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On October 24 2011 07:51 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:40 Azarkon wrote:
Last I checked, Europe has 730 million people. Don't argue that Russia and Ukraine aren't part of "EU" when you factor players like Dimaga, White-Ra, and Strelok in the "EU" equation. Ahh good point bro! But following your point, we have to include South America now, since you play on one server too! So it's 350mill + 350mill = 700 mill people 
But following that logic, people from the Middle-East, India, Africa, etc. are closer to Europe geographically and do not have their own servers so it's 700 million vs. 3+ billion. 
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On October 24 2011 07:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:51 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 07:40 Azarkon wrote:
Last I checked, Europe has 730 million people. Don't argue that Russia and Ukraine aren't part of "EU" when you factor players like Dimaga, White-Ra, and Strelok in the "EU" equation. Ahh good point bro! But following your point, we have to include South America now, since you play on one server too! So it's 350mill + 350mill = 700 mill people But following that logic, people from the Middle-East, India, Africa, etc. are closer to Europe geographically and do not have their own servers so it's 700 million vs. 3+ billion.
You're forgetting that the US is closer to mars and everywhere else aliens come from, otherwise why would they all always land in the US?
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On October 24 2011 06:52 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:44 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:37 Deckkie wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
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We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*
The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.
(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Isnt this a little EU bias? Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much. I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong) But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well. You may be right, but come on... Stephano, Naniwa,Thorzain, MaNa, Grubby, MorroW, Dimaga, Demuslim, ToD, Nerchio, ClouD, SaSe, SjoW, White-ra, Elfi, Ret, Hasuobs, Darkforce... Idra, HuK, Kiwikaki, Select. You could add Major (aka Terran) and Sheth to the NA players if you want, but who else? As example, Slush is a player that always seems to do well. For what I see the NA scene doesnt give him any credit because they dont see him win a tournament. In EU this would never happen. He would get all the credit he deserves and we would definatly name him in the list of out strong players.
In terms of NA players who could hang with anyone on that list, who don't get enough credit: Gatored, DDE, Kawaiirice and many others
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Look at this beautiful discussion. For months and months, the koreans have destroyed everyone in their path. Then we have four foreign won tournaments over the course of one month, where strong koreans participated. But we know better than to be happy and thankful for this unforseen development. Instead we chose the wise path of beating each other up, with fistfuls of knowledge about which players are overhyped by how much and which side of the atlantic ocean is the more powerful (and of course which continent has more citizens, that is of essential importance). And well documented conspiracy-theories show us that foreign governments set up tournaments in a way to ensure the dominance of the western world (NO BOOTHS, AND THE CASTERS EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THE COUNTRY THEY ARE IN, MADNESS I SAY!).
I am glad that such places as this thread exist, where sanity triumphs over stupidity.
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i dunno whats going on with the NA/ EU debate, EU is obviously better overall, NA has top talent as well though so no reason to bash them unless its just a wooooo EU is better cause we won this tournament against 2 koreans and 2 americans with 50 Europeans.....
i must say though im kinda suprised by how stagnant the American scene has been since release. All the big names havent changed at all.... I believe it was ToD who mentioned having a country vs country league. They had one in wc3 i forget what it was called. I think that would be a great idea for a 12 country online tourny with offline finals.
What do you guys think the top 12 countries are?
Korea
China
Taiwan
Sweeden
Germany
France
USA
Canada
Ukraine
Poland
Finland
Russia
no order just taking a shot in the dark, if those countries had 4 or 5 man teams in a whole league imagine the hype and patriotism that would surround that.
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Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra.
NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though )
So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
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Indeed - massive Hype for this list. I'd watch this tournament
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On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too.
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On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too.
Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
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On October 24 2011 01:38 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 01:32 AsnSensation wrote:On October 24 2011 01:30 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
IMO (Bring on the hate) the only person that can match Stephano for the raw and sick talent crown is LucifroN, both are scary for the amount they play (Minus Stephano's last few months as 'Not playing much' ofc but he was still scary before that) we shouldnt overrate his " I dont play much", for some people it's better to play 4 hours a day and for some its 10, playing more doesnt mean you're automatically better. And as long Lucifron doesn't show results he wont be acknowledged ( yeah I know he's quite good) You can watch any show (SotG, ItG, whatever) and literally all the pros there say you have to train 8-10 hours a day in Korea to be the best. Stephano is kind of slapping them in the face, but honestly he is the very one exception.
The fact that someone who trains so little can win tournaments says a lot about the level of competition in sc2.
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On October 24 2011 08:38 BritWrangler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 01:38 Apom wrote:On October 24 2011 01:32 AsnSensation wrote:On October 24 2011 01:30 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
IMO (Bring on the hate) the only person that can match Stephano for the raw and sick talent crown is LucifroN, both are scary for the amount they play (Minus Stephano's last few months as 'Not playing much' ofc but he was still scary before that) we shouldnt overrate his " I dont play much", for some people it's better to play 4 hours a day and for some its 10, playing more doesnt mean you're automatically better. And as long Lucifron doesn't show results he wont be acknowledged ( yeah I know he's quite good) You can watch any show (SotG, ItG, whatever) and literally all the pros there say you have to train 8-10 hours a day in Korea to be the best. Stephano is kind of slapping them in the face, but honestly he is the very one exception. The fact that someone who trains so little can win tournaments says a lot about the level of competition in sc2.
He's playing full-time now, and has been for a decent while as I understand.
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On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
What are you doing in this thread with all your fancy intelligent points??? Trying to be a smartass?
Not gonna work around here mister! Here we talk about audio cheating at tournament, stephano's number one zerg in the world spot... You know, FACTS
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On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP.
He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done.
And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach
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On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis. I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done.
The thing is that Boxer was tired too. He spent all night and all morning practicing.
With MLG's people just like to give fatigue as an excuse but both sides are fatigued.
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On October 24 2011 08:43 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis. I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. The thing is that Boxer was tired too. He spent all night and all morning practicing. With MLG's people just like to give fatigue as an excuse but both sides are fatigued.
Yea but Boxer is a legend and a very experient player and he didnt have to play the open bracket also. Stephano is a 17-18 year old kid with allmost 0 lan experience you cant even compare it. Im sure Stephano gonna work out his stamina problems soon.
Just becuase he lose 1 bo3 people goes all crazy Idra lost 1 bo3 today vs livezerg does that mean livezerg is better then idra? ofcourse not
The fact of the matter is today with another major lan tournament he has proved it again he can compete vs the best koreans. Also in 2 weeks he had earned more money then any other foreign player sicne release very impressive
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Never compare Stephano to BoxeR, that's a disgrace to e-sports.
GL to both finalists.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall whenever SlayerS gets together to study their opponents' playstyles.
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On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis. I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach
I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all.
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On October 24 2011 08:50 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis. I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all.
Stephano is not the best player in the world wtf who says that? lol. All Im saying is Stephano is amasing and what he has done without korean training is unheard off and I cant wait to see what kind of monster he gonna be when he goes to korea after Dreamhack winter
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On October 24 2011 08:53 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:50 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches. get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too. Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis. I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all. Stephano is not the best player in the world wtf who says that? lol. All Im saying is Stephano is amasing and what he has done without korean training is unheard off and I cant wait to see what kind of monster he gonna be when he goes to korea after Dreamhack winter
You should read this thread and others about this subject. The overhyping is incredible.
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