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On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote: itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos
Haha, you missed the game didn't you.
He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.
Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.
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The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)
and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.
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On October 15 2011 00:14 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:13 BronzeKnee wrote:On October 15 2011 00:09 Pajegetc wrote: when in doubt, 1-1-1 the better player out. Exactly. I doubt there any one base push in any match up that has near the win percentage that the 1-1-1 does in TvP. At least you can pick off the Tanks now with Immortals. Before the nerfs and lots of Zerg tears 2 rax bunker rushing against 15 hatch had same win rate.
Poor Zergs, getting punished when they were being greedy expanding with no units... heartbreaking. :-(
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On October 15 2011 00:14 Kilby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:12 Kevan wrote:On October 15 2011 00:11 Kilby wrote: That seems like a pretty strong build by TOP. Really difficult to hold back if protoss is greedy and takes his expansion too early. I thought it is better to do a really fast expand vs 1-1-1? I have no idea if that is so but for me that sounds odd. How are you supposed to defeat it without units?
It's the only way to have enough Immortals + Gateway units to hold it off. You sometimes even need to pull probes :/
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is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?
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On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote: is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times? Yes sir
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Very nice opening and transition from Mana
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On October 15 2011 00:12 Dr_Jones wrote: OK, FINE. I WILL SWITCH TO TERRAN AND ONEBASE MY WAY TO MASTERS. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, BLIZZARD, I GUESS IT IS TIME TO OBEY.
and in the process, make the entertainment value of the game sink for all the other people who still play it...
a 80 percent winrate in pvt wont be enough to get into masters since you wont win a single tvt or tvz
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On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote: is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times? Yes, sometimes it is a slideshow and sometimes it completely stops.
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On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote: is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?
Yeah
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:15 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote: sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/
yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT 42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close TOP is 0-1 (wow) Mana is 21-6 (also wow) Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma Yeah, MaNa is a beast vT and especially on Taldarim.
It really looks like it. That list continues with some amazing Terrans
Sjow, Nada, Tarson, Fenix oh my
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On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote: itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos Haha, you missed the game didn't you. He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage. Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.
Nice edit lol. It was obviously a good trade for TOP.
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I love how people ignore that Mana has held 1-1-1s from both puma and Demuslim. But yeah guys 1-1-1 totally OP.
Lets ignore that Mana lost 16 Probes.
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On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote: sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/
yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT 42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close TOP is 0-1 (wow) Mana is 21-6 (also wow) Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma Maybe you should look at the korean TLPD -.- He's 6-2 on Tal darim
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nice macro game so far... lets see if top can win this one
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On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote: The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)
and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.
I've seen mana holding 1-1-1 even before the patch. Granted it wasn't a player of Top's caliber but still.
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On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote: is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?
Pretty much every time there is an engagement. Sound continues, graphics lag out.
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On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote: The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)
and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.
4Gate is actually pretty dead.....so.....uh......I'm not sure what your point is there.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Saw FruitDealer preparing against Axslav by checking his history for build orders lol
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On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote: itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos Haha, you missed the game didn't you. He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage. Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.
that is a retarded statement to say the least
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