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Funtime is over, start behaving in here. You all know the rules and this isn't the place for some kind of comments or discussion. Keep it to the games and keep balance, the casters and meta discussions out of here. Pretty please, with minerals on top. | ||
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Pulzlulz
Germany412 Posts
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:41 DystopiaX wrote: I think P is in that stage Zerg was awhile ago where they were losing and everyone was balance whining, then they started to collectively figure it out. Blizz waited a long time before doing anything, and rightly so; it turned out Z always had the tools they needed. You need to go look up patch changes. Zergs 'figured it out' after lots of nerfs to terran and protoss and buffs to zergs ... still Terran is doing better than anyone by far, and protoss just recently - because of nerfs to warpgate especially - doing the worst. 'Always had the tools' ... no, they really didn't. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46217 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:11 ChrisXIV wrote: If he skips sleep and gets his food through infusions...maybe. MC is somehow worse than he was in GSL Open 1. And even when he was THE dominating protoss he lost to foreigners in some matches. I think he still is THE dominating Protoss... by far. No other Protosses really measure up to him. Or do you mean how he measures up to other non-Protoss players? In that case, yeah... it seems that almost any Code A or Code S Zerg or Terran have a good chance against him. Sigh. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
And yes, it's a paradox to call Select a foreigner. | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:41 Pulzlulz wrote: Switch Protoss with Zerg, welcome to January/February 2011 How about at the very start of SC2 i.e. August-september 2010.....Oh i miss the good old days of 5 rax reaper.... | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:48 Clazziquai10 wrote: How about at the very start of SC2 i.e. August-september 2010.....Oh i miss the good old days of 5 rax reaper.... It would have been more accurate if he said 'welcome to august last year - beginning of march this year'  | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:43 Whitewing wrote: I think Protoss is in the state it is now because everyone kept whining about protoss being too good and too strong back before they figured out how to beat Toss, then Protoss got nerfed repeatedly. Now that the other races know what they're doing, and toss got hit really hard, they're basically treading water while zerg and terran are swimming laps. I agree with this so much !. I do think Protoss needs to be more creative and not just rely on the same couple of builds that have always worked ( loving the new trend towards storm drops ^-^); however early nerfs seem to have taken away some of the options they used to have. Given how things are now would it really hurt to give voidrays back flux vanes or reintroduce Khaydarin amulet but have it so that once that upgrade is researched templar can only be warped in at a nexus? I am also curious to see how things change when the patch comes and guardian sheild correctly reduces damage from the units it was bugging out against * Also curious to see what happens to bunker rushes when drone attacks stop missing due to bugs. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:30 Bobster wrote: White-Ra am cry. Mana has also had a good run lately. Hero as well. If you don't play in GSL you aren't worth mentioning in the best of anything. Mana and White Ra are not even close to Code S level. Hero is playing in Code A for the first time this season and has no results about Koreans. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:53 ladyumbra wrote: I agree with this so much !. I do think Protoss needs to be more creative and not just rely on the same couple of builds that have always worked ( loving the new trend towards storm drops ^-^); however early nerfs seem to have taken away some of the options they used to have. Given how things are now would it really hurt to give voidrays back flux vanes or reintroduce Khaydarin amulet but have it so that once that upgrade is researched templar can only be warped in at a nexus? I am also curious to see how things change when the patch comes and guardian sheild correctly reduces damage from the units it was bugging out against * Also curious to see what happens to bunker rushes when drone attacks stop missing due to bugs. Protoss have problems in late game but they also have big issues in early game so while Warp in storms would help late game in would do nothing to stop the problems Protoss have in securing a third in ZvP or stopping various Terran 1/2 base all ins. | ||
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
I bet my ass, that he gets his CodeS Spot at MLG. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
Especially Sjow, he must have been nervous as hell. Was that the best TvT he's ever played in his life? Probably not, but it was good enough, and he managed to hold it together under a lot of pressure, and that's what counts. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:56 gehgrfhgrh wrote: MC is still the best Protoss in the world, it's not even close! His problem is, he is over confident and he always picked Huge Names for his CodeS Groups. I bet my ass, that he gets his CodeS Spot at MLG. I'll take that bet. Is your Ass sturdy? Male or female? | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 19 2011 22:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think he still is THE dominating Protoss... by far. No other Protosses really measure up to him. Or do you mean how he measures up to other non-Protoss players? In that case, yeah... it seems that almost any Code A or Code S Zerg or Terran have a good chance against him. Sigh. He's not THE dominating Protoss anymore. Look at the results. There is no dominating Protoss and MC hasn't been doing any better than the others, he's been knocked out in PvP twice and other Protoses have beaten for example Losira who knocked him down to Code-A. GSL March was six months ago, he hasn't shown good performances in GSL since then. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
Pretty please? | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 19 2011 23:01 hugman wrote: He's not THE dominating Protoss anymore. Look at the results. There is no dominating Protoss and MC hasn't been doing any better than the others, he's been knocked out in PvP twice and other Protoses have beaten for example Losira who knocked him down to Code-A. GSL March was six months ago, he hasn't shown good performances in GSL since then. The only Protoss players to perform well in a GSL since MC beat July in March are: Inca - won a bunch of PvP's and cheesed Nada. Is now Code B Hongun - who most people consider a skilless cheeser. In fact only two Protoss have ever performed well over multiple seasons in GSL and that's MC and Hongun. | ||
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grandmoose
United States160 Posts
Doesn't really matter though because every top Protoss is struggling. | ||
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ForTheDr3am
842 Posts
On September 19 2011 23:01 hugman wrote: He's not THE dominating Protoss anymore. Look at the results. There is no dominating Protoss and MC hasn't been doing any better than the others, he's been knocked out in PvP twice and other Protoses have beaten for example Losira who knocked him down to Code-A. GSL March was six months ago, he hasn't shown good performances in GSL since then. "Other Protoss beating Losira" meaning Genius 4-gated him. The only Protoss who has properly won PvZ's in GSL is JYP. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 19 2011 23:10 grandmoose wrote: Gameplay wise I would put Puzzle over MC. MC still has the most titles but when judging in-game play, I don't think MC is the best Protoss. Doesn't really matter though because every top Protoss is struggling. The only win over a decent name Puzzle has is that 2-0 over MMA. He got into Code S through a pretty easy road and hasn't done much since. He's also lost he last five televised games. | ||
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