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On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.
Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.
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It IS strong. It just has less players of very high caliber than EU.
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On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?  Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.
you seem mad? I wasn't even talking to you even if I'm responding to you. I was saying to EVERYBODY to stop with the hate/fanboyism. And I haven't even compared stephano to ANYONE ever lol...why do you mention Huk and Idra >:>
and now I'm a stupid fanboy lol...
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I'll just see how he does in Code A.
We all know what happen when sase, naniwa, thorzain competed and they were couple of the best foreigners.
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Lets see what we agree on.
Can we at least agree that Stephano is the SC2 player of the Month for October?
He's won the most tournaments and prize money in that time.
We can agree that he over came any potential jitters and nerve question marks that people had about him a month ago? In regards to his lack of LAN experience?
He seems cool as a cucumber to me. But I suppose there is no metric for this, but he's at least proven he's a winner and can close out tournaments. (Can MKP say this? is he elite?)
He's come through the Complexity/Mill controvosy without a hitch in his play? Can we agree on that?
Lastly..... has Nestea ever beat Stephano? Has MVP ever beat Stephano? I'm honestly curious, because the fact that he is new and unknown is a clear advantage for him. In any competition having never lost to someone is significant.
I want to see Stephano play those guys... and SOON.... and you want to see it..... you know why? Because we don't know the outcome!
This deserves HYPE!
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On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.
IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
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Remember 8 hours ago when we were all just enjoying some Starcraft together? What the fuck happened?
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So anyone knows where i can find the vods ?
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On October 24 2011 06:22 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.
Stephano has said (and proved it with the coL deal) that he only cares about the money. That's why I don't like him. It's fine for money to be a factor (HuK for example) but I prefer players who care about the game. They play the game because they love to play the game, not because it's a way for them to make money. The latter is important ofc but it's not the sole reason like stephano.
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On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.
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On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
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1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.
2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.
3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.
EU population is about 500mill
NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable.
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On October 24 2011 06:33 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:22 Talin wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me. Stephano has said (and proved it with the coL deal) that he only cares about the money. That's why I don't like him. It's fine for money to be a factor (HuK for example) but I prefer players who care about the game. They play the game because they love to play the game, not because it's a way for them to make money. The latter is important ofc but it's not the sole reason like stephano.
They are professional players. They do this for a living. Every single sc2 professional player do it for the money. Stephano just decide to speak the truth maybe it wasnt the smartest thing to say from a PR perspective.
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On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that? 1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
Isnt this a little EU bias?
Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much.
I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong)
But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well.
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On October 24 2011 06:36 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
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Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<
Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players. EU population is about 500mill NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable.
Population size =/= amount of good players.
The amount of good players produced relies on the cultural influence of gaming of the particular country.
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On October 24 2011 06:37 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
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1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.
2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.
3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style. Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Isnt this a little EU bias? Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much. I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong) But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well.
You may be right, but come on... Stephano, Naniwa,Thorzain, MaNa, Grubby, MorroW, Dimaga, Demuslim, ToD, Nerchio, ClouD, SaSe, SjoW, White-ra, Elfi, Ret, Hasuobs, Darkforce...
Idra, HuK, Kiwikaki, Select. You could add Major (aka Terran) and Sheth to the NA players if you want, but who else?
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Jeeze this thread makes me lol.....
Stephano is really good. just goto mlgtv site listen to the 30 min video interview slasher do with MMA, mma speaks very highly about him. Also if u watched the khaldor stream today, Doa said that the top koreans were talking about him trying to figure him out.... and my guess is they are not doing that to some random scrub
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On October 24 2011 06:44 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:37 Deckkie wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
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Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<
Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure.. We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Isnt this a little EU bias? Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much. I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong) But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well. You may be right, but come on... Stephano, Naniwa,Thorzain, MaNa, Grubby, MorroW, Dimaga, Demuslim, ToD, Nerchio, ClouD, SaSe, SjoW, White-ra, Elfi, Ret, Hasuobs, Darkforce... Idra, HuK, Kiwikaki, Select. You could add Major (aka Terran) and Sheth to the NA players if you want, but who else?
As example, Slush is a player that always seems to do well. For what I see the NA scene doesnt give him any credit because they dont see him win a tournament. In EU this would never happen. He would get all the credit he deserves and we would definatly name him in the list of out strong players.
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On October 24 2011 06:39 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:36 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
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We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*
The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.
(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D) Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal. why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol? I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid. hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong. IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who? Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players. EU population is about 500mill NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable. Population size =/= amount of good players. The amount of good players produced relies on the cultural influence of gaming of the particular country.
what's your point?? we can't compare compare EU and NA because EU is better?
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