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Standard LR thread rules apply. No caster bashing, no insulting the interviewers, no player bashing, no balance whining. Bans will be doled out to violators so don't shit up this thread with immature garbage.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5941
Poor White Ra probably shouldn't have gone for FFE though
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5942
On October 09 2011 04:35 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:34 laharl23 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:31 Noocta wrote:
Protoss don't prepare for roachling pressure anymore these days, and they love to FFE on non FFE maps.
Good read by Slush.


he sent two probes to scout for it but got denied.

theres no point preparing for something you haven't scouted, its a waste of minerals if slush is playing normal.

he had to take a risk, either blindly put down two cannons and be behind or hope slush wasn't roach rushing him.

what other choice does he really have?

he saw speedling expand which noone does anymore, that should put him on alarm not to play FFE which is opposite of safe-play ... sigh


what? watch any DRG game, he always opens up speedling expand.

so everytime you are vs speedling expand=put up 4 cannons cause he MUST be roach rushing.

give me a break buddy
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5943
I like the fact that all these games have everything on the line... no losers bracket! Adds to the excitement that sometimes is missing at MLG!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5944
On October 09 2011 04:33 phate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:32 mcc wrote:
Slush plays so risky, this game it was ok, but last game showed how unstable his ZvP is, gathering 1500/1500 resources leaves him open to such gigantic timing window.


Not in this case, he'd scouted the double expand for white-ra and knew he had a huge window where he would be under no pressure.

I said that this case was ok, but it seems it is his default ZvP, that was what I was commenting on.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5945
On October 09 2011 04:35 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:31 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:29 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:27 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:25 city42 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:20 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:16 minhbq299 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:07 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 Whiteman103 wrote:
[quote]

yes NASL finales


did you watch those games ?
He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-


he didn't 1-1-1 at all, get your facts straight.


LOL he did 1-1-1 2 out of 3 games played, it's a best of 5 not best of 7 like someone said, did you even watch the game, PUMA is the most disgusting player ever, he always throw 1-1-1 in hard situation.



NO HE DIDNT 1-1-1 IN THE NASL FINALS GODAMMNIT

He DID 1-1-1 on Gulch. The 1-1-1 is not an all-in push. It simply means going fast starport on 1 rax. He identified a situation where the push was likely to fail, and took a hidden second expansion.


We are talking about the 1/1/1 push here, genius, not banshee harrass. /facepalm


Terrans are not allowed to even make a banshee for harrass, this is 1-1-1 all-in IMBA (which is exactly what PuMa did in two games in the NASL finals). Both of the games ended up being macro games, no one at the time cried imbalance or OMG NOOB 1-1-1.


NO, Puma did not 1-1-1 ALL IN in the NASL Finals, what is wrong with everyone?


But he won!

He must have cheesed!

Don´t bother responding to those posts who didn´t even watch the games and yet cry. Apparently 1-1-1 can mean

1-Rax 1 Fact 1 Starport
to
1- rax- 1 CC 1 Bunker
and lets not forget
1- rax 1- tech lab 1- concussive shell

Its especially bafflig after Top said in an interview that protoss are now holding the 1-1-1 Better

+ Show Spoiler +
Question:questions from the fans, how to handle the 1-1-1 in TvP? any tactics for protoss?

TOP - usually tosses block 1-1-1 well... one thing is going robo builds, if you do that you can match the terran well, with the immmortal range buff, hide the immortal, then snipe the tank with the hidden immortal might be a better way

Huk also said he would hold the 1/1/1 and then got owned.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5946
On October 09 2011 04:35 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:34 deathly rat wrote:
game 3: tal:darim altar

Slush top left, white ra bottom right


slush goes 14 gas 14 pool, WR forge first


pylon block placed at slush expo, WR expo and cannon gateway wall off

slush expo
No logo (logo)
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5947
On October 09 2011 04:35 furinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
XD, "subtle" Moletrap diss was perfect.


what did he say i couldnt catch it.

I didn't hear the diss or I didn't understand it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
October 08 2011 19:36 GMT
#5948
lol,

obviously 1-1-1 doesn't win all the time, so 1 or 2 protoss will get a couple of wins against it...
doesn't mean that it isn't still to hard to hold compared to the execution and skill needed.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:37:25
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5949
wait people seem to think whitera was boned and want to report me for my ff comment?
he was behind but he wasn't in an unwinnable situation

he had enough stalkers and sentries + cannons in the third to hold off the mutas, all he had to do was ff the choke properly, in his natural he had 4+ cannons with a ton of stalkers that could have held off the impending ling/muta attack after getting ff'd out of the 3rd, he had blink nearly finished and he would have teched to either storms or colossi, depending on how many mutas there were
i don't know why you guys are getting angry with my comment, but he really did lose that game due to the forcefields
lalala
BlindSC2
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom435 Posts
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5950
stream massively lagging for anyone else?
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools; because they have to say something - Plato
Meself
Profile Joined February 2011
Estonia552 Posts
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5951
Haha was Catz owning moletrap right now?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5952
On October 09 2011 04:35 Xxavi wrote:
Why do people want to get others banned so often?

Grow up, this is what sports brings - emotional fans. Don't try to make this academic discussion for fuck's sake. Go on and visit online fans forums for soccer etc., people are emotional, whining about this and that. It's normal, and it is supposed to be like that, not an academic discussion.


Sorry people who complain about balance should be banned its very irritating when the other player clearly out played his opponent and played very well but gets no credit because supposedly his race is imbalanced. It was annoying when zergs did it (yes i'm zerg) and its annoying when terran/tosses do it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5953
On October 09 2011 04:33 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:29 WickedBit wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:26 vende wrote:
get allin'd
@
DOUBLE EXPAND


i don't think that was all in. A hatch cancel would have been one but that was a good read by slush that he can cause enough economic damage and it worked out well for him. I think more zerg's should try and do heavy nydus attacks or roach ling pressure after ffe otherwise toss gets too much lead with faster nexus.


An all-in is an attack that requires you to do a large amount of damage in order to survive.

Slush cut like 12 drones... that's an all-in. He did a large amount of damage, so he came out ahead.


All-ins are fine tactics though... people just wield the word like it is something evil.


Lol. You confused "big timing attack" with "all-in." You have so many posts i PRAY you watch BW. Was the Marine-Medic-1 Tank timing an all in? You HAD to damage Zerg to stay even, but how many times did a Terran only slow down the third, not deal real damage, fall a bit behind, but expanded, got some workers and won later anyways?

All in means you either win RIGHT NOW or you lose. Slush did a really strong timing and as long as he did damage he was fine and could get even or ahead. WOAH MY GOD.

Again: ALL IN, means ALL IN. No followup, no later plan, just win now or lose. Pulling all your scvs = all-in'ing. Canceling your FE = all in. Building early Roaches and Lings to punish a greedy opening then dealing damage and droning+expanding = big push.

The JYP and Anypro 7 gate attacks are not all in but are almost identical in principle to what Slush did.
One Love
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
October 08 2011 19:37 GMT
#5954
On October 09 2011 04:36 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:35 windsupernova wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:31 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:29 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:27 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:25 city42 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:20 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:16 minhbq299 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:07 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
[quote]

did you watch those games ?
He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-


he didn't 1-1-1 at all, get your facts straight.


LOL he did 1-1-1 2 out of 3 games played, it's a best of 5 not best of 7 like someone said, did you even watch the game, PUMA is the most disgusting player ever, he always throw 1-1-1 in hard situation.



NO HE DIDNT 1-1-1 IN THE NASL FINALS GODAMMNIT

He DID 1-1-1 on Gulch. The 1-1-1 is not an all-in push. It simply means going fast starport on 1 rax. He identified a situation where the push was likely to fail, and took a hidden second expansion.


We are talking about the 1/1/1 push here, genius, not banshee harrass. /facepalm


Terrans are not allowed to even make a banshee for harrass, this is 1-1-1 all-in IMBA (which is exactly what PuMa did in two games in the NASL finals). Both of the games ended up being macro games, no one at the time cried imbalance or OMG NOOB 1-1-1.


NO, Puma did not 1-1-1 ALL IN in the NASL Finals, what is wrong with everyone?


But he won!

He must have cheesed!

Don´t bother responding to those posts who didn´t even watch the games and yet cry. Apparently 1-1-1 can mean

1-Rax 1 Fact 1 Starport
to
1- rax- 1 CC 1 Bunker
and lets not forget
1- rax 1- tech lab 1- concussive shell

Its especially bafflig after Top said in an interview that protoss are now holding the 1-1-1 Better

+ Show Spoiler +
Question:questions from the fans, how to handle the 1-1-1 in TvP? any tactics for protoss?

TOP - usually tosses block 1-1-1 well... one thing is going robo builds, if you do that you can match the terran well, with the immmortal range buff, hide the immortal, then snipe the tank with the hidden immortal might be a better way

Huk also said he would hold the 1/1/1 and then got owned.


You guys know that 2 other games took place while you were arguing right?
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5955
On October 09 2011 04:36 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:35 deathly rat wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:34 deathly rat wrote:
game 3: tal:darim altar

Slush top left, white ra bottom right


slush goes 14 gas 14 pool, WR forge first


pylon block placed at slush expo, WR expo and cannon gateway wall off

slush expo


6:00 stargate for WR, slush just drones
No logo (logo)
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5956
On October 09 2011 04:37 Meself wrote:
Haha was Catz owning moletrap right now?


Wrong player/caster?
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5957
On October 09 2011 04:36 julianto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:35 furinox wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:35 FuzzyJAM wrote:
XD, "subtle" Moletrap diss was perfect.


what did he say i couldnt catch it.

I didn't hear the diss or I didn't understand it.

Cats appologized for interrupting Doa who responded with "It's ok I've gotten training" or something along those lines.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5958
On October 09 2011 04:37 youngminii wrote:
wait people seem to think whitera was boned and want to report me for my ff comment?
he was behind but he wasn't in an unwinnable situation

he had enough stalkers and sentries + cannons in the third to hold off the mutas, all he had to do was ff the choke properly, in his natural he had 4+ cannons with a ton of stalkers that could have held off the impending ling/muta attack after getting ff'd out of the 3rd, he had blink nearly finished and he would have teched to either storms or colossi, depending on how many mutas there were
i don't know why you guys are getting angry with my comment, but he really did lose that game due to the forcefields


I agree with you. He might have lost the 2nd game anyways since slush had a macro lead. But he could have held off the lings MUCH better with 2 or 3 well-placed forcefields.
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
furcifer
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway54 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5959
slush rushing for mutas i guess
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
October 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#5960
On October 09 2011 04:35 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:34 laharl23 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:31 Noocta wrote:
Protoss don't prepare for roachling pressure anymore these days, and they love to FFE on non FFE maps.
Good read by Slush.


he sent two probes to scout for it but got denied.

theres no point preparing for something you haven't scouted, its a waste of minerals if slush is playing normal.

he had to take a risk, either blindly put down two cannons and be behind or hope slush wasn't roach rushing him.

what other choice does he really have?

he saw speedling expand which noone does anymore, that should put him on alarm not to play FFE which is opposite of safe-play ... sigh


What the hell... no one does speedling expand? That is and has for a long time been the most standard ZvP opening.
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