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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 23 2011 21:22 GMT
#5601
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 23 2011 21:23 GMT
#5602
It IS strong. It just has less players of very high caliber than EU.
NoiR
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
October 23 2011 21:25 GMT
#5603
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


you seem mad? I wasn't even talking to you even if I'm responding to you. I was saying to EVERYBODY to stop with the hate/fanboyism. And I haven't even compared stephano to ANYONE ever lol...why do you mention Huk and Idra >:>

and now I'm a stupid fanboy lol...
leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
October 23 2011 21:29 GMT
#5604
I'll just see how he does in Code A.
We all know what happen when sase, naniwa, thorzain competed and they were couple of the best foreigners.

dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 21:34:25
October 23 2011 21:30 GMT
#5605
Lets see what we agree on.

Can we at least agree that Stephano is the SC2 player of the Month for October?

He's won the most tournaments and prize money in that time.

We can agree that he over came any potential jitters and nerve question marks that people had about him a month ago? In regards to his lack of LAN experience?

He seems cool as a cucumber to me. But I suppose there is no metric for this, but he's at least proven he's a winner and can close out tournaments. (Can MKP say this? is he elite?)

He's come through the Complexity/Mill controvosy without a hitch in his play? Can we agree on that?

Lastly..... has Nestea ever beat Stephano? Has MVP ever beat Stephano? I'm honestly curious, because the fact that he is new and unknown is a clear advantage for him. In any competition having never lost to someone is significant.

I want to see Stephano play those guys... and SOON.... and you want to see it..... you know why? Because we don't know the outcome!

This deserves HYPE!
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
October 23 2011 21:30 GMT
#5606
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 23 2011 21:30 GMT
#5607
Remember 8 hours ago when we were all just enjoying some Starcraft together? What the fuck happened?
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
October 23 2011 21:31 GMT
#5608
So anyone knows where i can find the vods ?
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 23 2011 21:32 GMT
#5609
On October 24 2011 06:31 Uracil wrote:
So anyone knows where i can find the vods ?


Pick a stream and look under the live video section, VOD's galore.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 23 2011 21:33 GMT
#5610
On October 24 2011 06:22 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.


Stephano has said (and proved it with the coL deal) that he only cares about the money. That's why I don't like him. It's fine for money to be a factor (HuK for example) but I prefer players who care about the game. They play the game because they love to play the game, not because it's a way for them to make money. The latter is important ofc but it's not the sole reason like stephano.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
October 23 2011 21:34 GMT
#5611
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
October 23 2011 21:36 GMT
#5612
On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
[quote]

1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.


EU population is about 500mill
NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 23 2011 21:36 GMT
#5613
On October 24 2011 06:33 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:22 Talin wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.


Stephano has said (and proved it with the coL deal) that he only cares about the money. That's why I don't like him. It's fine for money to be a factor (HuK for example) but I prefer players who care about the game. They play the game because they love to play the game, not because it's a way for them to make money. The latter is important ofc but it's not the sole reason like stephano.


They are professional players. They do this for a living. Every single sc2 professional player do it for the money. Stephano just decide to speak the truth maybe it wasnt the smartest thing to say from a PR perspective.
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
October 23 2011 21:37 GMT
#5614
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?


1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Isnt this a little EU bias?
Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much.
I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong)
But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well.
Always look on the bright side of life
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
October 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#5615
On October 24 2011 06:36 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
[quote]

Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.


EU population is about 500mill
NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable.


Population size =/= amount of good players.

The amount of good players produced relies on the cultural influence of gaming of the particular country.

5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 21:45:46
October 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#5616
On October 24 2011 06:37 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
[quote]

1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.

2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.

3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.


Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Isnt this a little EU bias?
Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much.
I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong)
But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well.


You may be right, but come on... Stephano, Naniwa,Thorzain, MaNa, Grubby, MorroW, Dimaga, Demuslim, ToD, Nerchio, ClouD, SaSe, SjoW, White-ra, Elfi, Ret, Hasuobs, Darkforce...

Idra, HuK, Kiwikaki, Select. You could add Major (aka Terran) and Sheth to the NA players if you want, but who else?
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Bru
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden184 Posts
October 23 2011 21:46 GMT
#5617
Jeeze this thread makes me lol.....

Stephano is really good. just goto mlgtv site listen to the 30 min video interview slasher do with MMA, mma speaks very highly about him. Also if u watched the khaldor stream today, Doa said that the top koreans were talking about him trying to figure him out.... and my guess is they are not doing that to some random scrub
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
October 23 2011 21:52 GMT
#5618
On October 24 2011 06:44 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:37 Deckkie wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
[quote]

Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_<

Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..


We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Isnt this a little EU bias?
Because we follow all the EU players but not the NA players as much.
I often get the feeling that we give credit to players more easily than the NA players do (maybe I am wrong)
But maybe if we watched the NA scene as much as wel watched the EU scene we would accept a lot more player from the NA scene as well.


You may be right, but come on... Stephano, Naniwa,Thorzain, MaNa, Grubby, MorroW, Dimaga, Demuslim, ToD, Nerchio, ClouD, SaSe, SjoW, White-ra, Elfi, Ret, Hasuobs, Darkforce...

Idra, HuK, Kiwikaki, Select. You could add Major (aka Terran) and Sheth to the NA players if you want, but who else?


As example, Slush is a player that always seems to do well. For what I see the NA scene doesnt give him any credit because they dont see him win a tournament. In EU this would never happen. He would get all the credit he deserves and we would definatly name him in the list of out strong players.
Always look on the bright side of life
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
October 23 2011 21:52 GMT
#5619
On October 24 2011 06:39 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 06:36 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:34 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
[quote]

We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle*

The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him.

(oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)


Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.


why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:>
they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol..

this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.

oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?


I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.


hubris or not, it's true and you know it :p

note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc.

that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?


Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners.

The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.


IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?


Two countries vs an entire continent of players, who do you think is going to win numerically by amount good players.


EU population is about 500mill
NA is what. 400 mill? I think it's comparable.


Population size =/= amount of good players.

The amount of good players produced relies on the cultural influence of gaming of the particular country.




what's your point?? we can't compare compare EU and NA because EU is better?
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
October 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#5620
this is why we need soundproof booths
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