EPT[GSL] Oct Code S RO16 Day 2 - Page 212
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
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dc302
Australia576 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:15 Daralii wrote: Leenock calling David Kim out on Twitter about ultras. >.> Ahaha Leenock <3 | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:07 MrCon wrote: People who are talking balance after such an amazing day are just making me sad :/ All games have been super close, all games could have gone one way or another, all games have been a hard battle to the end, to me it shows that TvZ is as balanced as it can be. You really have to have not watched the games, or be a diehard balance blind biased person to say that today's games showed anything about (im)balance. And then all the TvZ stats are exactly 50/50. You people just want imbalance so your race can win more, stop claiming you want balance. Agree, LR threads should stick to LR only and commentating about plays and not about balance! | ||
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bigbeau
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote: Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results. He has a ton of good results from GSTL/LG Special tourniment, by ELO he is number 4 in Korea: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2627&part=games&league=standard | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote: Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results. He was 3rd. People in front him were two of the best Terrans in the world. He is also by far the best GSTL player so far. He won a LG tournament and was in the finals of AoL. He also went through his Ro32 group like through butter. | ||
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dc302
Australia576 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote: Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results. Well he came first in his group and BARELY lost 1-2 in the ro16, so I would say he IS code S material, but perhaps not as good as others claim him to be. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
The truth is ZvT is well balanced, maybe a slight ultra buff could find a place but otherwise the matchup is fine. Protoss is problematic and rather poorly designed but that's no topic for an LR thread and even less so this thread in particular, since the matches were so awesome. It truly is sad that people can't find ways to just enjoy the game, even at its best. | ||
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:41 -Archangel- wrote: He was 3rd. People in front him were two of the best Terrans in the world. He is also by far the best GSTL player so far. He won a LG tournament and was in the finals of AoL. He also went through his Ro32 group like through butter. I'm sorry, but do you notice how the only actual result is that LG tournament, which half the players weren't even in because it was during the Super Tournament. GSTL doesn't matter in terms of single player tournaments and AoL was a popularity invite type thing. Yes ro32 too, but Leenock made it through ro32. I'm not saying he's terribad; he's not. But everyone has been talking about him incessantly as if he's the greatest player in the world, or one of them, when he has no results, which is all that matters. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Poopi
France12861 Posts
If so, explains why he is posting good results now. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:37 bigbeau wrote: Okay this is my problem with DRG. He keep being proclaimed great, but yet has no results. He's barely code S level in my eyes, and he didn't even really earn a spot there (not because MLG isn't earning it, but because he got 4th and everyone in front of him was already in code S). I just don't get how someone can be called one of the best players when they have almost zero tangible results. Because people can look at DRGs play and SEE that it is good. His mutalisks are better than anyone elses, his counter attacks the most effective. Watching most of DRG's ZvT I feel like he is in complete control. The best players do not always win. In short, people proclaim that DRG is great because they aren't blind. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On October 05 2011 20:06 Seditary wrote: Damn were you right. :oNext game Nestea wins he'll just call him a god again. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Nestea, Losira, July and Coca are all better than him. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:45 KimJongChill wrote: OMFG, how did DRG lose to supernova O.o He's been pretty unimpressive since his Code A appearance omgosh... Which has conveniently started happening in last 2 months when all but terrans "started playing bad". | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:50 Bagi wrote: DRG is a good player and belongs in Code S, but there is no doubt in my mind that the foreigner community overrates him. That's what happens when a Korean player takes part in many foreigner tournaments, HerO is similar. Nestea, Losira, July and Coca are all better than him. DRG initially became popular because some of his play was streamed on TL and showcased some pretty innovative Zerg tactics. | ||
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:47 Crushinator wrote: Because people can look at DRGs play and SEE that it is good. His mutalisks are better than anyone elses, his counter attacks the most effective. Watching most of DRG's ZvT I feel like he is in complete control. The best players do not always win. In short, people proclaim that DRG is great because they aren't blind. That's the problem though. If a player is better than another and yet loses, there must be a reason. I might have control throughout the whole game against a worse player, then accidentally move command my whole army and lose. Misclick or gigantic mistake is one reason. Another reason is build order loss/lack of scouting important tech. This is a kind of mistake, but somethings are just build order losses. The only other reason is balance, so if you're claiming the better player doesn't always win, and it's not one of the previous reasons, there must be an imbalance. If you watch everything a player does over his shoulder, sure you can see if he's good, but we don't do that, we watch him through an observers POV. That means we don't see everything he does, and every mistake he makes. Just because his mutalisks are better than anyone, or counter attacks, doesn't mean he's better or is playing better if he's making mistakes that are off the screen. | ||
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XD_Melchior
31 Posts
To anyone about to say "but he lost convincingly against terran XXX", don't forget that all top zergs are generally losing to top terrans at the moment. All. But DRG is the one guy that is actually almost even with them. | ||
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