition for words such as all-in, cheese, outclassed, OP, imbalanced, Korean, Foreigner, etc because everyone says something stupid about all of these which doesn't match my definition of the words.
On October 16 2011 10:34 Icky wrote: Not over yet, and all.. But I have to say, as a casual Starcraft 2 watcher, if Koreans keep winning MLGs I'm just going to stop bothering entirely.
Why, were you not entertained by that game?
Why does it matter where they come from? Was that game not intense and exciting? If a player's nationality is what prevents you from watching esports why even bother?
Some people doesn't enjoy seeing a tourney roster and knowing which players will finish top 6. It's his opinion, are you that intolerant?
There are more than 6 Koreans, and if pool play shows us anything it's that foreigners are more than capable of making it top 6 anyway. SC is about the games, not about where people are from.
You want SC2 to be an e-sport, right? Soccer is all about the games too, yet I don't cheer for barcelona because they are the best team in the world, I cheer for flamengo because they are the team from my country.
Soccer is a team sport, SC2 is more comparable to tennis or golf, Do you perhaps not root for Federer or Tiger Woods?
There's not much point in complaining about people cheering for their own country. The Koreans do the same and no one ever blames them. Like Tasteless was saying, Koreans won't even watch a sport unless Koreans are winning it.
This is simply not true. My father was a Yankees fan ever since he was a teenager in South Korea. He didn't even own a television set. He'd watch the games on horrible reception whenever he had a chance to go to a major city. In an Olympic setting, would South Koreans root for their national team? Of course they would, but the important thing is that they ultimately respect the game.
Whoever you root for is who you choose to root for. What's ridiculous is to say that you're a StarCraft fan and then in the next breath say you blatantly refuse to watch any games with Koreans in it. So basically you are...
1. Being prejudice. Not racist, but prejudice. The best players in the world are Korean. You are refusing to watch the best players simply because they are Korean.
2. Not respecting the game. Refusing to watch games based on reason #1 means you don't care about seeing good games. All you care about is seeing foreigners play.
3. Ignorant. You are denying yourself the opportunity to watch the best StarCraft 2 players in the world.
I'm a soccer fan. When the United States or South Korean national teams are playing, of course I'll cheer in their favor, but when they inevitably get knocked out I don't stop watching the game. I watch it all the way to the finals. Why? Because I respect the game and those who play it on the highest level. The sport takes precedent over the nationalism.
The last thing StarCraft should become is a xenophobic mouthpiece for nationalistic circlejerks. Respect the players. Respect the game. There are good foreigners and there are good Koreans, but if foreign scene can't respect the game, then it will always be subpar to the Korean scene.
Also, the basketball scene in China is getting much better too. Guess what the best selling NBA jersey in China is? If you guessed Yao Ming you are dead wrong.
The best selling NBA jersey in China is Kobe Bryant. Then it's Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson.... Yao Ming is actually #10.
Why the fuck was he a Yankees fan of all teams... in South Korea?
I hate people that racist against Korean winning, Korean are better at Starcraft, so admit it, respect them and watching the beautiful game. If your country hero win, of course you can be happy, but saying things like "If Korean is dominating, I am not bothering with the game anymore" is stupid, and just show that you did not love starcraft at all, better player win, they put more effort into the game, have better understanding of the game and decision making, they deserve it.
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote: Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.
To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.
When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
That would be like saying that French player practicing chess in Russia is Russian. That terminology makes absolutely no sense to anyone but few people who decided to use it (few sc2 fans who just need to be able to say that non-Koreans never win anything). You are redefining words needlessly, just say training in Korea, which is correct English, not Korean as he is not, he is a Canadian/American. Using few more words won't kill you and you will avoid butchering English language and creating misunderstandings.
Chess is a pretty bad example in this particular case, since chess players tend to play for whatever country they are currently residing in. America has tons of players who are considered American and have won US Opens and such, but didn't spend much time here.
Anyway I see where he is coming from. I consider SelecT a NA player even though he's obviously not, and HuK has spent enough time overseas that his pedigree is more Korean than NA.
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