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vor
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel58 Posts
October 23 2011 08:52 GMT
#3621
ESWC 2011 - Stephano beats ClouD on main stage - crowd reaction.

+ Show Spoiler +
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
October 23 2011 08:52 GMT
#3622
On October 23 2011 17:40 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:13 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:45 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:40 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:21 ozdod wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:01 GTR wrote:
On October 23 2011 15:45 ozdod wrote:
MKP will win ESWC so he can go to the US to win MLG Providence which will get him a spot in the Blizzard Cup.



uh no, he'll place 2nd, because that's his destiny.


I can see Stephano having a chance to beat MKP. I'll be really disappointed if MKP loses to Mana or Grubby

Mana would probably beat MKP. MKPs worst MU is TvP (like, it's terrible compared to his others). And Mana's best is PvT. Manas PvT has been good enough to beat PuMa whose TvP is probably much better than MKPs.

Either way, that should be an awesome match. Really hope that's what we get in the finals.


I don't know where you're getting your info from, but mkp's tvp is one of his best matchup. It's TvT that is his worst matchup by far. MKP should roll mana if they meet, or I'll be disappointed if he plays like he did against huk.

That's exactly where I'm getting my info from. His TvP was terrible at MLG Orlando. I don't see how 1 week later, it's suddenly going to be at the form it was at a couple of months ago.


He absolutely raped MaNa in the showmatch an Mana hasn't been too impressive this event.


I talked to MaNa, and he didn't take the showmatch seriously at all. I would not count him out, his PvT is beastly
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 08:54:33
October 23 2011 08:52 GMT
#3623
IMO it'll go something like this:
Marineking 60% vs Stephano 40% and Grubby 45% vs MaNa 55%

Although Marineking is Korean and one of the best, Stephano is like Nestea of foreigners, so he has a good chance. I mean have you seen Nestea vs MVP winners bracket finals first game? Stephano has mastered this upgraded lings + infestors and we saw how it works in IPL 3. But yeah... it's Marineking for F*** SAKE!

MaNa vs Grubby is a lot tougher to predict. Grubby slowly but steadly pulled up his skill level and now he is able to win with the likes of Nerchio or LiveZerg aka "the Russian guy who beat IdrA".
His Korean training is paying off as we could also see in his own tournament.
MaNa on the other side is/was slumping since like 1 month, but still has beastly PvP! I'm sure MC would agree
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
ProxyPL
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland230 Posts
October 23 2011 08:52 GMT
#3624
On October 23 2011 17:50 IceDice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has korean got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.


taking Huk as Korean PLAYER is fine cause he is training like Koreans and with Koreans so he isn't 100% forner player...
Proxy is like fire. Fire never dies alone!
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
October 23 2011 08:53 GMT
#3625
On October 23 2011 17:48 s3183529 wrote:
MU-MC tonight, anyone?


Glory Glory ManUTD !
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 23 2011 08:53 GMT
#3626
On October 23 2011 17:52 vor wrote:
ESWC 2011 - Stephano beats ClouD on main stage - crowd reaction.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYoBEfUH_RY


Looks like a pretty decent venue and crowd, pity all we really get is online english streams and little to not on-site coverage.
stu >)
Mosquitow
Profile Joined September 2011
England510 Posts
October 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#3627
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhouu5_live-netgtv-eswc_videogames
Stephano - mkp coming up next!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#3628
On October 23 2011 17:52 5ukkub wrote:
IMO it'll go something like thisK
Marineking 60% vs Stephano 40% and Grubby 45% vs MaNa 55%


bookies have MKP/Mana as roughly 63/37 favourites
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
October 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#3629
Khaldor is on air. ^^
IceDice
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 08:57:52
October 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#3630
On October 23 2011 17:52 ProxyPL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:50 IceDice wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has korean got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.


taking Huk as Korean PLAYER is fine cause he is training like Koreans and with Koreans so he isn't 100% forner player...


So would you then consider a polish football player playing in the premier league an english player ?
Same reasoning.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
October 23 2011 08:55 GMT
#3631
On October 23 2011 17:52 ProxyPL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:50 IceDice wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has korean got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.


taking Huk as Korean PLAYER is fine cause he is training like Koreans and with Koreans so he isn't 100% forner player...


Seriously, so Rain for example is playing for the US of A ? and QXC is a spanish player right ? yeah right .....
YoloStar <3
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 08:58:43
October 23 2011 08:58 GMT
#3632
On October 23 2011 17:53 greatZERG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:52 vor wrote:
ESWC 2011 - Stephano beats ClouD on main stage - crowd reaction.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYoBEfUH_RY


Looks like a pretty decent venue and crowd, pity all we really get is online english streams and little to not on-site coverage.


You can watch the match live on stage here : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhouu5_live-netgtv-eswc_videogames

Just mute the french casters and launch Khaldor's or TB's stream for english commentaries
Terran & Potato Salad.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 23 2011 08:58 GMT
#3633
On October 23 2011 17:50 IceDice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.



Well I don't mean KR as in nationality, when I say KR, I mean training wise. Just like select is NA trained for the most part, even though he's korean.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
ProxyPL
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland230 Posts
October 23 2011 08:59 GMT
#3634
IceDice
FaRess

don't get me wrong. i don't say that HuK isn't american any more. He just isn't a player that proves that forners can beat Koreans casue he isn't trainng with forners.
Proxy is like fire. Fire never dies alone!
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 23 2011 08:59 GMT
#3635
DoA if you are reading this thread your mic is doing that loud air blowy thing you might want to normalize it a bit before the games start so we can enjoy your laughs
stu >)
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
October 23 2011 09:00 GMT
#3636
On October 23 2011 17:58 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:50 IceDice wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.



Well I don't mean KR as in nationality, when I say KR, I mean training wise. Just like select is NA trained for the most part, even though he's korean.


Yeah, but the rest of the world means nationality as in nationality. And KR as in Korean. So if you don't specify, then we won't get what you mean
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4239 Posts
October 23 2011 09:00 GMT
#3637
TB stream has that Stephano vs MKP will start once the stage is setup. Just a heads up

I hope to see good games and to see MKP win a close series and then face of against Mana in the finals.

Lets see if I dont jinx it like yesterday that all my predictions lost xD
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 23 2011 09:02 GMT
#3638
Hoping MKP beats stephano then loses to Mana/Grubby in Final =D
stu >)
Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
October 23 2011 09:03 GMT
#3639
If you want, you can just look at the french stream (live from the event) :
http://www.dailymotion.com/eswc#videoId=xhouu5
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
October 23 2011 09:03 GMT
#3640
On October 23 2011 18:02 greatZERG wrote:
Hoping MKP beats stephano then loses to Mana/Grubby in Final =D


You're nickname don't fit you :D

I hope Stephano wins and destroy his opponent in the final, it will mean he's playing for an additional year
YoloStar <3
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