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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
November 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#3861
On November 06 2011 00:19 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:17 -_- wrote:
I don't understand why T is favored v Z on this map? Easy third? What? Pretty clueless about zvt 00.


Its not as bad as Xnc by any means, but the fact that everything funnels through the middle and the easily defendable bases makes it hard to deny terran bases.


Once you hold the middle with Mech, Zergs have a problem cracking it. Idra did it by a fairly good engagement with Broodlords and Idra did some serious economic damage, letting him be in a better place when he went for that break.

Also, Idra didn't go massive Infestors or Broodlords until the end. Partially from gas issues, but he also prevents Mass Ghost from being the way to win.
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
November 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#3862
refresh the stream if you had audio lag it slowly gets worse but works for a while
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
November 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#3863
On November 06 2011 00:19 Ahelvin wrote:
The more I watch Idra play, the less I am shocked by some basic Zerg stuff he is not doing (flanking systematically, spreading lings on different tanks...).

I have the impression that so far his out of this world macro was enough to win him game, but now that Zerg micro is getting more and more important he may need to upgrade his playstyle.

What do you think?


So when he broke the center by attacking from the 3 points towards the center was not a flank. Yes his micro could be better. But his macro is awesome so it makes up for it. You can't have A/S class in all of your skill sets. Well you can but baby Artosis isn't born yet.
Jonneh
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom67 Posts
November 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#3864
On November 06 2011 00:21 Mosquitow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:20 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:19 Mosquitow wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:18 sixfour wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:17 Mosquitow wrote:
Does Idra ever do sth else than mutas ?


why do something different when what you're doing works?

To show you can win in a different manner?



Zerg can win with roaches in TvZ


..... when the terran is bad


Stephano disagrees


Like elfie, he wins because nobody knew his strats. Doing stuff that nobody expects is pretty effective you know.
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
November 05 2011 15:22 GMT
#3865
Cross positions looking fairly good for IdrA. I expect something fancy coming from select tho
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
November 05 2011 15:23 GMT
#3866
On November 06 2011 00:19 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:15 VENDIZ wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:13 sleepyguy wrote:
Idra baits Select into overmaking ghosts and not enough tanks. Remaxes w/ lings...I'd say it's pretty brilliant


Wat...

He lost 8 broodlords.. doesn't have gas for more, makes loads of lings - asap he gets more gas more broodlords appear.. you're more or less saying that shitty micro is genius


It isn't the fact that IdrA lost the 8 Broods that made Select neglect tanks, is the fact IdrA made 8 Broodlords.


Doesn't make much sense, as SeleCT had his academy up before greater spire was started
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 05 2011 15:23 GMT
#3867
On November 06 2011 00:21 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:19 deadjawa wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:17 -_- wrote:
I don't understand why T is favored v Z on this map? Easy third? What? Pretty clueless about zvt 00.

The four early bases are really easy to defend and the last 4 are extremely open and hard to defend. A zerg player wants to take his advantage after he takes his third base, and it can be really difficult to do that on this map. And its a pretty narrow map so tanks can hold down the middle pretty effectively.


It's had to break a terran if they get the middle of the map secure, but if you've got decent muta control it's amazingly hard for the Terran to actually take their third securely and without suffering enough losses that they are miles behind economically like SeleCT ended up being.


Nah select took his 3rd too late, even after he killed all those lings and denied any pressure for a long long time. And he expanded to his 4th/5th too slow and had too little scvs/production facilities. Selects macro lost him that game.
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 15:24:46
November 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#3868
On a different matter. 35k viewers for a small invitational <3
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#3869
On November 06 2011 00:22 Jonneh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:21 Mosquitow wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:20 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:19 Mosquitow wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:18 sixfour wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:17 Mosquitow wrote:
Does Idra ever do sth else than mutas ?


why do something different when what you're doing works?

To show you can win in a different manner?



Zerg can win with roaches in TvZ


..... when the terran is bad


Stephano disagrees


Like elfie, he wins because nobody knew his strats. Doing stuff that nobody expects is pretty effective you know.


You were the person that said that yesterday weren't you. Stephano plays muta ling as well as IdrA.

Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
November 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#3870
Guys is it worth to watch IdrA vs WhiteRa series?
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#3871
really good play to double expo on this map as long as he can defend him when mutas pop he'll be way ahead, if he can't, ez to use it to build scv count
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#3872
On November 06 2011 00:24 Moralez wrote:
Guys is it worth to watch IdrA vs WhiteRa series?


no. watch game 3 if you have the time.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 05 2011 15:25 GMT
#3873
On November 06 2011 00:24 Badfatpanda wrote:
really good play to double expo on this map as long as he can defend him when mutas pop he'll be way ahead, if he can't, ez to use it to build scv count

this is why i hate terrans on this map..easy as hell for terran to get to 3 bases vs zerg.
sleepyguy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States272 Posts
November 05 2011 15:25 GMT
#3874
On November 06 2011 00:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:13 sleepyguy wrote:
Idra baits Select into overmaking ghosts and not enough tanks. Remaxes w/ lings...I'd say it's pretty brilliant


Wat...

He lost 8 broodlords.. doesn't have gas for more, makes loads of lings - asap he gets more gas more broodlords appear.. you're more or less saying that shitty micro is genius


What I'm saying is, Idra's probably seen Select's TvZ on Shakuras (yesturday Select v Dimaga). So he knows Select likes to take the middle and get up a good number of ghosts. But ghost production takes away gas from tank production. Now ghosts are really good against pretty much all zerg heavy gas units, but they're not good against mass ling/bling. Tanks are very good against ling/bling but not when he remaxes with like 90 lings and Select's tank count is down to a handful. I mean, I'd bet money Idra made a lot of broods to convince Select he's going Hive tech, then switches back to lings and just over-runs the middle so he can take his 5th/6th.
WE FOKKEN LOST BOYS
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#3875
LINE EM UP
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
November 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#3876
On November 06 2011 00:20 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:19 Ahelvin wrote:
The more I watch Idra play, the less I am shocked by some basic Zerg stuff he is not doing (flanking systematically, spreading lings on different tanks...).

I have the impression that so far his out of this world macro was enough to win him game, but now that Zerg micro is getting more and more important he may need to upgrade his playstyle.

What do you think?


No zerg in sc2 other than DRG does that to a proper level. It's quite appalling actually. Maybe the APM required is too high, and maybe thats why nada said it be really scary when BW zergs transfer over to the game.

I don't want to sound like a dumb fanboy, which I'm not, but I've watched Stephano's stream a lot recently and his micro is actually really gound. He is a bit lacking sometimes in the decision making department (taking fights he shouldn't take), but he has reached an impressive macro/micro mix...
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MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
November 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#3877
ugh is the audio waaaaaaaaaay ahead for anyone else?
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#3878
On November 06 2011 00:24 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:22 Jonneh wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:21 Mosquitow wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:20 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:19 Mosquitow wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:18 sixfour wrote:
On November 06 2011 00:17 Mosquitow wrote:
Does Idra ever do sth else than mutas ?


why do something different when what you're doing works?

To show you can win in a different manner?



Zerg can win with roaches in TvZ


..... when the terran is bad


Stephano disagrees


Like elfie, he wins because nobody knew his strats. Doing stuff that nobody expects is pretty effective you know.


You were the person that said that yesterday weren't you. Stephano plays muta ling as well as IdrA.



Stephano plays muta ling in ZvT but it doesn't win him games... the large majority of his tournament games are infestor ling
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
November 05 2011 15:27 GMT
#3879
On November 06 2011 00:24 Moralez wrote:
Guys is it worth to watch IdrA vs WhiteRa series?

Only if you want to see Idra rolling
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
November 05 2011 15:27 GMT
#3880
wow no ovie at the smoke for IdrA that's a huge misstep
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
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