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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 14 2011 16:14 GMT
#721
On October 15 2011 01:10 TrentGear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:03 Daralii wrote:

To a lot of people, SC is the only game allowed to be an eSport. You get the same type of hate for:

HoN
DotA
CoD
Halo
CS
Quake

Yeah, but we should support all e-sports, if League has insane viewer counts that *awesome* for everyone who likes esports. To have hating of any sort on another game in op is all sorts of BM.

It is not as active as booing the Halo award ceremony, but it still should not be there.


I'm not going to support any competitive scene of games I don't like, that would just be stupid of me.
I let people support their own eSports while I support mine.

Also can't see anything wrong with hating on casuals.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
October 14 2011 16:14 GMT
#722
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 14 2011 16:15 GMT
#723
On October 15 2011 01:12 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:08 Sina92 wrote:
about APM im LoL / HoN / Dota: 85% of your APM goes into just spamming rightclick, as you only have ONE unit to control.
Also, SC2 doesn't show your APM (which should be actions per sc2 minutes tbh) anymore.

GG Fruitdealer


My question is why would APM even be relevant in a game like LoL or DoTA? You can accomplish the same thing with 20 APM if you time your moves correctly. The fact that there is little to no multitasking in that type of game tells me that APM is relatively useless measurement.


Well sometimes you have more than one unit in DotA etc.
But a high APM is much more important for lasthitting and denies as you constantly cancel your attack animation to let the damage come into the right second to get the kill on the creep. But APM is definately not as much a factor as in RTS games.
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TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
October 14 2011 16:16 GMT
#724
LoL has a much higher viewer rating because it's much more casual friendly. It's one of those games like CoD that you can really just jump right into. Starcraft, on the other hand, is a game that requires dedication and work to get to be a mid-tier player. It turns people off to have to work to get good at a game.

Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
October 14 2011 16:16 GMT
#725
On October 15 2011 01:13 Malstriks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:12 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:08 hippocritical wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:05 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:02 Malstriks wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:56 Asha` wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:55 Malstriks wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:53 oogieogie wrote:
yea i feel bad for axslav/incontrol/painuser (does he still play?) since they arn't doing well at all..probably missing someone


painuser mostly casts now (correct me if I'm wrong). and just a wild guess but I'm guessing Axslav/incontrol don't practice as much as other top foreigners and this is why their results aren't very good. I could 100% be wrong, but this is usually the case (as seen in school/studying, and other sports)


Axslav and Incontrol live and practice full time in the EG house...

Painuser still plays a little but is predominantly casting for IGN, he did make a pretty respectable run in the MLG open bracket last time out before getting crushed by HerO


Source with their practice hours?


it has been stated many times on throgh Various show ITG/SOTG. they pratice 11am-3pm then have a break then 4 more hours couple hours later


It usually isn't the amount of hours put in, which I guess on the NA ladder after a certain point you can only get so good. The quality of practice aside from Idra and Demuslim in the EG house probably isn't nearly as fearsome as the EU/KR players. So it could just be Axslav vs Strifecro 8 hours worth of practice, which doesn't sound nearly as impressive.



Many people are just not that talented. It's not just quality of practice and hours put in, talent is a huge factor.


I disagree entirely with this post. I believe anyone can become a professional player in SC2 if they practice correctly and for long enough. If someone practices 15 hours a day for 5 years and they start off with no "talent" (btw what is your definition of talent?) I refuse to believe they could easily become a TOP professional player.


He didn't say you can't be a professional player but that talent matters in that it's easier (to learn or) to perform at pro level.

If you deny this you deny the very existence of "talent".
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
October 14 2011 16:16 GMT
#726
On October 15 2011 01:14 Talin wrote:
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On October 15 2011 01:12 Caesarion wrote:
Just curious. Is it pronounced Po-ke-bunny or Poke-bunny?


Everybody pronounces it Poke-bunny (ie not like Pokemon) that I've heard. And he hasn't complained... as far as I've heard.

Not very reliable but there you go.


Okay. Good enough for me.

MaNa vs TT1 will be interesting. MaNa's PvP is his weakest match-up while TT1 has been having some success in PvP according to TLPD.
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:16:27
October 14 2011 16:16 GMT
#727
On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D


You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG.
Si vis pacem para bellum
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:18:02
October 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#728
On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D


ye close just these days.
the gap will exist forever in terms of RTS games.
so its not a big deal
the europeans cant ALWAYS be better at every single tournament
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:18:04
October 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#729
Nice batch of pictures. Surprised FD isn't wearing his StarTale jersey though.
#TeamBuLba
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#730
On October 15 2011 01:16 Brainiac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D


You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG.


Honestly, the best players here are pretty much DRG, TOP, and Mana. Everyone else are a class below.

I'd be shocked if one of those 3 don't win.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:18:20
October 14 2011 16:18 GMT
#731
On October 15 2011 01:16 Brainiac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D


You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG.

Strelok, Sjow, Mana and Elfi is not a bad line-up for europe. It's not like the best NA-players are here
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 14 2011 16:18 GMT
#732
Love the photos. FD looking like a drug dealer. :D Pretty nice games so far today.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
October 14 2011 16:19 GMT
#733
This tournament seems to be very even so far. I'm loving it
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
October 14 2011 16:19 GMT
#734
Really nice pictures. OMG Top so cute.
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:21:04
October 14 2011 16:19 GMT
#735
On October 15 2011 01:10 TrentGear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:03 Daralii wrote:

To a lot of people, SC is the only game allowed to be an eSport. You get the same type of hate for:

HoN
DotA
CoD
Halo
CS
Quake

Yeah, but we should support all e-sports, if League has insane viewer counts that *awesome* for everyone who likes esports. To have hating of any sort on another game in op is all sorts of BM.

It is not as active as booing the Halo award ceremony, but it still should not be there.


Because the only relationships possible are love and hate, nothing exists in between right?

I've no idea why people keep forcing this issue of "support everything", if anything it only generates more hate than support. People who like LoL will support and watch LoL, people who like Starcraft will support and watch Starcraft, everyone is happy.

Well, everyone except people who care about the concept of e-sports more than the actual games, and I kinda don't mind them being unhappy. -_-
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#736
On October 15 2011 01:16 WaSa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:13 Malstriks wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:12 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:08 hippocritical wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:05 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:02 Malstriks wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:56 Asha` wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:55 Malstriks wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:53 oogieogie wrote:
yea i feel bad for axslav/incontrol/painuser (does he still play?) since they arn't doing well at all..probably missing someone


painuser mostly casts now (correct me if I'm wrong). and just a wild guess but I'm guessing Axslav/incontrol don't practice as much as other top foreigners and this is why their results aren't very good. I could 100% be wrong, but this is usually the case (as seen in school/studying, and other sports)


Axslav and Incontrol live and practice full time in the EG house...

Painuser still plays a little but is predominantly casting for IGN, he did make a pretty respectable run in the MLG open bracket last time out before getting crushed by HerO


Source with their practice hours?


it has been stated many times on throgh Various show ITG/SOTG. they pratice 11am-3pm then have a break then 4 more hours couple hours later


It usually isn't the amount of hours put in, which I guess on the NA ladder after a certain point you can only get so good. The quality of practice aside from Idra and Demuslim in the EG house probably isn't nearly as fearsome as the EU/KR players. So it could just be Axslav vs Strifecro 8 hours worth of practice, which doesn't sound nearly as impressive.



Many people are just not that talented. It's not just quality of practice and hours put in, talent is a huge factor.


I disagree entirely with this post. I believe anyone can become a professional player in SC2 if they practice correctly and for long enough. If someone practices 15 hours a day for 5 years and they start off with no "talent" (btw what is your definition of talent?) I refuse to believe they could easily become a TOP professional player.


He didn't say you can't be a professional player but that talent matters in that it's easier (to learn or) to perform at pro level.

If you deny this you deny the very existence of "talent".


He never said that talent matters in that it's easier to learn or perform at pro level. He said talent is a "huge factor" in playing at a pro level. As in, if you don't have talent, your ability to perform at a pro level is greatly hindered. I disagree with this. I only agree with the idea that talent makes it easier to learn, but is not a factor in determining who is a better player. That is when methodical practice and hard work come into play.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#737
On October 15 2011 01:19 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
This tournament seems to be very even so far. I'm loving it


Yep. TOP the only one who managed to win his first 2 games .
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#738
On October 15 2011 01:18 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:16 Brainiac wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D


You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG.

Strelok, Sjow, Mana and Elfi is not a bad line-up for europe. It's not like the best NA-players are here


I would say that for the players you listed only Mana is good. Strelok is kinda meh lately. Sjow is unfortunately too slow for this game, and elfi had like one good run in tournaments.
Si vis pacem para bellum
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 14 2011 16:21 GMT
#739
toss day? :p
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 14 2011 16:21 GMT
#740
That pic of FD is HILARIOUS.
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