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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 15:36:59
October 05 2011 15:36 GMT
#4221
I remember seeing SuperNova a couple months past and thinking he was going to be an amazing player eventually. About time he put some good results through, I think even NaDa was talking about how he was an amazing player that just didn't show his best quite yet.
dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
October 05 2011 15:37 GMT
#4222
On October 06 2011 00:15 Daralii wrote:
Leenock calling David Kim out on Twitter about ultras. >.>


Ahaha Leenock <3
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
October 05 2011 15:37 GMT
#4223
On October 06 2011 00:07 MrCon wrote:
People who are talking balance after such an amazing day are just making me sad :/
All games have been super close, all games could have gone one way or another, all games have been a hard battle to the end, to me it shows that TvZ is as balanced as it can be. You really have to have not watched the games, or be a diehard balance blind biased person to say that today's games showed anything about (im)balance.
And then all the TvZ stats are exactly 50/50. You people just want imbalance so your race can win more, stop claiming you want balance.


Agree, LR threads should stick to LR only and commentating about plays and not about balance!
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
October 05 2011 15:37 GMT
#4224
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
October 05 2011 15:41 GMT
#4225
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.


He has a ton of good results from GSTL/LG Special tourniment, by ELO he is number 4 in Korea: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2627&part=games&league=standard
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
October 05 2011 15:41 GMT
#4226
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.

He was 3rd. People in front him were two of the best Terrans in the world. He is also by far the best GSTL player so far. He won a LG tournament and was in the finals of AoL. He also went through his Ro32 group like through butter.
dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
October 05 2011 15:41 GMT
#4227
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.


Well he came first in his group and BARELY lost 1-2 in the ro16, so I would say he IS code S material, but perhaps not as good as others claim him to be.
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
October 05 2011 15:42 GMT
#4228
Good to see Ganzi and Supernova pull it out after so many gave them no chance in hell of winning.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 05 2011 15:42 GMT
#4229
God, even when the games are awesome people go out of their way just to whine a bit about balance...

The truth is ZvT is well balanced, maybe a slight ultra buff could find a place but otherwise the matchup is fine. Protoss is problematic and rather poorly designed but that's no topic for an LR thread and even less so this thread in particular, since the matches were so awesome. It truly is sad that people can't find ways to just enjoy the game, even at its best.
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
October 05 2011 15:44 GMT
#4230
On October 06 2011 00:41 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.

He was 3rd. People in front him were two of the best Terrans in the world. He is also by far the best GSTL player so far. He won a LG tournament and was in the finals of AoL. He also went through his Ro32 group like through butter.


I'm sorry, but do you notice how the only actual result is that LG tournament, which half the players weren't even in because it was during the Super Tournament. GSTL doesn't matter in terms of single player tournaments and AoL was a popularity invite type thing. Yes ro32 too, but Leenock made it through ro32.

I'm not saying he's terribad; he's not. But everyone has been talking about him incessantly as if he's the greatest player in the world, or one of them, when he has no results, which is all that matters.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 05 2011 15:45 GMT
#4231
OMFG, how did DRG lose to supernova O.o He's been pretty unimpressive since his Code A appearance omgosh...
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12861 Posts
October 05 2011 15:46 GMT
#4232
I didn't follow BW but I heard someone not so long ago when LosirA won code A against SuperNova, who said that SuperNova was almost as, or as good as Mvp was on BW when he switched for SC2. Is that true?
If so, explains why he is posting good results now.
WriterMaru
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
October 05 2011 15:47 GMT
#4233
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.


Because people can look at DRGs play and SEE that it is good. His mutalisks are better than anyone elses, his counter attacks the most effective. Watching most of DRG's ZvT I feel like he is in complete control. The best players do not always win.

In short, people proclaim that DRG is great because they aren't blind.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 05 2011 15:48 GMT
#4234
On October 05 2011 20:06 Seditary wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 20:05 figq wrote:
"Nestea is not a god" - Artosis has to admit it, finally


Next game Nestea wins he'll just call him a god again.
Damn were you right. :o
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
October 05 2011 15:50 GMT
#4235
DRG is a good player and belongs in Code S, but there is no doubt in my mind that the foreigner community overrates him. That's what happens when a Korean player takes part in many foreigner tournaments, HerO is similar.

Nestea, Losira, July and Coca are all better than him.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
October 05 2011 15:52 GMT
#4236
Hm gonna download these VODs methinks
here i am
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
October 05 2011 15:53 GMT
#4237
On October 06 2011 00:45 KimJongChill wrote:
OMFG, how did DRG lose to supernova O.o He's been pretty unimpressive since his Code A appearance omgosh...

Which has conveniently started happening in last 2 months when all but terrans "started playing bad".
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
October 05 2011 15:53 GMT
#4238
On October 06 2011 00:50 Bagi wrote:
DRG is a good player and belongs in Code S, but there is no doubt in my mind that the foreigner community overrates him. That's what happens when a Korean player takes part in many foreigner tournaments, HerO is similar.

Nestea, Losira, July and Coca are all better than him.

DRG initially became popular because some of his play was streamed on TL and showcased some pretty innovative Zerg tactics.
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
October 05 2011 15:56 GMT
#4239
On October 06 2011 00:47 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote:
Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results.


Because people can look at DRGs play and SEE that it is good. His mutalisks are better than anyone elses, his counter attacks the most effective. Watching most of DRG's ZvT I feel like he is in complete control. The best players do not always win.

In short, people proclaim that DRG is great because they aren't blind.


That's the problem though. If a player is better than another and yet loses, there must be a reason. I might have control throughout the whole game against a worse player, then accidentally move command my whole army and lose. Misclick or gigantic mistake is one reason. Another reason is build order loss/lack of scouting important tech. This is a kind of mistake, but somethings are just build order losses. The only other reason is balance, so if you're claiming the better player doesn't always win, and it's not one of the previous reasons, there must be an imbalance.

If you watch everything a player does over his shoulder, sure you can see if he's good, but we don't do that, we watch him through an observers POV. That means we don't see everything he does, and every mistake he makes. Just because his mutalisks are better than anyone, or counter attacks, doesn't mean he's better or is playing better if he's making mistakes that are off the screen.
XD_Melchior
Profile Joined May 2011
31 Posts
October 05 2011 15:57 GMT
#4240
Maybe Nestea overall, but I still absolutely believe DRG has the best notTvT in the world. For example, the AoL game versus MVP on Terminus, MVPs best map. The best played vT I've ever seen, hands down.

To anyone about to say "but he lost convincingly against terran XXX", don't forget that all top zergs are generally losing to top terrans at the moment. All. But DRG is the one guy that is actually almost even with them.
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