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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:17:01
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#401
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#402
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#403
On October 15 2011 00:14 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:13 BronzeKnee wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 Pajegetc wrote:
when in doubt, 1-1-1 the better player out.


Exactly. I doubt there any one base push in any match up that has near the win percentage that the 1-1-1 does in TvP. At least you can pick off the Tanks now with Immortals.

Before the nerfs and lots of Zerg tears 2 rax bunker rushing against 15 hatch had same win rate.


Poor Zergs, getting punished when they were being greedy expanding with no units... heartbreaking. :-(
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
October 14 2011 15:16 GMT
#404
On October 15 2011 00:14 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:12 Kevan wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:11 Kilby wrote:
That seems like a pretty strong build by TOP. Really difficult to hold back if protoss is greedy and takes his expansion too early.


I thought it is better to do a really fast expand vs 1-1-1?


I have no idea if that is so but for me that sounds odd. How are you supposed to defeat it without units?


It's the only way to have enough Immortals + Gateway units to hold it off. You sometimes even need to pull probes :/
Shew
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States460 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#405
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?
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iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#406
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?

Yes sir
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usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#407
Very nice opening and transition from Mana
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#408
On October 15 2011 00:12 Dr_Jones wrote:
OK, FINE. I WILL SWITCH TO TERRAN AND ONEBASE MY WAY TO MASTERS. I KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, BLIZZARD, I GUESS IT IS TIME TO OBEY.

and in the process, make the entertainment value of the game sink for all the other people who still play it...


a 80 percent winrate in pvt wont be enough to get into masters since you wont win a single tvt or tvz
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:17:48
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#409
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?

Yes, sometimes it is a slideshow and sometimes it completely stops.
TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#410
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?


Yeah
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#411
On October 15 2011 00:15 Caesarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote:
sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/

yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded


Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes

Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT

42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close

TOP is 0-1 (wow)
Mana is 21-6 (also wow)

Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma


Yeah, MaNa is a beast vT and especially on Taldarim.


It really looks like it. That list continues with some amazing Terrans

Sjow, Nada, Tarson, Fenix oh my
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#412
On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.


Nice edit lol. It was obviously a good trade for TOP.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#413
I love how people ignore that Mana has held 1-1-1s from both puma and Demuslim. But yeah guys 1-1-1 totally OP.

Lets ignore that Mana lost 16 Probes.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
October 14 2011 15:17 GMT
#414
On October 15 2011 00:14 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:10 humbre wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:09 zerker2strong wrote:
sup i can wint macro from toss lol i go 1/1/1/

yes and the fact he lost 25 probes to harass had nothing with his loss, LOL people are retarded


Was gonna say. mana could have held that if he had his probes

Anywho, Tal'Darim Altar PvT

42-39 in favour of Terran, still pretty close

TOP is 0-1 (wow)
Mana is 21-6 (also wow)

Again, Mana's wins include Demuslim and Puma

Maybe you should look at the korean TLPD -.-
He's 6-2 on Tal darim
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Audigy
Profile Joined February 2009
United States200 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#415
nice macro game so far... lets see if top can win this one
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#416
On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote:
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.


I've seen mana holding 1-1-1 even before the patch. Granted it wasn't a player of Top's caliber but still.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#417
On October 15 2011 00:17 Shew wrote:
is the stream lagging for anyone else really bad at random times?


Pretty much every time there is an engagement. Sound continues, graphics lag out.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#418
On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote:
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.


4Gate is actually pretty dead.....so.....uh......I'm not sure what your point is there.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#419
Saw FruitDealer preparing against Axslav by checking his history for build orders lol
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 14 2011 15:18 GMT
#420
On October 15 2011 00:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:14 doko100 wrote:
itt, protoss players whining about balance, completely ignoring that mana lost 25 probes to banshee harrass. get em retardos


Haha, you missed the game didn't you.

He lost 16 probes to a Hellion/Marine drop, and Top lost all of his Marines and Hellions in order to do that damage.

Of course when you have access to units that kill workers so efficiently in the early game, you can afford to lose the Hellions and Marines and get ahead.


that is a retarded statement to say the least
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