• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:45
CEST 12:45
KST 19:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.7Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson." Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Best crypto recovery experts in the world Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32842 users

IEM New York - Day 2 Coverage - Page 21

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
2336 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 117 Next
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:17:01
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#401
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#402
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#403
On October 15 2011 00:14 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:13 BronzeKnee wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 Pajegetc wrote:
when in doubt, 1-1-1 the better player out.


Exactly. I doubt there any one base push in any match up that has near the win percentage that the 1-1-1 does in TvP. At least you can pick off the Tanks now with Immortals.

Before the nerfs and lots of Zerg tears 2 rax bunker rushing against 15 hatch had same win rate.


Poor Zergs, getting punished when they were being greedy expanding with no units... heartbreaking. :-(
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#404
On October 15 2011 00:14 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:12 Kevan wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:11 Kilby wrote:
That seems like a pretty strong build by TOP. Really difficult to hold back if protoss is greedy and takes his expansion too early.


I thought it is better to do a really fast expand vs 1-1-1?


I have no idea if that is so but for me that sounds odd. How are you supposed to defeat it without units?


It's the only way to have enough Immortals + Gateway units to hold it off. You sometimes even need to pull probes :/
Shew
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States460 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#405
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?
http://www.twitch.tv/shew_tv | @ClarityShew on Twitter~
iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#406
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?

Yes sir
(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻ OW YEAH!!
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#407
Very nice opening and transition from Mana
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#408
On October 15 2011 00:12 Dr_Jones wrote:
OK, FINE. I WILL SWITCH TO TERRAN AND ONEBASE MY WAY TO MASTERS. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, BLIZZARD, I GUESS IT IS TIME TO OBEY.

and in the process, make the entertainment value of the game sink for all the other people who still play it...


a 80 percent winrate in pvt wont be enough to get into masters since you wont win a single tvt or tvz
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:17:48
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#409
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?

Yes, sometimes it is a slideshow and sometimes it completely stops.
TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#410
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?


Yeah
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#411
On October 15 2011 00:15 Caesarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote:
sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/

yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded


Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes

Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT

42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close

TOP is 0-1 (wow)
Mana is 21-6 (also wow)

Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma


Yeah, MaNa is a beast vT and especially on Taldarim.


It really looks like it. That list continues with some amazing Terrans

Sjow, Nada, Tarson, Fenix oh my
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#412
On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.


Nice edit lol. It was obviously a good trade for TOP.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#413
I love how people ignore that Mana has held 1-1-1s from both puma and Demuslim. But yeah guys 1-1-1 totally OP.

Lets ignore that Mana lost 16 Probes.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#414
On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote:
sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/

yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded


Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes

Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT

42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close

TOP is 0-1 (wow)
Mana is 21-6 (also wow)

Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma

Maybe you should look at the korean TLPD -.-
He's 6-2 on Tal darim
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Audigy
Profile Joined February 2009
United States200 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#415
nice macro game so far... lets see if top can win this one
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#416
On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote:
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.


I've seen mana holding 1-1-1 even before the patch. Granted it wasn't a player of Top's caliber but still.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#417
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?


Pretty much every time there is an engagement. Sound continues, graphics lag out.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#418
On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote:
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.


4Gate is actually pretty dead.....so.....uh......I'm not sure what your point is there.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#419
Saw FruitDealer preparing against Axslav by checking his history for build orders lol
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#420
On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.


that is a retarded statement to say the least
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 117 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #94
CranKy Ducklings131
LiquipediaDiscussion
GSL Code S
08:00
Semi-Finals & Finals
Rogue vs ClassicLIVE!
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .132
Rex 70
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6219
Rain 5553
Bisu 2549
Horang2 1123
Pusan 765
Larva 707
BeSt 398
Stork 268
Mini 206
EffOrt 146
[ Show more ]
Leta 126
Hyun 112
hero 106
Last 105
Soulkey 99
Killer 89
sSak 56
ToSsGirL 54
Aegong 38
ZerO 38
Shinee 25
HiyA 20
JulyZerg 17
Movie 8
Noble 8
ivOry 6
SilentControl 6
Hm[arnc] 5
eros_byul 0
sas.Sziky 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe524
Fuzer 199
Pyrionflax136
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1087
flusha483
edward99
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0368
Mew2King125
Westballz26
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor286
Other Games
singsing1721
XaKoH 226
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12407
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4637
Other Games
gamesdonequick634
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 42
• Adnapsc2 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2134
League of Legends
• Stunt593
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Qualifier
5h 15m
BSL: ProLeague
7h 15m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
13h 15m
Wardi Open
1d
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.