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Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
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On October 15 2011 01:31 Brainiac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:28 s4life wrote:On October 15 2011 01:20 Brainiac wrote:On October 15 2011 01:18 Maenander wrote:On October 15 2011 01:16 Brainiac wrote:On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG. Strelok, Sjow, Mana and Elfi is not a bad line-up for europe. It's not like the best NA-players are here  I would say that for the players you listed only Mana is good. Strelok is kinda meh lately. Sjow is unfortunately too slow for this game, and elfi had like one good run in tournaments. Nah they all are top players.. Sjow is a proven Code A-level player. Strelok is hitting a rough patch but he can come back at any time and Elfi, though new, he's shown he can win tournaments... Mana, well he's the best protoss in Europe.. so.. How is Sjow proven Code - A level player? He got invited to Code A, and he got stomped in his match in Ro16. He won vs MakaPrime in Ro32, but if you watched those game you'll notice that he lucked out hard. I've said Mana is good, not denying that. Elfi lost to Edge (who the hell is that), I think it says a lot.
He got invited into Code A based on the exchange program, and maintained his Code A status. What would you qualify as a "proven Code A player" aside from getting into Code A and maintaining Code A status.
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I miss the start of day 2, does Mana needs to win vs TT1 to advance? He did lose 1:2 to Top and won 2:0 vs pokebunny right?
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On October 15 2011 01:32 Silvanel wrote:
I miss the start of day 2, does Mana needs to win vs TT1 to advance? He did lose 1:2 to Top and won 2:0 vs pokebunny right?
Yes. Mana must win to advance.
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On October 15 2011 01:31 jj33 wrote:
Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
Actually, science has proven that wrong
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On October 15 2011 01:32 Silvanel wrote:
I miss the start of day 2, does Mana needs to win vs TT1 to advance? He did lose 1:2 to Top and won 2:0 vs pokebunny right?
Top is already through and winner of tt1 and mana goes through as well yes
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On October 15 2011 01:13 heyoka wrote:
First batch of photos from today just went up!
Get some cosplaying girl have a photo with Waxangel ^^
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MaNa beat White-Ra, ToD and Socke in PvP back to back to qualify for New York, I'd give him an edge here.
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On October 15 2011 01:30 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:22 ramon wrote:On October 15 2011 01:12 setzer wrote:On October 15 2011 01:08 Sina92 wrote:
about APM im LoL / HoN / Dota: 85% of your APM goes into just spamming rightclick, as you only have ONE unit to control.
Also, SC2 doesn't show your APM (which should be actions per sc2 minutes tbh) anymore.
GG Fruitdealer My question is why would APM even be relevant in a game like LoL or DoTA? You can accomplish the same thing with 20 APM if you time your moves correctly. The fact that there is little to no multitasking in that type of game tells me that APM is relatively useless measurement. more apm -> more movement -> more unpredictable also you need more map awareness than in lol as you basically have to watch every fight on the map all the time to know when you need to help/what's happening/use global ults +pet skills and items that give pets Pet skills and items that give pets aren't as relevant in League of Legends, most of that stuff is automatic with the most a player having to do is press alt + click to have their pet target something. That last part is more relevant for Dota or HoN though because you can have a large number of pets or converted creeps to control depending on who and how you're playing.
i know, but original post was about mobas in general
enough derailing - is the stream on the sidebar still correct, are they just taking a break or switching streams?
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On October 15 2011 01:33 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:31 jj33 wrote:
Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
Actually, science has proven that wrong
proven what wrong?
that talent is not a factor?
you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?
We are all created completely the same then right?
Please. Show me this so called science.
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On October 15 2011 01:34 StarVe wrote:
MaNa beat White-Ra, ToD and Socke in PvP back to back to qualify for New York, I'd give him an edge here.
Mana should win that ez. TT1 was never really good, he bases his play mainly on 2 base allins in non PvP matchups, don't really wanna see him advance.
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On October 15 2011 01:31 Brainiac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:28 s4life wrote:On October 15 2011 01:20 Brainiac wrote:On October 15 2011 01:18 Maenander wrote:On October 15 2011 01:16 Brainiac wrote:On October 15 2011 01:14 Maenander wrote:
European players are not performing well so far.
The gap between EU and NA seems to close :D You should take into consideration that most of the players in that tournament is medicore at best. The best players are at MLG. Strelok, Sjow, Mana and Elfi is not a bad line-up for europe. It's not like the best NA-players are here I would say that for the players you listed only Mana is good. Strelok is kinda meh lately. Sjow is unfortunately too slow for this game, and elfi had like one good run in tournaments. Nah they all are top players.. Sjow is a proven Code A-level player. Strelok is hitting a rough patch but he can come back at any time and Elfi, though new, he's shown he can win tournaments... Mana, well he's the best protoss in Europe.. so.. How is Sjow proven Code - A level player? He got invited to Code A, and he got stomped in his match in Ro16. He won vs MakaPrime in Ro32, but if you watched those game you'll notice that he lucked out hard. I've said Mana is good, not denying that. Elfi lost to Edge (who the hell is that), I think it says a lot.
To be fair, his ro16 match was against the guy, who won the tournament 4:0. Bomber said that Sjow has Code-S-level TvT. And losing in the group stage to edge makes elfi a bad player? So I guess, DRG is bad to, because he lost to Gatored...
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some serious inception going on...
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On October 15 2011 01:31 jj33 wrote:
Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
Like any other top activity, its 99% practise 1% talent.
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proven what wrong?
that talent is not a factor?
you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?
Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english
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On October 15 2011 01:36 Lorizean wrote:
some serious inception going on...
streamception
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On October 15 2011 01:36 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:31 jj33 wrote:
Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
Like any other top activity, its 99% practise 1% talent.
wrong.
So if you play basketball and train as hard as Kobe Bryant, you are saying you can be a pro like him and be as good as him?
Talent is huuuuuge factor.
You can train a random joe schmoe to play sc2 and most of them probably will not be able to get out of platinum much less lower leagues.
Talent is a huge factor in most things in life. Some people are just that much more talented than others.
If you believe otherwise you are deluding yourselves to probably feel better than you are not extremely talented at something.
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Hope MaNa wins and gets lucky with not having to play a quarter final today (clearly not his day).
@ talent vs practice
Hard Work > Talent
but
Hard Work + Talent >>> Hard Work
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On October 15 2011 01:33 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 01:31 jj33 wrote:
Anybody who thinks talent is not a huge factor to play at the highest level is deluding themselves.
Sc is a strategy game. You can't teach certain things like on the spot decision making. Guys like savior from bw would make magnificent moves that were not predetermined, but on the spot adapted strategical decisions.
If i played chess 24/7, that doesn't mean I'll be as good as Bobby fisher. People are created differently.
hard work and training is definitely a huge factor, but talent is another huge factor.
Guys like Jaedong/Flash from bw, do you think they are a dime a dozen?
They are extremely good, not just because they train hard, but also because they are extremely talented.
Look at Stephano, he's another example, he's obviously naturally talented at this game.
Actually, science has proven that wrong
science hasn't proven anything, i am a psychologist (basically studying nature and nurture) and it is one of the most debated topic
at most studies hint at every ability having different parts being controlled by one or the other
example (made up): chess skill is only genetic, monopoly skill only learned
example (real): whether you use a seatbelt is determined 72% by your genes, whether you use a helmet only 20% (factor analysis)
it doesn't make logical sense why certain things are more genetical than others, so it is pretty useless to argue about it
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