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On August 30 2011 20:21 redloser wrote:
I mean, if Genius wanted to finish the game with only chargelot + archon composition, then he should've done it right after he warped in 6 archons with his stacked gas...
That's exactly what I thought he was going to do, I was expecting those 3 Archons at a forward pylon and Genius attacking ASAP.
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On August 30 2011 20:22 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:19 aresendez88 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:18 Akhee wrote:On August 30 2011 20:16 aresendez88 wrote:
HORRIBLE POSITIONING!!
WHY WOULD YOU RUN THAT ARMY INTO A CHOKE?!!?!? YOUR ENTIRE ARMY IS MELEE UNITS! /sigh he couldnt stand so much without stalkers, and stalkers are only supply occupying in lategame... that's the imbaop protoss lategame guys To be fair if that same engagement had happened with a Stalker/Collosus/Sentry ball instead of Zealot Archon, the result would have been just as lol worthy as that was but roles reversed. That was just a bad place for a battle to take place. Well not only that, but if you have that many archons, Terran is able to only pump medivacs instead of worrying about vikings for your colossus. That's why I think it would be better to go colossus into archon after they die, then they have a bunch of floating vikings (read: less medivacs) and your archon/chargelot can come in to save the day.
no, what genius should have done was 3base zealot archon into 2robo colossus, but he was getting crushed by drops before he could think about it. If you go colossus as opening you just die to every shit or at least get behind
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That was awful. Archon Zealot doesn't scale well and running into a choke with that many Ghosts and that many Medivacs is suicide. Also poor drop defense. a couple of Zealots and a couple of Stalkers at main and at third and left there would have made a big difference.
That said, it was more a case of amazing play from Top rather than bad play from Genius, he could have done better but it's not that easy.
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Wolf ... you have no idea how Genius play's do you.
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Mobius_1 wrote:
That was awful. Archon Zealot doesn't scale well and running into a choke with that many Ghosts and that many Medivacs is suicide. Also poor drop defense. a couple of Zealots and a couple of Stalkers at main and at third and left there would have made a big difference.
That said, it was more a case of amazing play from Top rather than bad play from Genius, he could have done better but it's not that easy.
Good points. I agree.
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Genius losing would make me sad ;>.
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Mobius_1 wrote:
That was awful. Archon Zealot doesn't scale well and running into a choke with that many Ghosts and that many Medivacs is suicide. Also poor drop defense. a couple of Zealots and a couple of Stalkers at main and at third and left there would have made a big difference.
That said, it was more a case of amazing play from Top rather than bad play from Genius, he could have done better but it's not that easy.
No way, Genius wasn't that far behind because of those drops, it was Genius who completely threw the game away by attacking into a dumb position.
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I wonder if Genius will consider Nexus first and pray TOP doesn't scout him first.
Best counter against 1/1/1, but then again I doubt TOP will do it on this map anyway
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On August 30 2011 20:25 Emporio wrote:
GENIUS RAGE QUIT
LOL GHOSTS LET ME GET DROPPED I DONT WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE
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You cannot push into a narrow choke with archon/zealot. That composition is only really good in wide open spaces. He should have either pushed ASAP, without running there and back to defend 2 marines from dropping. Or he should have played even more macro, maybe taking the gold while transitioning to collosus.
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doa wtf what you doing there man
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:22 Demonace34 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:19 aresendez88 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:18 Akhee wrote:On August 30 2011 20:16 aresendez88 wrote:
HORRIBLE POSITIONING!!
WHY WOULD YOU RUN THAT ARMY INTO A CHOKE?!!?!? YOUR ENTIRE ARMY IS MELEE UNITS! /sigh he couldnt stand so much without stalkers, and stalkers are only supply occupying in lategame... that's the imbaop protoss lategame guys To be fair if that same engagement had happened with a Stalker/Collosus/Sentry ball instead of Zealot Archon, the result would have been just as lol worthy as that was but roles reversed. That was just a bad place for a battle to take place. Well not only that, but if you have that many archons, Terran is able to only pump medivacs instead of worrying about vikings for your colossus. That's why I think it would be better to go colossus into archon after they die, then they have a bunch of floating vikings (read: less medivacs) and your archon/chargelot can come in to save the day. no, what genius should have done was 3base zealot archon into 2robo colossus, but he was getting crushed by drops before he could think about it. If you go colossus as opening you just die to every shit or at least get behind
He wasn't getting "crushed". The drops did barely nothing but upset his focus. He could have left any number or zealots, stalkers or HTs to defend against them.
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:22 Demonace34 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:19 aresendez88 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:18 Akhee wrote:On August 30 2011 20:16 aresendez88 wrote:
HORRIBLE POSITIONING!!
WHY WOULD YOU RUN THAT ARMY INTO A CHOKE?!!?!? YOUR ENTIRE ARMY IS MELEE UNITS! /sigh he couldnt stand so much without stalkers, and stalkers are only supply occupying in lategame... that's the imbaop protoss lategame guys To be fair if that same engagement had happened with a Stalker/Collosus/Sentry ball instead of Zealot Archon, the result would have been just as lol worthy as that was but roles reversed. That was just a bad place for a battle to take place. Well not only that, but if you have that many archons, Terran is able to only pump medivacs instead of worrying about vikings for your colossus. That's why I think it would be better to go colossus into archon after they die, then they have a bunch of floating vikings (read: less medivacs) and your archon/chargelot can come in to save the day. no, what genius should have done was 3base zealot archon into 2robo colossus, but he was getting crushed by drops before he could think about it. If you go colossus as opening you just die to every shit or at least get behind
IMHO he had enough time to switch to Colo before and as the drops came knocking. If he had Thermal Lance Colos Terran wouldn't be able to sit in a choke like that and force Genius to run in in frustration and lose.
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Lysanias wrote:
Wolf ... you have no idea how Genius plays do you.
FTFY.
Play's= play is.
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On August 30 2011 20:24 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:22 Demonace34 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:19 aresendez88 wrote:On August 30 2011 20:18 Akhee wrote:On August 30 2011 20:16 aresendez88 wrote:
HORRIBLE POSITIONING!!
WHY WOULD YOU RUN THAT ARMY INTO A CHOKE?!!?!? YOUR ENTIRE ARMY IS MELEE UNITS! /sigh he couldnt stand so much without stalkers, and stalkers are only supply occupying in lategame... that's the imbaop protoss lategame guys To be fair if that same engagement had happened with a Stalker/Collosus/Sentry ball instead of Zealot Archon, the result would have been just as lol worthy as that was but roles reversed. That was just a bad place for a battle to take place. Well not only that, but if you have that many archons, Terran is able to only pump medivacs instead of worrying about vikings for your colossus. That's why I think it would be better to go colossus into archon after they die, then they have a bunch of floating vikings (read: less medivacs) and your archon/chargelot can come in to save the day. no, what genius should have done was 3base zealot archon into 2robo colossus, but he was getting crushed by drops before he could think about it. If you go colossus as opening you just die to every shit or at least get behind
2 phoenix when he was getting dropped and a decent 2 base colossus/chargelot with some stalkers to secure a 3rd wouldn't have been bad. That many archons are just way too fragile unless you are spreading them and attacking from a couple different angles. Colossus at least have health compared to archons, so EMP isn't as detrimental to your army.
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Top going fast cc on the low ground. Ballsy vs a guy that's gone void rays the past four games vs terran.
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EPT
