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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:29 Loodah wrote: He destroyed MMA to get to the finals - MKP's tvt is just fine. Yes, he destroyed MMA in this tourney. However, that was just one series. Plus as mkp's number 1 fanboy, I can tell you his tvt is not fine and is one of the main reasons for his slump. He's been losing tvt left and right for a while now and mostly because he keeps going bio against mech and losing like he did against clide. His refusal to go mech tvt is why he loses a lot of tvt. You just don't win going bio vs mech when the meching player plays mech well. Losing to ryung/bomber dropped him to 3rd in his code s group too. The first time he dropped to code a and made up/down, he went 1-3 in group and lost to 3Ts, ryung, happy and dream. This past up/down when he made it, he only had 1 terran in his group taeja and he lost to him. I want mkp to fix his tvt for his sake because once he does, he'll go back to being beastly and a threat to win gsl again. | ||
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:37 Canucklehead wrote: Yes, he destroyed MMA in this tourney. However, that was just one series. Plus as mkp's number 1 fanboy, I can tell you his tvt is not fine and is one of the main reasons for his slump. He's been losing tvt left and right for a while now and mostly because he keeps going bio against mech and losing like he did against clide. His refusal to go mech tvt is why he loses a lot of tvt. You just don't win going bio vs mech when the meching player plays mech well. Losing to ryung/bomber dropped him to 3rd in his code s group too. The first time he dropped to code a and made up/down, he went 1-3 in group and lost to 3Ts, ryung, happy and dream. This past up/down when he made it, he only had 1 terran in his group taeja and he lost to him. I agree with you on most of the things you said except that I am MKP's Nr.1 Fanboy.  | ||
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UserErrOr413
United States178 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:33 Maghetti wrote: Haha Idra smurfing complaining about T imbalance?I have seen almost the entirely of GSL. I have missed a few games here and there but 99% of GSL I have seen. I call him a gimmicky abusive 1 baser not because everything he does is a gimmicky abusive 1 base play but because he does many gimmicky strategies, many abusive strategies, and many 1 base strategies. He can play a straight up game just fine, that just makes it more annoying when he does such a high rate of really lame builds. He is famous for mass marine vs banes. This is the definition of a gimmicky play. He is famous for base trades. For MMM vs zerg and vs terran(both gimmicky). He does stuff like double reactored hellions, or 2port banshee a lot. He was very well known for 2 rax with scv pull. He does the 1/1/1 quite a lot. I can go on all day with this. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:36 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: YES!!!!!!!! MKP's first GSL victory after 3 second places!! BEAUTIFUL!! this is not a GSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he would never win one, trust me one that. Not like i hate him or something, it just that marineking will never win a major league, ever | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Well apparently they aren't playing very hard to win. Nearly all of these games are oddly below expectation of the player. Why is that? Comparing this to MLG is foolish, they play standard there, sometimes better than at the gsl (probably because of the large audience). This just feels like a practice code-S. Fucking lame. HAHAHAHA saying that MLG is on the level of GSL code S is a bit ridiculous. MLG is not even close to the level of GSL level play. A lot of the MLG pool wouldn't even qualify for Code A. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:27 Tachion wrote: Didn't MKP also popularize the 2 base early ghost bio push vs Protoss? As fas as I remember yes. He did it in the Super Tournament against one of the Startale Protosses. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:26 Maghetti wrote: I have seen as 90+% of his games in tournaments, I don't see to see more of his play to know what he does very detailed. I hate it. I hate everything about his play. This guy gets it. People can get so defensive when they see 'BW' mentioned in a SC2 thread! Like Damon Hill said, after you've been driving Formula1 cars for a living, everything else is kind of sluggish. Raises an interesting point though, if MKP came into CodeS this season, would anyone bat an eyelid? Just another Terran with 'good micro'. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:33 Maghetti wrote: I have seen almost the entirely of GSL. I have missed a few games here and there but 99% of GSL I have seen. I call him a gimmicky abusive 1 baser not because everything he does is a gimmicky abusive 1 base play but because he does many gimmicky strategies, many abusive strategies, and many 1 base strategies. He can play a straight up game just fine, that just makes it more annoying when he does such a high rate of really lame builds. He is famous for mass marine vs banes. This is the definition of a gimmicky play. He is famous for base trades. For MMM vs zerg and vs terran(both gimmicky). He does stuff like double reactored hellions, or 2port banshee a lot. He was very well known for 2 rax with scv pull. He does the 1/1/1 quite a lot. I can go on all day with this. Nice post, good summary. I understand you: it's really painful to watch someone you don't like no matter how he plays and what strategy he uses. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:36 noddy wrote: Maghetti cries about MarineKing in every thread he plays in by the way, just look at the GSTL semi final thread. Not sure why people still bother. I do because I am still not satisfied with the answers of his fans. I want to understand what people see in his play that makes them enjoy his games. I literally do not get it at all. It is either pointing to stuff he did many many GSLs ago or trying to deny that he does a lot of 1 basing, a lot of gimmicky attacks, etc. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:30 Mioraka wrote: Agreed, it feels like a bigger Delta Quadrant with an easy contain instead of cliff-sieging bullshit. Rocks at the 3rd are simply terrible for Zerg, and somewhat bad for protoss. They do nothing for terran since they basically get an additional 2 minutes to kill the rocks, and they have units anyway. The backdoor at the 3rd was also advantageous for Zerg to setup flanks and backstabs.I think after the change, terminus is quickly becoming the least favourite map for Zergs.........I think it's actually very imbalanced the way it is right now. I think these changes were planned when the general concensus was that big maps == zerg favored, but that thinking proved to be erroneous. The advantage simply goes from Terran to Protoss as the size increases. | ||
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:42 Maghetti wrote: I do because I am still not satisfied with the answers of his fans. I want to understand what people see in his play that makes them enjoy his games. I literally do not get it at all. It is either pointing to stuff he did many many GSLs ago or trying to deny that he does a lot of 1 basing, a lot of gimmicky attacks, etc. He is cute? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Edit: Nevermind! + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2011 18:28 Asha` wrote: game 1: MKP tries stim/shield +1 timing. DRG crushes it and picks him apart till gg game 2: MKP goes 2 rax double expo double ebay. DRG doesn't do anything to it, MKP gets to about 170 sup and 3-3. pushes and wins. game 3: MKP goes double reactor hellions, DRG just dies. game 4: MKP goes marines + blueflame. DRG just dies. game 5: MKP goes mass redflame hellions + follow up banshee. DRG just dies | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:33 Maghetti wrote: I have seen almost the entirely of GSL. I have missed a few games here and there but 99% of GSL I have seen. I call him a gimmicky abusive 1 baser not because everything he does is a gimmicky abusive 1 base play but because he does many gimmicky strategies, many abusive strategies, and many 1 base strategies. He can play a straight up game just fine, that just makes it more annoying when he does such a high rate of really lame builds. He is famous for mass marine vs banes. This is the definition of a gimmicky play. He is famous for base trades. For MMM vs zerg and vs terran(both gimmicky). He does stuff like double reactored hellions, or 2port banshee a lot. He was very well known for 2 rax with scv pull. He does the 1/1/1 quite a lot. I can go on all day with this. ummm i dont get what you mean by gimmicky.... srsly. are you trolling? o.O | ||
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:42 Maghetti wrote: I do because I am still not satisfied with the answers of his fans. I want to understand what people see in his play that makes them enjoy his games. I literally do not get it at all. It is either pointing to stuff he did many many GSLs ago or trying to deny that he does a lot of 1 basing, a lot of gimmicky attacks, etc. It's fine that you don't get it. You however shouldn't bash him in every single thread refusing to admit that he has great achievements and he did good things to get there. There are a lot of players I don't like but I don't bitch about them in every LR thread when they play. Keep it to yourself. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 02 2011 18:45 noddy wrote: It's fine that you don't get it. You however shouldn't bash him in every single thread refusing to admit that he has great achievements and he did good things to get there. There are a lot of players I don't like but I don't bitch about them in every LR thread when they play. Keep it to yourself. Just don't listen... He is just one of the: "If you don't build 20tanks you're not playing standard terran" - guys. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
Don't feed the troll. The only 1 base marineking does is against protoss (1/1/1). If I recall correctly, players like Bomber, Puma, MvP also are quite keen on doing 1 base attacks against protoss. Basically every code S terran has a variation of that 1 base build in their arsenal against protoss. Otherwise 1 base builds are basically giving the other player a free win in TvT and TvZ. Marineking popularized 1 rax expand in TvP and 2 rax into Expo in TvZ. Not sure how those are cheesy 1 base builds. | ||
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