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rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
September 07 2011 11:41 GMT
#1601
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?


losira has to win and so does mc, for there to be a 3waytie.

only chance for mc to get to code s
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
September 07 2011 11:41 GMT
#1602
On September 07 2011 20:39 qazadex wrote:
Is there anyway that MC can go to code S anymore?


Win and hope Check does too. He could be out in next game without playing, though.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1603
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


Tell us what MC did that game that was so much greedier than a normal standard Forge FE into Stargate.
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1604
I usually don't complain about casting, but I simply don't get why they continuously mess up with the format, and who is going through in specific scenarios. That and the lack of research before a game really bugs me out. I really hate when they can't remember how a player got to the current stage in the tournament and don't recall when they played each other last time. It is such a good way to hype a match. As in the TOP vs OPTIMUS match, it took forever until they realised that they faced each other in the super tournament semifinal in an epic BO5. It would be so easy to spend 20-30 minutes on doing some research before hand and then use that to hype matches up. There is a reason why the Korean commentators can use so much time before a match, and don't get me wrong I like tastosis small talking but I really miss some proper research a times. That goes for all the casters.
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1605
On September 07 2011 20:41 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


what the...

So a standard forge FE is greedy all of a sudden?

Standard? If building your forge ten miles away from your natural is standard then yeah.


should have went 4-5 gate after instead of a stargate as well, stargate is so predictable on that map
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1606
On September 07 2011 20:41 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


what the...

So a standard forge FE is greedy all of a sudden?

Standard? If building your forge ten miles away from your natural is standard then yeah.


What the fuck does building placement have to do with greediness?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1607
On September 07 2011 20:40 makk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?

correct and check does not need to even try since he is already in code s.

No, if Jjajki wins against MC, Losira, Check and Jjakji are all 3-1, with no head-to-head winner. There will be a 3 way tiebreaker for the two spots.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
b0ngt0ss
Profile Joined July 2011
259 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1608
On September 07 2011 20:40 jjhchsc2 wrote:
lol if losira wins and jakji beats MC
jackji advances coz he beat losira?

ha ha
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1609
On September 07 2011 20:40 makk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?

correct and check does not need to even try since he is already in code s.


Wrong. If Check loses. And Jjaki wins.

It's Check, Losira, and jjaki 3-1.

3 way tie and Check could still get 3rd.
nougdp
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany144 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1610
Go CHECK (aka Cheesy little bastard!) and GO MC :p
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1611
On September 07 2011 20:40 makk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?

correct and check does not need to even try since he is already in code s.


He is not.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1612
On September 07 2011 20:26 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:23 kusto wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:21 Plexa wrote:
MC to code A might be the wake up call GOM needs to fix their format.


What's the problem with the format?

Firstly, you have two players from Code S being removed every season. The up-down matches are way to harsh on the players, plus the format is open to abuse around game 8 (as i mentioned in my last post). Plus Code A is terrible. Code A needs to be fixed, the up-down matches need to be fixed, and less players in Code S need to be safe (atm we're losing 25% of the Code S players entering up-down, add more players in and that becomes 12.5%).


I am not going to pretend that the whole GOM Format is as I would like it to be. But if you lose two games in a row in Code S, and then cannot finish top2 in a 5player round robin, you probably deserve to go down. The possibility of abuse in the later games of the Up&Down is of course a real threat. But if you are in a position where you have to rely on other players results, at that point you have already lost 2 Code S and at least 2 Up&Down games.

I think if MC goes down today, it is simply deseved.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1613
On September 07 2011 20:34 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:33 butchji wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:22 SagaSan wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:21 Plexa wrote:
MC to code A might be the wake up call GOM needs to fix their format.


Or to fix P



like when IMMvp dropped to Code A right ? ""


funny thing is terran always get nerfed, but he earned his way back to code s, instead of waiting for his race to get buffed.

The really funny thing is that when MVP dropped to code a, Code S was still over 50% terran. That number has only grown since. A terran that complains about balance at the moment is just delusional.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
September 07 2011 11:42 GMT
#1614
On September 07 2011 20:40 makk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?

correct and check does not need to even try since he is already in code s.

He isnt
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1615
On September 07 2011 20:39 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:34 rareh wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 butchji wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:22 SagaSan wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:21 Plexa wrote:
MC to code A might be the wake up call GOM needs to fix their format.


Or to fix P



like when IMMvp dropped to Code A right ? ""


funny thing is terran always get nerfed, but he earned his way back to code s, instead of waiting for his race to get buffed.


MVP was in a slump and now he is back that's for sure. Full credit to him but let's stop at that and not make it sound like he fought against the odds.

The reason MVP dropped down to code A was due to his TvP. That matchup changed after KA removal, Phoenix buff, Warp gate nerf, Ghost change. And you are making it sound like MVP did it on his own when the whole Terran race as a whole has been doing progressively better vP as a whole.

That GSL when MVP dropped, i think TvP was 30 percent. This/ Last GSL, its 65 percent or so. So yea MVP didn't solve his TvP and climbed back on his own. The trend just changed.


Exactly. So many people don't realize that MVP had really weak TvP, much worse than Nestea's ZvT, but got really fortunate with the game changes and shifts in racial strength. I've always felt like the stars aligned for him recently.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1616
On September 07 2011 20:42 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:41 pdd wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


what the...

So a standard forge FE is greedy all of a sudden?

Standard? If building your forge ten miles away from your natural is standard then yeah.


What the fuck does building placement have to do with greediness?


It doesn't. MC was gonna lose that as soon as the nydus got up, regardless of where he put his buildings, but that's not gonna stop people from bashing him.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1617
On September 07 2011 20:42 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:41 pdd wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


what the...

So a standard forge FE is greedy all of a sudden?

Standard? If building your forge ten miles away from your natural is standard then yeah.


What the fuck does building placement have to do with greediness?

Not as much. But it has everything to do with riskiness. You have that forge and cannons next to your base, and you have 1 sentry. That Nydus play will never work.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1618
On September 07 2011 20:41 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:39 silverstyle wrote:
if check doesnt win losira its over for MC right?


losira has to win and so does mc, for there to be a 3waytie.

only chance for mc to get to code s


No losira has to lose and MC has to win so there will be 3 way 2-2 ties.

If losira win and MC lose - there will be 3 way 3-1 ties.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1619
On September 07 2011 20:42 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 20:41 pdd wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:39 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
On September 07 2011 20:33 Alvis wrote:
MC deserves to lose because he is too greedy in an important match.

Why isn't anyone saying this?
It's not like Check had 1 supply roaches. He walled off at the choke of all of his bases, had like 2 gateway units out and a void ray/phoenix..


what the...

So a standard forge FE is greedy all of a sudden?

Standard? If building your forge ten miles away from your natural is standard then yeah.


What the fuck does building placement have to do with greediness?

close to natural = cannons covering mineral and ramp.
I had a good night of sleep.
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
September 07 2011 11:43 GMT
#1620
On September 07 2011 20:40 Mobius_1 wrote:
It's not the format's fault that MC is dropping down to Code A (if he does), it's that he either isn't good enough or isn't playing well enough today. (The latter, IMHO) We used to moan and whine about players like Byun staying in Code S in the old format and how so many good players in Code A aren't given the chance in Code S despite being "better", but we must be prepared to face the losses of some formerly top players like MC and previously MVP and MarineKing, among others, in whatever format. Even BW Bonjwas had their tough times, and if you are a true fan of the player and the game, you will be a fan through thick and thin.

Not saying this format is perfect, but neither was MC's play today.



well said, I will keep cheering for MC, no matter if he loses allot or wins another GSL.
on the other hand I would prefer a bo3 round robin format allot better. There is a lot at stack and to decide that with a bo1 is a bit sour I guess.
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