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devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
October 02 2011 02:50 GMT
#441
damnit Eve's not on the roster
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 02 2011 02:52 GMT
#442
On October 02 2011 11:50 Olinim wrote:
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On October 02 2011 11:49 Fighter wrote:
bummed Thorzain lost, but man, Puzzle looked GOOD. And his style was very entertaining -- I loved the guerrilla zealot attacks.

What? His control was just awful...he basically got a build order win with the 4 gate and nearly threw it away. It might have been from lag though.

I'm gonna chalk it up to lag and hope it isn't so bad when the Up & Downs come around. He still beat one of the best foreigners with what's been described as unplayable lag by Jinro(iirc), though.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
October 02 2011 02:55 GMT
#443
On October 02 2011 11:50 HolyArrow wrote:
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On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T


Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO.

Terrans resilience comes from Mules with a combination of cheap units that are extremely cost effective--Marines/Marauder

If the other races were to be as resilient then an economic advantage like the Mule won't be enough, they need units that have the same bang for their buck as MM do, which I doubt Blizzard will ever do as those units are probably the most cost effective units in the game
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 02 2011 02:57 GMT
#444
On October 02 2011 11:55 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 11:50 HolyArrow wrote:
On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T


Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO.

Terrans resilience comes from Mules with a combination of cheap units that are extremely cost effective--Marines/Marauder

If the other races were to be as resilient then an economic advantage like the Mule won't be enough, they need units that have the same bang for their buck as MM do, which I doubt Blizzard will ever do as those units are probably the most cost effective units in the game

I can has my gateway immortals back, Blizzard? >.>
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
October 02 2011 03:06 GMT
#445
why is the stream playing back from the start of the match again?
UCBdurr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States92 Posts
October 02 2011 03:31 GMT
#446
On October 02 2011 12:06 nebffa wrote:
why is the stream playing back from the start of the match again?


It's rebroadcast for those who missed it at the regular time
8mmspikes
Danika
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico112 Posts
October 02 2011 16:50 GMT
#447
damn mouz why didnt they threw TZ vs Coca first they shouldve used Mana as their ace :S
If life turns her back on you, grab her ass.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
October 02 2011 17:14 GMT
#448
Ya... it seems strange that they used Mana against Coca as Coca is good against Protoss and Mana's weakest matchup (at least it used to be) was Zerg. Oh well. Not a bad display by Mouz. I guess that's what happens though when you don't have a deep enough roster to put out the players that you want to put out.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 02 2011 17:51 GMT
#449
MorroW versus Ryung lol, so epic game... Sometimes it feels still like Terran are so fucking strong, like 6 bases versus 1-2 mining all game long lol ...
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
October 02 2011 19:08 GMT
#450
I still don't get these posts about how close Koreans are to Europeans. We're talking about Morrow here, who's been at the very least top 3 foreign Zerg since the release of the game (if not the best), and Thorzain, who's arguably one of the best foreigners right now (up there with Huk).

Coca's great and his ZvP is ridiculously beast for sure, but he hasn't really won anything substantial (like a GSL), only coming 2nd in an MLG. Ryung's in the same boat, great TvT style, great solid play, but hasn't really won anything substantial either. Add that to the lag (EU-US > KR-US)...
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 02 2011 19:20 GMT
#451
That final game was amazing.
/commercial
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
October 02 2011 19:20 GMT
#452
On October 03 2011 04:08 Xpace wrote:
I still don't get these posts about how close Koreans are to Europeans. We're talking about Morrow here, who's been at the very least top 3 foreign Zerg since the release of the game (if not the best), and Thorzain, who's arguably one of the best foreigners right now (up there with Huk).

Coca's great and his ZvP is ridiculously beast for sure, but he hasn't really won anything substantial (like a GSL), only coming 2nd in an MLG. Ryung's in the same boat, great TvT style, great solid play, but hasn't really won anything substantial either. Add that to the lag (EU-US > KR-US)...


except Morrow was Terran and not Zerg at the release
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Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
October 02 2011 19:21 GMT
#453
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.

To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.

In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.

I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
October 02 2011 19:29 GMT
#454
On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.

To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.

In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.

I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.

Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 19:46:38
October 02 2011 19:44 GMT
#455
On October 03 2011 04:29 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.

To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.

In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.

I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.

Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.


This is exactly my point.

A lot of people think Thorzain is the best foreigner, even here on Teamliquid, so much that they would rank him above Huk, the third EVER foreigner to EARN his Code S spot and hasn't dropped in over 4 GSLs, as well being the only foreigner to ever win a foreign LAN tournament with Koreans participating. The reasoning behind that is beyond me, but let's just say I agree.

The reason why Code S is so well respected as being the best of the best, is because even players like MVP and MKP have dropped off. It's the highest, toughest league in Korea, and we can all agree that Korea > US/EU/SEA. It's just the way things are.

I love Thorzain. I'm a huge Nerchio fan. I'm also a huge Huk fan. One foreign representative of each race that I would always bet on and cheer on. But at the back of my head, if any of these guys played Nestea/MVP in a BO7 LAN, they would get dismantled hands down. It's just the way things are, am I wrong when I claim that a majority of us think this way too?

The point of my post, which I find hella weird, is that when a foreigner takes a game off a Code S player, everyone immediately says "foreigners are getting close!". Unless they train in Korea, I don't really see that happening..
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
October 02 2011 20:40 GMT
#456
Holy shit! morrow vs ryung was so epic!
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 02 2011 20:44 GMT
#457
Wow, Morrow is GOOD!
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
October 02 2011 20:44 GMT
#458
morrow played that very solidly, quite impressed! i like that he didnt force an engagement and instead bled Ryung dry
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
October 02 2011 20:45 GMT
#459
Mouz fought well, wasn't even that far away from winning an korean team!
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 02 2011 20:48 GMT
#460
On October 03 2011 04:44 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 04:29 Olinim wrote:
On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.

To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.

In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.

I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.

Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.


This is exactly my point.

A lot of people think Thorzain is the best foreigner, even here on Teamliquid, so much that they would rank him above Huk, the third EVER foreigner to EARN his Code S spot and hasn't dropped in over 4 GSLs, as well being the only foreigner to ever win a foreign LAN tournament with Koreans participating. The reasoning behind that is beyond me, but let's just say I agree.

The reason why Code S is so well respected as being the best of the best, is because even players like MVP and MKP have dropped off. It's the highest, toughest league in Korea, and we can all agree that Korea > US/EU/SEA. It's just the way things are.

I love Thorzain. I'm a huge Nerchio fan. I'm also a huge Huk fan. One foreign representative of each race that I would always bet on and cheer on. But at the back of my head, if any of these guys played Nestea/MVP in a BO7 LAN, they would get dismantled hands down. It's just the way things are, am I wrong when I claim that a majority of us think this way too?

The point of my post, which I find hella weird, is that when a foreigner takes a game off a Code S player, everyone immediately says "foreigners are getting close!". Unless they train in Korea, I don't really see that happening..


Huk got a really easy group to code s, and never really gets difficult opponents. His biggest achievement was beating nada, although I don't know how good Nada is at that match-up. Judging from gameplay, I've always been much more impressed by Thorzain.
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