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MrCon
France29748 Posts
All games have been super close, all games could have gone one way or another, all games have been a hard battle to the end, to me it shows that TvZ is as balanced as it can be. You really have to have not watched the games, or be a diehard balance blind biased person to say that today's games showed anything about (im)balance. And then all the TvZ stats are exactly 50/50. You people just want imbalance so your race can win more, stop claiming you want balance. | ||
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nofacej
Australia164 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:01 TolEranceNA wrote: With your massive 56 post count (in no way i am saying i am experienced), you are truly a veteran and active member in the E-sport scene. What we see, today, is a pure game design flaw that enables terran to be much more unpunishible than other races and incrdibly hard to finish off as Z. 1) What does post count have to do with anything? 2) Your post count isn't exactly massive. | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:44 TolEranceNA wrote: When did i say Supernova is the mediocre terran? You sir need to stop putting words in my mouth, i was refering to Virus vs Nestea. As we all know, Nestea's vT was never amazing, but, as the best zerg player, having trouble beating a mediocre terran like Virus is truly amazing (hint hint not). It is about one race having more options than the other, not necessary balance, but poor design. As Dustin said, Terran is the only complete race. IMO, a win is a win, in that matchup, nestea wins anyway. Hard time means very little in competitve sports. There are at least hundreds of players in Korea can give Nestea a hard time sometime, but they will still lose. | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
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Poopi
France12902 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:44 TolEranceNA wrote: When did i say Supernova is the mediocre terran? You sir need to stop putting words in my mouth, i was refering to Virus vs Nestea. As we all know, Nestea's vT was never amazing, but, as the best zerg player, having trouble beating a mediocre terran like Virus is truly amazing (hint hint not). It is about one race having more options than the other, not necessary balance, but poor design. As Dustin said, Terran is the only complete race. Isn't NesTea playing with like 200 apm? We can then also say that it's poor design that you can win GSL without being faster than the people you beat. Virus is not mediocre at all | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:01 TolEranceNA wrote: With your massive 56 post count (in no way i am saying i am experienced), you are truly a veteran and active member in the E-sport scene. What we see, today, is a pure game design flaw that enables terran to be much more unpunishible than other races and incrdibly hard to finish off as Z. So you have 200+ whine posts that I dont have, I should really shut up and listen then because obviously your opinion is much more valuable. But wait then my post count would never increase and I would be lurking forever. I never claimed to be a huge contributor to this site but not having a positive effect is better than having a negative effect and I really dont care if you think I need 5000 posts that dont really contain anything of importance to be relevant to you. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:01 TolEranceNA wrote: With your massive 56 post count (in no way i am saying i am experienced), you are truly a veteran and active member in the E-sport scene. What we see, today, is a pure game design flaw that enables terran to be much more unpunishible than other races and incrdibly hard to finish off as Z. You really need to rewatch those games both DRG and Leenock should've won their series ( just like Virus should've tbh ) but threw away too many units in bad engagements . Knowing when to engange and when not has nothing to do with balance . Experience and preparation factors in alot as well and DRG , Leenock and also Virus looked like they still need some more experience in big matches , cause they lost to players that used their experience in big games today to win their series. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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xOff
United States247 Posts
Terran, if overpowered, is only such at the very highest level of play where their micro/macro wins them games. Its getting really annoying to have all my wins as terran discredited by the other races because of the results of the pros.. Zerg and Protoss at the diamond level are AT LEAST as easy to play at the diamond level than terran is. This just shows that Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races do. As the players of all races are getting better and better the terrans they seem to be excelling with little things that the other races cannot deal with. That doesn't mean that the terrans you're losing to on ladder are only winning because of their OP race. You're just bad. | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:07 MrCon wrote: People who are talking balance after such an amazing day are just making me sad :/ All games have been super close, all games could have gone one way or another, all games have been a hard battle to the end, to me it shows that TvZ is as balanced as it can be. You really have to have not watched the games, or be a diehard balance blind biased person to say that today's games showed anything about (im)balance. And then all the TvZ stats are exactly 50/50. You people just want imbalance so your race can win more, stop claiming you want balance. I agree the games were great, but one can still wonder if they would be so if balance is right. And there would still be great games then (only not today) but would ask for better terran players (or would maybe involve some toss). And today games only show that these terrans are as good or better then this zergs (at least at the moment) in this MU. The question is, is it deserved? In a normal situation (that is not 2 months of total Terran dominance) I would have acted same as you. But I really cannot in this situation. And I am not paying for GOMTvT as well. And will not until the balance between 3 races goes back to something normal. | ||
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Ahelvin
France1866 Posts
OH MY FUCKING GOD. Nestea VS Virus, Game 3. That was absolutely mind-blowing. Pure awesomeness concentrated in a single game. THAT GAME ! | ||
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Devil Trigger
United States107 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: By that logic, yes. But I don't think anyone's TvT is on par with MVP's. Maybe taking a game. Certainly not in a series. Nah, I think Bomber has better TvT than MVP's if they both played their best, but problem is the consistency. Nestea and MVP consistently play great every game that they don't beat themselves, but make you beat them. | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:24 -Archangel- wrote: I agree the games were great, but one can still wonder if they would be so if balance is right. And there would still be great games then (only not today) but would ask for better terran players (or would maybe involve some toss). And today games only show that these terrans are as good or better then this zergs (at least at the moment) in this MU. The question is, is it deserved? In a normal situation (that is not 2 months of total Terran dominance) I would have acted same as you. But I really cannot in this situation. And I am not paying for GOMTvT as well. And will not until the balance between 3 races goes back to something normal. I don't think you can see that anytime soon. Heart of swarm will only make the balance worse. The more they patch, the more problems there will be. They should just let the players play out for at least two years, then patch, that would be better. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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manloveman
424 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:19 xOff wrote: This is getting really annoying because people use the fact that there are only terrans left in the GSL as an excuse to why their losing... 50% of my games I get someone bitching how overpowered terran is at my level which is only diamond... Terran, if overpowered, is only such at the very highest level of play where their micro/macro wins them games. Its getting really annoying to have all my wins as terran discredited by the other races because of the results of the pros.. Zerg and Protoss at the diamond level are AT LEAST as easy to play at the diamond level than terran is. This just shows that Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races do. As the players of all races are getting better and better the terrans they seem to be excelling with little things that the other races cannot deal with. That doesn't mean that the terrans you're losing to on ladder are only winning because of their OP race. You're just bad. "This just shows that Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races do" oh wow. What do you base that on? Your own personal oppinion? Please dont discuss anything about balance. You make terrans look stupid and op, and they are only op. Even plat can learn to 1/1/1 just like any plat could 4gate back when that was really strong. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
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xOff
United States247 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:29 manloveman wrote: "This just shows that Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races do" oh wow. What do you base that on? Your own personal oppinion? Please dont discuss anything about balance. You make terrans look stupid and op, and they are only op. Even plat can learn to 1/1/1 just like any plat could 4gate back when that was really strong. When I said "Higher skill ceiling" That is not saying that terrans are the better players, That is saying the the terrans can do more with their race that the others may not be able to do. I understand that is a balance related thing but not the point i was trying to make... I was more or less complaining about the fact that in over half my ladder games my opponent thinks he lost because of me playing terran not me actually beating him. Its rather depressing to have all your wins discredited. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:09 nofacej wrote: 1) What does post count have to do with anything? 2) Your post count isn't exactly massive. 1)in general, to still be around with a decent sized post count (i consider my own to be small) means that you have posted well enough to be considered a adequate member of the TL society...low post count as such resembles risk and possible lack of knowledge of the poster due to presumably less time on tl.net 2)neither is yours, neither is mine....but sub 100~ generally hasnt proven itself also...omfg i shouldve watched tonight...it sounds godly....and i would have if there had been a protoss playing TT | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
On October 06 2011 00:29 manloveman wrote: "This just shows that Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races do" oh wow. What do you base that on? Your own personal oppinion? Please dont discuss anything about balance. You make terrans look stupid and op, and they are only op. Even plat can learn to 1/1/1 just like any plat could 4gate back when that was really strong. There is a thread on TL "hardest race to play on each level". You might want to check that out. Hint: The large majority of TL users dont main terran. | ||
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