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noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
October 23 2011 08:40 GMT
#3601
On October 23 2011 17:13 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 16:45 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:40 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:21 ozdod wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:01 GTR wrote:
On October 23 2011 15:45 ozdod wrote:
MKP will win ESWC so he can go to the US to win MLG Providence which will get him a spot in the Blizzard Cup.



uh no, he'll place 2nd, because that's his destiny.


I can see Stephano having a chance to beat MKP. I'll be really disappointed if MKP loses to Mana or Grubby

Mana would probably beat MKP. MKPs worst MU is TvP (like, it's terrible compared to his others). And Mana's best is PvT. Manas PvT has been good enough to beat PuMa whose TvP is probably much better than MKPs.

Either way, that should be an awesome match. Really hope that's what we get in the finals.


I don't know where you're getting your info from, but mkp's tvp is one of his best matchup. It's TvT that is his worst matchup by far. MKP should roll mana if they meet, or I'll be disappointed if he plays like he did against huk.

That's exactly where I'm getting my info from. His TvP was terrible at MLG Orlando. I don't see how 1 week later, it's suddenly going to be at the form it was at a couple of months ago.


He absolutely raped MaNa in the showmatch an Mana hasn't been too impressive this event.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 08:42 GMT
#3602
On October 23 2011 17:36 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:13 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:45 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:40 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:21 ozdod wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:01 GTR wrote:
On October 23 2011 15:45 ozdod wrote:
MKP will win ESWC so he can go to the US to win MLG Providence which will get him a spot in the Blizzard Cup.



uh no, he'll place 2nd, because that's his destiny.


I can see Stephano having a chance to beat MKP. I'll be really disappointed if MKP loses to Mana or Grubby

Mana would probably beat MKP. MKPs worst MU is TvP (like, it's terrible compared to his others). And Mana's best is PvT. Manas PvT has been good enough to beat PuMa whose TvP is probably much better than MKPs.

Either way, that should be an awesome match. Really hope that's what we get in the finals.


I don't know where you're getting your info from, but mkp's tvp is one of his best matchup. It's TvT that is his worst matchup by far. MKP should roll mana if they meet, or I'll be disappointed if he plays like he did against huk.

That's exactly where I'm getting my info from. His TvP was terrible at MLG Orlando. I don't see how 1 week later, it's suddenly going to be at the form it was at a couple of months ago.


Well then that's pretty silly to base it off 1 bad bo3. Mana's form was terrible last week at IEM new york when he failed to get out of group stages, so using your logic I don't see how it's suddently going to be good 1 week later. Puma's tvp is based off his 1-1-1 and mkp can 1-1-1 with the best of them when he chooses to.

Mana's form was terrible last week? The only PvT he played was against Top and the series ended 2-1. I didn't watch it, but I doubt his form was terrible if it was a close series.
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
October 23 2011 08:42 GMT
#3603
I am watching a Youtube video in a live stream :D
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#3604
On October 23 2011 17:40 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:13 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:45 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:40 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:21 ozdod wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:01 GTR wrote:
On October 23 2011 15:45 ozdod wrote:
MKP will win ESWC so he can go to the US to win MLG Providence which will get him a spot in the Blizzard Cup.



uh no, he'll place 2nd, because that's his destiny.


I can see Stephano having a chance to beat MKP. I'll be really disappointed if MKP loses to Mana or Grubby

Mana would probably beat MKP. MKPs worst MU is TvP (like, it's terrible compared to his others). And Mana's best is PvT. Manas PvT has been good enough to beat PuMa whose TvP is probably much better than MKPs.

Either way, that should be an awesome match. Really hope that's what we get in the finals.


I don't know where you're getting your info from, but mkp's tvp is one of his best matchup. It's TvT that is his worst matchup by far. MKP should roll mana if they meet, or I'll be disappointed if he plays like he did against huk.

That's exactly where I'm getting my info from. His TvP was terrible at MLG Orlando. I don't see how 1 week later, it's suddenly going to be at the form it was at a couple of months ago.


He absolutely raped MaNa in the showmatch an Mana hasn't been too impressive this event.


He 2-0's Socke and MC, should 2-0 Grubby too given his performance so far. We haven't really seen the state of his PvT this tournament apart from vs a nobody who he 2-0'd
stu >)
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
October 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#3605
I am watching Dota 2 and I don't like it.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 23 2011 08:43 GMT
#3606
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.

And here I thought it was something in their milk that made them great
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 08:44 GMT
#3607
On October 23 2011 17:40 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:13 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:45 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:40 DoomsVille wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:21 ozdod wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:01 GTR wrote:
On October 23 2011 15:45 ozdod wrote:
MKP will win ESWC so he can go to the US to win MLG Providence which will get him a spot in the Blizzard Cup.



uh no, he'll place 2nd, because that's his destiny.


I can see Stephano having a chance to beat MKP. I'll be really disappointed if MKP loses to Mana or Grubby

Mana would probably beat MKP. MKPs worst MU is TvP (like, it's terrible compared to his others). And Mana's best is PvT. Manas PvT has been good enough to beat PuMa whose TvP is probably much better than MKPs.

Either way, that should be an awesome match. Really hope that's what we get in the finals.


I don't know where you're getting your info from, but mkp's tvp is one of his best matchup. It's TvT that is his worst matchup by far. MKP should roll mana if they meet, or I'll be disappointed if he plays like he did against huk.

That's exactly where I'm getting my info from. His TvP was terrible at MLG Orlando. I don't see how 1 week later, it's suddenly going to be at the form it was at a couple of months ago.


He absolutely raped MaNa in the showmatch an Mana hasn't been too impressive this event.

Showmatch....

And yea, Mana hasn't impressed here. But his PvT is far and away his best MU (which he hasn't had a chance to showcase).

MKP will not steamroll Mana like some people think.
ProxyPL
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland230 Posts
October 23 2011 08:44 GMT
#3608
MaNa raped MC in PvP (his worst MU) so he can easly take MKP.
MaNa vs MC set 1: http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/243886
MaNa vs MC set 2: http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/243900
Proxy is like fire. Fire never dies alone!
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 08:45 GMT
#3609
On October 23 2011 17:43 Leviance wrote:
I am watching Dota 2 and I don't like it.

It's a terrible spectator sport. You really have to be a player to understand what the hell is going on and actually enjoy it. Same goes for HoN/LoL.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 23 2011 08:45 GMT
#3610
On October 23 2011 17:43 Xcobidoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.

And here I thought it was something in their milk that made them great


Well, at least now we know that foreigners won't be winning anything for the next 5 years at least.
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 23 2011 08:46 GMT
#3611
On October 23 2011 17:45 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:43 Leviance wrote:
I am watching Dota 2 and I don't like it.

It's a terrible spectator sport. You really have to be a player to understand what the hell is going on and actually enjoy it. Same goes for HoN/LoL.


Good thing it's going to have a shit ton of players then.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 23 2011 08:47 GMT
#3612
Semis BO3?
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
October 23 2011 08:47 GMT
#3613
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Actually, there is a part of genetics too. Asians are typically more dexterous than caucasians.
SC2 reduced immensely the amount of hand dexterity required compared to BW, but having that "racial buff" still helps.
Regardless, it's undeniable that the Korean training regime contributes the most. They *know* how to train.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
October 23 2011 08:48 GMT
#3614
so sad atm
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
October 23 2011 08:48 GMT
#3615
MU-MC tonight, anyone?
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 23 2011 08:49 GMT
#3616
On October 23 2011 17:47 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Actually, there is a part of genetics too. Asians are typically more dexterous than caucasians.
SC2 reduced immensely the amount of hand dexterity required compared to BW, but having that "racial buff" still helps.
Regardless, it's undeniable that the Korean training regime contributes the most. They *know* how to train.


I'd like to see the research that says asians are more dextrous than caucasians
stu >)
IceDice
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 08:52:18
October 23 2011 08:50 GMT
#3617
On October 23 2011 17:39 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:37 Xcobidoo wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:33 Bromazepam wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:30 HappyChris wrote:
On October 23 2011 17:02 Bertyo wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:54 mYNDIG wrote:
On October 23 2011 16:52 noddy wrote:
4 time GSL finalist an amateur compared to someone who won one small tournament


I do believe that MKP is the favorite in this match, but are you seriously calling IPL3 a small tournament? Or did I just get trolled?


IPL was a relatively small tournament.


lol if a 100k dollars tournament with 12 koreans and all the best foreign players in the world is small. Then plz define whats big and small


Some people will get very defensive very quickly and say that if a tournament hasn't been won by a Korean it wasn't a serious one. Which obviously means that foreigners will never win a serious tournament, since it'd become an irrelevant one as soon as that happens.

Yup, if HuK (or another foreigner) wins a GSL it will count for nothing since he didn't win Open Season 2


Huk is korean trained so it counts as a KR win anyways. Same with Idra who spent 3 years in korea. It's not genetics, it's korean training that makes you good.


Hate to start up this discussion again but that reasoning makes no sense at all to me. Just because someone has got korean traning and is living in korea atm does not make them korean.
Your nationality dosent just suddenly change because your living in another country for awhile.

Mosquitow
Profile Joined September 2011
England510 Posts
October 23 2011 08:50 GMT
#3618
It will probably start around 11
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
October 23 2011 08:51 GMT
#3619
the main stage is soon available, CS is finished
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
October 23 2011 08:52 GMT
#3620
On October 23 2011 17:45 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 17:43 Leviance wrote:
I am watching Dota 2 and I don't like it.

It's a terrible spectator sport. You really have to be a player to understand what the hell is going on and actually enjoy it. Same goes for HoN/LoL.

Yeah, same goes for SC2, and counter-strike, and soccer, and football, and baseball and any other spectator sport.

Dunno why people are always so negative on here =/
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
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