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Funtime is over, start behaving in here. You all know the rules and this isn't the place for some kind of comments or discussion. Keep it to the games and keep balance, the casters and meta discussions out of here.
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Also, go Curious[Z]! He's gonna be someone someday!!!
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SeleCT: "I was expecting to win"
I think it's fair to say your ghost usage won you game 1 at least, TL forums were flooded with imbalance cries regarding HT vs Ghost situations. Do you agree?
SeleCT: Well, I think if u know how to micro your ghosts, ghosts have an advantage versus high templars. I think it is time for protoss to use warpprism + HT so we can't snipe them before they drop storms.
http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/Starcraft-II/380/SeleCT-I-was-expecting-to-win/
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God damnit Maka! T_T At least he lost to Sjow so I'm glad he gets to go on... but still. 
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What was best series of today? I want to watch something for dinner, (i watched select and Sjow already)
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On September 20 2011 00:23 leungwk01 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:22 DoomsVille wrote:So, were the maka/sjow games any good? Don't see a recommended games poll Terrible games.
but very entertaining and tense
though if you know the result and all the excitement is basically gone they are complete trash
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Choya knows sC inside out so it'll be interesting to see how Select does vs him
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On September 20 2011 00:37 hmunkey wrote:
It's MC's fault entirely that he fell out of the GSL. That's what happens when you're a cocky bastard and you pick the arguable best player in the world to be in your group.
I respect the guy more by the fact that he tried to go toe to toe with the best in the world. He wasn't ready obviously, and he will learn from this, but how do you know until you try? You will get nowhere in life unless you push yourself.
If any of you think this is the last we will see of MC, you are sadly mistaken..
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On September 20 2011 00:37 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:31 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:20 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:05 ForlornHope wrote:On September 19 2011 22:54 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote:On September 19 2011 22:27 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:19 Ammanas wrote:
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no he is not (sadly) So who is better? Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory sure but that was three months ago. These days he loses to all sorts of random foreigners and stays in Code S on the virtue of always picking really easy groups every season then losing to the first good player he meets. Puzzle has won nothing at all and looks very middle of the road. Hongun is always a laugh but he's so gimmicky and wins games mostly of the back of being unpredictable. Genius is plain bad, he survived in Code S last season by Void Ray cheesing every game. Naniwa has no results in months and months. Tassadar, JYP and others are still messing about in Code A. MC at least made the NASL and IEM finals even if it was by beating foreigners. There's just no good Protoss players right now. If you were to list to current best 20 players in Sc2 right now I wouldn't choose a single Protoss. White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. you are an idiot so shut up pls. White-ra is code S level if not better than some in code S right now and for Mana he is the best Mouz player that mean he is even better than Thorzain who is considered by many is code S quality Massive lol at White Ra being Code S level. He's not even Code B level. Mana's on a streak. He has no significant tournament wins though and if you're not in Korea you are nothing because you're not proving yourself against the best. 95% of the top 100 Sc2 players are Korean, if you're not playing those guys you're not worth discussing in terms of who is the best at anything. Puma 5-2, Nada 2-0, Thorzain 3-0 Sup son? I'm pretty sure Mana is in the run for best PvT Thorzain is a foreigner and not in Code A, he was slapped down by a very mediocre Zerg in his only Code A game. Puma is a good player, great result for Mana. However, one result against a guy who is still Code B doesn't make you the best PvT in the world. Nada has atrocious TvP. He got 3-0'd by Inca... When he beats Bomber or MVP at LAN we can talk. Oh wait, he played Bomber and Bomber won, Bomber even forfeighted a won game after the disconnect and still won. Thorzain beat Huk (code S) and Hero (code A). Those Bomber games were at DH Summer right? He wasn't at all as scary back then so I hope some nice Korean Terrans gets invited to IEM NY so Mana can show what he's got. Beating Code S players doesn't make you Code S level if you do it in one off games and lose the rest of them. Yeah Thorzain beat Huk and Hero but he lost to DRG, he lost to July, he lost to MC several times, he lost to Yugioh and he lost to Revival. What makes you Code S level is going to Korea and actually getting into Code S because that takes consistancy to win several BoX against great players not just the ability to win the odd one in your best matchup while have a sub 50% win ratio the rest of the time.
Lost 2-3 to DRG, he's 5-6 vs MC overall, 4-2 vs Huk
I'd say he performs at that level pretty consistently
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On September 20 2011 00:20 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:05 ForlornHope wrote:On September 19 2011 22:54 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote:On September 19 2011 22:27 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:19 Ammanas wrote:On September 19 2011 22:14 Blasphemi wrote:
MC is still the best Protoss player in the world by some distance, Protoss is just so bad right now. no he is not (sadly) So who is better? Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory sure but that was three months ago. These days he loses to all sorts of random foreigners and stays in Code S on the virtue of always picking really easy groups every season then losing to the first good player he meets. Puzzle has won nothing at all and looks very middle of the road. Hongun is always a laugh but he's so gimmicky and wins games mostly of the back of being unpredictable. Genius is plain bad, he survived in Code S last season by Void Ray cheesing every game. Naniwa has no results in months and months. Tassadar, JYP and others are still messing about in Code A. MC at least made the NASL and IEM finals even if it was by beating foreigners. There's just no good Protoss players right now. If you were to list to current best 20 players in Sc2 right now I wouldn't choose a single Protoss. White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. you are an idiot so shut up pls. White-ra is code S level if not better than some in code S right now and for Mana he is the best Mouz player that mean he is even better than Thorzain who is considered by many is code S quality Massive lol at White Ra being Code S level. He's not even Code B level. Mana's on a streak. He has no significant tournament wins though and if you're not in Korea you are nothing because you're not proving yourself against the best. 95% of the top 100 Sc2 players are Korean, if you're not playing those guys you're not worth discussing in terms of who is the best at anything. Puma 5-2, Nada 2-0, Thorzain 3-0 Sup son? I'm pretty sure Mana is in the run for best PvT
People tend to forget very easily. White-Ra could win the GSL if he really wanted to. He is the best foreign player in terms of money winnings and he is the only SC2 player up to date to have beaten a TBLS member in their prime. Sure, Nada, Boxer, MVP, July have wins against TBLS, but as far as I remember, only White-Ra has won agains a TBLS when he was dominating. WCG 2007, which was between MSL final against Bisu and OSL silver. With proper preparation, I'm sure he could dominate hardcore. But he is a Khan toss kind of player, he can win against anyone, can lose against anyone.
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On September 20 2011 00:49 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:37 hmunkey wrote:
It's MC's fault entirely that he fell out of the GSL. That's what happens when you're a cocky bastard and you pick the arguable best player in the world to be in your group. I respect the guy more by the fact that he tried to go toe to toe with the best in the world. He wasn't ready obviously, and he will learn from this, but how do you know until you try? You will get nowhere in life unless you push yourself. If any of you think this is the last we will see of MC, you are sadly mistaken..
I think that it's great to see players pushing themselves to their limits picking great players "in shape".
It's better to see MC picking an hard group than seeing a lot of "bad" players in code S forever, like TesteR, FruitDealer, Ensare or Kyrix (I know FD & TesteR dropped down but they stayed a long time -;-).
MC will be back, hopefully at MLG, players will learn to fear him again 
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@ Blasphemi
Where would you put MMA and DRG then? I mean both of them are in code S but both used mlg to get there, if a foreigner happens to get code s from MLG do they then count under your rating ( honest question?)
Back on topic I am proud of Select and Sjow for making it to the next round. I don't like either of their chances against their next opponents but they at least accomplished something today. Game 3 of Maka vs Sjow was my favorite today, both players made a lot of mistakes but that just lead to be being more tense and excited to see was going to finally get their act together and win.
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Just watched the vods, after reading a bunch of the balance whine last night, and I was frankly shocked at how much Alicia and MC both deserved to lose. There wasn't any imba there, MC just didn't play very well, and Select completely beasted.
We may be suffering right now, my brotoss, but these really aren't the games to point to to complain.
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Time to switch to Terran MC...
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ah, Blasphemi bashing foreign players again, what's new.
Must've been a sad day for you today watching two of them win.
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Foreigners make it out
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On September 20 2011 01:00 FireEagle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:20 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:05 ForlornHope wrote:On September 19 2011 22:54 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote:On September 19 2011 22:27 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:19 Ammanas wrote:On September 19 2011 22:14 Blasphemi wrote:
MC is still the best Protoss player in the world by some distance, Protoss is just so bad right now. no he is not (sadly) So who is better? Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory sure but that was three months ago. These days he loses to all sorts of random foreigners and stays in Code S on the virtue of always picking really easy groups every season then losing to the first good player he meets. Puzzle has won nothing at all and looks very middle of the road. Hongun is always a laugh but he's so gimmicky and wins games mostly of the back of being unpredictable. Genius is plain bad, he survived in Code S last season by Void Ray cheesing every game. Naniwa has no results in months and months. Tassadar, JYP and others are still messing about in Code A. MC at least made the NASL and IEM finals even if it was by beating foreigners. There's just no good Protoss players right now. If you were to list to current best 20 players in Sc2 right now I wouldn't choose a single Protoss. White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. you are an idiot so shut up pls. White-ra is code S level if not better than some in code S right now and for Mana he is the best Mouz player that mean he is even better than Thorzain who is considered by many is code S quality Massive lol at White Ra being Code S level. He's not even Code B level. Mana's on a streak. He has no significant tournament wins though and if you're not in Korea you are nothing because you're not proving yourself against the best. 95% of the top 100 Sc2 players are Korean, if you're not playing those guys you're not worth discussing in terms of who is the best at anything. Puma 5-2, Nada 2-0, Thorzain 3-0 Sup son? I'm pretty sure Mana is in the run for best PvT People tend to forget very easily. White-Ra could win the GSL if he really wanted to. He is the best foreign player in terms of money winnings and he is the only SC2 player up to date to have beaten a TBLS member in their prime. Sure, Nada, Boxer, MVP, July have wins against TBLS, but as far as I remember, only White-Ra has won agains a TBLS when he was dominating. WCG 2007, which was between MSL final against Bisu and OSL silver. With proper preparation, I'm sure he could dominate hardcore. But he is a Khan toss kind of player, he can win against anyone, can lose against anyone.
I love White Ra as much as anyone but I have to say that is a ludicrous statement. White-Ra could not win GSL "if he really wanted to". He is very, very skilled but not the point where he could beat the absurd talent of Code A.
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Sjow and Select fighting <3
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On September 20 2011 00:59 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:37 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:31 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:20 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:05 ForlornHope wrote:On September 19 2011 22:54 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote:On September 19 2011 22:27 Blasphemi wrote:
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So who is better?
Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory sure but that was three months ago. These days he loses to all sorts of random foreigners and stays in Code S on the virtue of always picking really easy groups every season then losing to the first good player he meets.
Puzzle has won nothing at all and looks very middle of the road.
Hongun is always a laugh but he's so gimmicky and wins games mostly of the back of being unpredictable.
Genius is plain bad, he survived in Code S last season by Void Ray cheesing every game.
Naniwa has no results in months and months.
Tassadar, JYP and others are still messing about in Code A.
MC at least made the NASL and IEM finals even if it was by beating foreigners.
There's just no good Protoss players right now.
If you were to list to current best 20 players in Sc2 right now I wouldn't choose a single Protoss. White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. you are an idiot so shut up pls. White-ra is code S level if not better than some in code S right now and for Mana he is the best Mouz player that mean he is even better than Thorzain who is considered by many is code S quality Massive lol at White Ra being Code S level. He's not even Code B level. Mana's on a streak. He has no significant tournament wins though and if you're not in Korea you are nothing because you're not proving yourself against the best. 95% of the top 100 Sc2 players are Korean, if you're not playing those guys you're not worth discussing in terms of who is the best at anything. Puma 5-2, Nada 2-0, Thorzain 3-0 Sup son? I'm pretty sure Mana is in the run for best PvT Thorzain is a foreigner and not in Code A, he was slapped down by a very mediocre Zerg in his only Code A game. Puma is a good player, great result for Mana. However, one result against a guy who is still Code B doesn't make you the best PvT in the world. Nada has atrocious TvP. He got 3-0'd by Inca... When he beats Bomber or MVP at LAN we can talk. Oh wait, he played Bomber and Bomber won, Bomber even forfeighted a won game after the disconnect and still won. Thorzain beat Huk (code S) and Hero (code A). Those Bomber games were at DH Summer right? He wasn't at all as scary back then so I hope some nice Korean Terrans gets invited to IEM NY so Mana can show what he's got. Beating Code S players doesn't make you Code S level if you do it in one off games and lose the rest of them. Yeah Thorzain beat Huk and Hero but he lost to DRG, he lost to July, he lost to MC several times, he lost to Yugioh and he lost to Revival. What makes you Code S level is going to Korea and actually getting into Code S because that takes consistancy to win several BoX against great players not just the ability to win the odd one in your best matchup while have a sub 50% win ratio the rest of the time. Lost 2-3 to DRG, he's 5-6 vs MC overall, 4-2 vs Huk I'd say he performs at that level pretty consistently
He's 5-8 vs MC.
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On September 20 2011 00:59 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:37 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:31 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:25 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:20 Choboo wrote:On September 20 2011 00:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 20 2011 00:05 ForlornHope wrote:On September 19 2011 22:54 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote:On September 19 2011 22:27 Blasphemi wrote:
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So who is better?
Huk won Dreamhack and Homestory sure but that was three months ago. These days he loses to all sorts of random foreigners and stays in Code S on the virtue of always picking really easy groups every season then losing to the first good player he meets.
Puzzle has won nothing at all and looks very middle of the road.
Hongun is always a laugh but he's so gimmicky and wins games mostly of the back of being unpredictable.
Genius is plain bad, he survived in Code S last season by Void Ray cheesing every game.
Naniwa has no results in months and months.
Tassadar, JYP and others are still messing about in Code A.
MC at least made the NASL and IEM finals even if it was by beating foreigners.
There's just no good Protoss players right now.
If you were to list to current best 20 players in Sc2 right now I wouldn't choose a single Protoss. White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. you are an idiot so shut up pls. White-ra is code S level if not better than some in code S right now and for Mana he is the best Mouz player that mean he is even better than Thorzain who is considered by many is code S quality Massive lol at White Ra being Code S level. He's not even Code B level. Mana's on a streak. He has no significant tournament wins though and if you're not in Korea you are nothing because you're not proving yourself against the best. 95% of the top 100 Sc2 players are Korean, if you're not playing those guys you're not worth discussing in terms of who is the best at anything. Puma 5-2, Nada 2-0, Thorzain 3-0 Sup son? I'm pretty sure Mana is in the run for best PvT Thorzain is a foreigner and not in Code A, he was slapped down by a very mediocre Zerg in his only Code A game. Puma is a good player, great result for Mana. However, one result against a guy who is still Code B doesn't make you the best PvT in the world. Nada has atrocious TvP. He got 3-0'd by Inca... When he beats Bomber or MVP at LAN we can talk. Oh wait, he played Bomber and Bomber won, Bomber even forfeighted a won game after the disconnect and still won. Thorzain beat Huk (code S) and Hero (code A). Those Bomber games were at DH Summer right? He wasn't at all as scary back then so I hope some nice Korean Terrans gets invited to IEM NY so Mana can show what he's got. Beating Code S players doesn't make you Code S level if you do it in one off games and lose the rest of them. Yeah Thorzain beat Huk and Hero but he lost to DRG, he lost to July, he lost to MC several times, he lost to Yugioh and he lost to Revival. What makes you Code S level is going to Korea and actually getting into Code S because that takes consistancy to win several BoX against great players not just the ability to win the odd one in your best matchup while have a sub 50% win ratio the rest of the time. Lost 2-3 to DRG, he's 5-6 vs MC overall, 4-2 vs Huk I'd say he performs at that level pretty consistently
He got beat 2-0 by MC at Homestory as well so he's actually 5-8 vs MC in MC's worst matchup and Thorzain's best. Thorzain's win wasn't at LAN either so is worth considerably less if it wasn't cross server.
Thorzain has also lost to July at Dreamhack 2-1.
At LAN's by my calculations Thorzain has won 11 games versus Koreans(+Huk) and lost 19 games.
That's a 36% win ratio on LAN versus Koreans, not all of whom were Code S. I don't call that Code S level. Losing more than half your games is not being consistantly good.
If you narrow it down to series instead of games he's lost 5 and won 4 in Korea.
He lost versus MC at MLG and at Homestory. Lost versus July at Dreamhack and DRG last week.
Won versus Hero, Huk at Dreamhack.
That's 9 losses and 6 wins, a 40% win ratio. Again, not impressive.
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I have the feeling that we are going to have a PvP finals, or PvZ
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