[IPL Team Arena] SlayerS vs. Mousesports - Page 23

On October 02 2011 11:50 Olinim wrote:

What? His control was just awful...he basically got a build order win with the 4 gate and nearly threw it away. It might have been from lag though.

On October 02 2011 11:50 HolyArrow wrote:


Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO.

On October 02 2011 11:55 Dommk wrote:

Terrans resilience comes from Mules with a combination of cheap units that are extremely cost effective--Marines/Marauder

If the other races were to be as resilient then an economic advantage like the Mule won't be enough, they need units that have the same bang for their buck as MM do, which I doubt Blizzard will ever do as those units are probably the most cost effective units in the game

On October 02 2011 12:06 nebffa wrote:
why is the stream playing back from the start of the match again?

On October 03 2011 04:08 Xpace wrote:
I still don't get these posts about how close Koreans are to Europeans. We're talking about Morrow here, who's been at the very least top 3 foreign Zerg since the release of the game (if not the best), and Thorzain, who's arguably one of the best foreigners right now (up there with Huk).

Coca's great and his ZvP is ridiculously beast for sure, but he hasn't really won anything substantial (like a GSL), only coming 2nd in an MLG. Ryung's in the same boat, great TvT style, great solid play, but hasn't really won anything substantial either. Add that to the lag (EU-US > KR-US)...

On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.

To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.

In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.

I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.

On October 03 2011 04:29 Olinim wrote:

Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.

On October 03 2011 04:44 Xpace wrote:


This is exactly my point.

A lot of people think Thorzain is the best foreigner, even here on Teamliquid, so much that they would rank him above Huk, the third EVER foreigner to EARN his Code S spot and hasn't dropped in over 4 GSLs, as well being the only foreigner to ever win a foreign LAN tournament with Koreans participating. The reasoning behind that is beyond me, but let's just say I agree.

The reason why Code S is so well respected as being the best of the best, is because even players like MVP and MKP have dropped off. It's the highest, toughest league in Korea, and we can all agree that Korea > US/EU/SEA. It's just the way things are.

I love Thorzain. I'm a huge Nerchio fan. I'm also a huge Huk fan. One foreign representative of each race that I would always bet on and cheer on. But at the back of my head, if any of these guys played Nestea/MVP in a BO7 LAN, they would get dismantled hands down. It's just the way things are, am I wrong when I claim that a majority of us think this way too?

The point of my post, which I find hella weird, is that when a foreigner takes a game off a Code S player, everyone immediately says "foreigners are getting close!". Unless they train in Korea, I don't really see that happening..