On August 30 2011 06:31 Chriscras wrote: What time is this taking place?
**EDIT** I clicked the stream link at at the top it says... Group Selection Show // Season 2 Preview 2 Tuesday 8/30/11 @6:00PM PDT That is 27 and a 1/2 hours from my post **EDIT**
Date: Monday, Aug 29 10:00am CDT (GMT-05:00)
That's 6 and a half hours ago... so... yeah... I don't know.
I wish you guys would random the groups with equal amount of races, last seasons group were so obviously set up. In my opinion, while it creates "story" and "drama" it just makes some of the groups seem like a farce, and integrity should be the first thing held sacred in any tournament.
Ugh all this hype creation constantly it's just annoying. Do people still really care about NASL? Most of the koreans not competing made this a completely uninteresting tournament. Couple that with the poor production and format (games aren't interesting enough as they hardly matter) and this is just the worst competition there is. NASL is just crap.
On August 30 2011 06:53 Markwerf wrote: Ugh all this hype creation constantly it's just annoying. Do people still really care about NASL? Most of the koreans not competing made this a completely uninteresting tournament. Couple that with the poor production and format (games aren't interesting enough as they hardly matter) and this is just the worst competition there is. NASL is just crap.
Then don't watch and stop crying thx for stopping in. bye
On August 30 2011 06:53 Markwerf wrote: Ugh all this hype creation constantly it's just annoying. Do people still really care about NASL? Most of the koreans not competing made this a completely uninteresting tournament. Couple that with the poor production and format (games aren't interesting enough as they hardly matter) and this is just the worst competition there is. NASL is just crap.
Yes people actually care about the NASL, sorry but everything doesn't revolve around the Koreans, why don't you just move to South Korea instead of QQing on the forums? Also you must not of watched the show matches the production was way better, but haters gonna hate sadly.
So the TL calendar on the right shows a different time for the drawing than the one in the OP. Can anyone confrim the exact starting time for the show? 11pm and 3am is a huge difference for europeans.
Need to change the OP.. its 'Group Selection' and if they are 'groups' then the piece also needs to change 'Divisions' to groups. Just my annoyance with an unified eSports in regards to terminology. Probably a discussion for another thread.. but something that should be figured out.
Suggestions:
Group Drawing/Selection
Groups 1, 2, etc..
Divisions are usually reserved for skill level 'tiers'
Revelation usually means that something has already been decided and will then be 'revealed'.
Who's this nasltv nub?? trying make shit hype for no reason ffs...TT;;
For real though, will be so cool to see how NASL does in it's second season, especially when you got HuK going ;D
I don't *have* to have koreans in tourney for it to be interesting, and I think it's kinda funny how in every MLG LR thread once the foreigners are gone and only koreans remain so many people go "lol no foreigners i'll just turn off stream"
And then so many people are whining about few koreans in NASL TT;; well ok
edit: edited out what I was warned for >,< wasn't being serious about the first part of the post User was warned for this post
On August 30 2011 23:32 Carny wrote: So the TL calendar on the right shows a different time for the drawing than the one in the OP. Can anyone confrim the exact starting time for the show? 11pm and 3am is a huge difference for europeans.
I'd be willing to bet it's 9:00PM Eastern/6:00PM Pacific. That's when all of their shows usually start.
I don't know for certain yet, but I think that I'll enjoy this season of NASL.
MLG gives me my dose of "lets see the koreans go to town on the foreigner scene."
NASL season 2 will give me my dose of "lets see which foreigners are doing their homework". Its the only major tournament outside of Korea that focuses around weekly matchups, so people get to train specifically for their opponent. Koreans are very strong players, but some of the best moments of the GSL are when players make builds to counter their enemies (Nestea's spine crawler rush versus a protoss fast expand, thorzains use of marauders + concussive to counter the blue flame hellion craze in the GSTL).
It's up to the production/casters to make everything go smoothly in presenting the games, and its up to the players to showcase their skill. I've been digging the showmatches a lot.
It's been said before by both Tyler and Incontrol, but NASL has the opportunity to focus on the players and build storylines. Maybe for each week, NASL could send out an interview question that players could prepare responses for prior to their match. From what I remember, the interviews from the first season seemed a little bit on the spot, and unprepared.
Sample questions that could be asked: How did you get started in gaming? in Starcraft 2? When did you know you wanted to become pro? Why'd you pick your race? Incontrol's famous question from earlier sotgs, "What would you do if you won the money" Who would you place on a 8 person foreigner team that would compete in the gSTL (fantasy league). Whose not in the league but is an up and comer and you could see in the league next season? What game would you play professionally if not starcraft 2 and why?
Hopefully the players would put a bit of effort into their answers so that the community gets to learn about the players' personality (face palm at some of the NASL season 1 audition videos).
Anyway, way excited to see what divisions everybody is in. I really hope we get players really researching their opponents / talking amongst their teammates.
On August 31 2011 00:31 marttorn wrote: Who's this nasltv nub?? low post count trying make shit hype for no reason ffs...TT;;
For real though, [...]
lol that nub was a member before you mr zealot with almost 1000 posts. quality over quantity.
As I edited into my post, I wasn't being serious at all sorry if it came off that way (v_v)
Although it kind of seems you imply my posts are of lower quality because i'm a high activity member, kind of weird when I was warned for using post count as an insult? :S
On August 31 2011 00:31 marttorn wrote: Who's this nasltv nub?? low post count trying make shit hype for no reason ffs...TT;;
For real though, [...]
lol that nub was a member before you mr zealot with almost 1000 posts. quality over quantity.
As I edited into my post, I wasn't being serious at all sorry if it came off that way (v_v)
Although it kind of seems you imply my posts are of lower quality because i'm a high activity member, kind of weird when I was warned for using post count as an insult? :S
I reported you before you were warned. I guess my point is if you weren't being serious it wasn't a funny joke. Just makes you look wet behind the ears.
I can watch almost any match up I want becuase of NASL season 1 and the ridiculous amount of games that were cast. NASL season 2 will be fun too even if it is missing something.
Not sure I agree that group 5 is stacked. Groups are much more balanced this season.
If anything I'd say group 3 is going to be the most difficult. Most of the players are roughly the same level which makes it near impossible to predict.
On August 31 2011 10:29 ThaZenith wrote: Hmmmm, I think I'll not watch just to protest the players in the showmatch. IdrA vs Jinro for their first showmatch, then this? lol
...what? You werent entitled to pick who plays in the first place or anything.
Groups 3 and 5 seem to be much higher level overall than the other groups.
Overall, pretty happy with the selections. There are a few players that I would love to see there (stephano, nerchio, other good euros) but I guess not everyone wanted to join NASL either so I imagine a few good players refused their invites.
I feel like there should be fewer dead last players that aren't putting up a good fight than last season... hopefully.
On August 31 2011 10:33 Kurr wrote: Groups 3 and 5 seem to be much higher level overall than the other groups.
Overall, pretty happy with the selections. There are a few players that I would love to see there (stephano, nerchio, other good euros) but I guess not everyone wanted to join NASL either so I imagine a few good players refused their invites.
I feel like there should be fewer dead last players that aren't putting up a good fight than last season... hopefully.
Yeah, there seems to be fewer players who look like dead wood in their groups. Overall the groups seem be much better balanced in terms of level of players for season 2.
Something about the nasl stream lags me to hell, 30mbs connection and cant even watch 480p without lag, yet no other justin.tv channel gives me issues.
On August 31 2011 10:38 Naughty wrote: Something about the nasl stream lags me to hell, 30mbs connection and cant even watch 480p without lag, yet no other justin.tv channel gives me issues.
Aside from that production looks better.
It's fine here on a pretty terrible connection. 0 Lag and great quality,
On August 31 2011 10:40 Supdude wrote: Just curious... why are three Swedes are in the same group. I thought NASL tries to avoid that
Well, nation kill is not the same as a team kill.
Spreading out the races and skill seems more important to me as first priority. Then teams. Last would be country (but to be honest I wouldn't even take it into consideration, not a big deal for me).
On August 31 2011 10:38 Naughty wrote: Something about the nasl stream lags me to hell, 30mbs connection and cant even watch 480p without lag, yet no other justin.tv channel gives me issues.
On August 31 2011 10:41 Angelbelow wrote: I feel like the production value has gotten better. Hope they continue to improve.
Production is great I agree. Video quality was already good last season so no qualms there. Husky is becoming a good caster with time so I have no problem with the casters either.
The only things that can hurt NASL this season : 1) Lower viewer count because of lack of koreans 2) Bad matches 3) No shows 4) Not making the live finals better than season 1. 5) Repeated stream troubles similar to season 1.
Overall, I'm not too worried about the stream or live finals. Biggest issue is match quality. Hopefully it will up to par.
On August 31 2011 10:38 Naughty wrote: Something about the nasl stream lags me to hell, 30mbs connection and cant even watch 480p without lag, yet no other justin.tv channel gives me issues.
Aside from that production looks better.
i am in the same boat
was hoping it wasnt just me..
Odd thing though, I can stream full 1080 up untill the actions starts the video freezes and sound keeps going. even if on a lower res.
Was like this for me all last season as well with a different internet provider to boot, no clue why :\
On August 31 2011 10:38 Naughty wrote: Something about the nasl stream lags me to hell, 30mbs connection and cant even watch 480p without lag, yet no other justin.tv channel gives me issues.
Aside from that production looks better.
i am in the same boat
was hoping it wasnt just me..
Odd thing though, I can stream full 1080 up untill the actions starts the video freezes and sound keeps going. even if on a lower res.
Sounds more like a flash problem. When that happens to me, changing between fullscreen and windowed a couple of times usually fixes it instantly.
I wasn't a gretorp hater in season 1, but I DEFINITELY did not like his casting. However, he also soon appeared to improve too. Hes much more confident which actually helps out a lot. Will look forward to his casting this season.
On August 31 2011 10:10 NuclearJudas wrote: looool, Division 5 is stacked once again.
Uhh what? Are we looking at the same groups?
QXC, TLO, Moman, Tyler, TT1. When was the last time any of these guys won anything major? Hasuobs and Dimaga are good but inconsistent. Puma is easily the best player in the group.
I'm afraid that Gretorp will keep me from buying a subscription (also, the loss of most koreans). I find it very hard to enjoy watching the NASL with him presenting and casting. I've got nothing against him personally. I'm sure he's a great guy, but he lacks charisma and I am really not a fan of his humor and casting style. Nevertheless, I wish NASL and everyone involved the best of luck. Hopefully you'll keep pulling good viewership and keep growing.
Gretorp sure takes it slow with his interview I mean, it's a good interview but he's conversing with him when only the actual question will get translated. I'm sure he knows that as well.
On August 31 2011 10:54 rave[wcr] wrote: still a few koreans in there. i still think puma is the only thing worth watching in this tourney now
Hero? Huk? Idra? Rain? Sen? Select? QXC? Dimaga? Just to name a few. There are plenty of great exciting players. I guess you must dislike watching 2/3's of GSL if you only like players like Puma
Wow, groups are surprisingly stacked even with all the leaving Koreans (still some weak players in the mix though). I'm really like the the production flourishes like the player portraits and stuff (Moman's was perfect!), so I am keeping my fingers crossed for the success of the next season!
I think Gretorp would do well on a phone sex online. He talks so smoothly and slowly, he's just so sensual. And with his amazing gift of turning anything into an involuntary sexual innuendo, he has a future job lined up incase NASL doesn't work out in the future.
Also, I think he looks a lot more comfortable than last season because he's more in control of the place. Husky doesn't poke fun at him as much as incontrol (OH YEAH! You saw that pun coming in from a mile away!) and I think that threw him a bit off balance last season often times.
Pretty amazed that people are saying group 5 is stacked, how much Starcraft have you guys been watching recently? With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
Not really a fan of two invitational leagues in a row. I think re-doing the qualifiers would have been better.
Oh well, perhaps it will sort itself out next season. By the third season, weaker links would have certainly have filtered out if their maintained a consistent format or held qualifiers, but with a reset there will likely be some left over for the third season.
On August 31 2011 11:25 Agnosthar wrote: Pretty amazed that people are saying group 5 is stacked, how much Starcraft have you guys been watching recently? With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
Agreed.
And softball is not an exception. He's supposedly on a similar level to Sen.
On August 31 2011 11:27 Mordiford wrote: Not really a fan of two invitational leagues in a row. I think re-doing the qualifiers would have been better.
Oh well, perhaps it will sort itself out next season. By the third season, weaker links would have certainly have filtered out if their maintained a consistent format or held qualifiers, but with a reset there will likely be some left over for the third season.
There's a timecrunch when it comes to this. Especially with the booking of the venue for the live finals, as well as not having it run into Christmas.
Advertising, preparing, making the production for the qualifiers as well as for those who qualified, casting etc etc. I'm not sure you could run enough qualifiers to replace 14 people.
On August 31 2011 11:25 Agnosthar wrote: With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
Wut, Softball is easily the best player in that group.
On August 31 2011 11:25 Agnosthar wrote: With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
Wut, Softball is easily the best player in that group.
Softball and Sen.. Taiwan Hope, again
(ref. the picture uploaded to Sen's facebook page haha)
On August 31 2011 11:21 B.I.G. wrote: I have yet to find a single player in this line up who can give puma the slightest form of resistance, let alone challenge him for the title.
Kiwi? Huk? IdrA? Sen? White-Ra? Open Bracket player?
On August 31 2011 11:21 B.I.G. wrote: I have yet to find a single player in this line up who can give puma the slightest form of resistance, let alone challenge him for the title.
Kiwi? Huk? IdrA? Sen? White-Ra? Open Bracket player?
On August 31 2011 11:27 Mordiford wrote: Not really a fan of two invitational leagues in a row. I think re-doing the qualifiers would have been better.
Oh well, perhaps it will sort itself out next season. By the third season, weaker links would have certainly have filtered out if their maintained a consistent format or held qualifiers, but with a reset there will likely be some left over for the third season.
There's a timecrunch when it comes to this. Especially with the booking of the venue for the live finals, as well as not having it run into Christmas.
Advertising, preparing, making the production for the qualifiers as well as for those who qualified, casting etc etc. I'm not sure you could run enough qualifiers to replace 14 people.
Doesn't take much longer than it took them to make the decision, they could have extended the previous qualifier and taken the top finishers from there and then held another one to take the top 8 from there to round out 14 players.
There are currently players who were selected who were out-done in qualifiers by others and I'm not a fan of completely invite based tournaments anyways, particularly ones that are this large. This was a gripe I had with the first season but didn't really think it was a huge deal because it would sort itself out and filter players as the qualifiers were held.
I have no issue with invites for a small number of players who are generally heads and shoulders above the competition or otherwise stand out, the IPL invited a small number of players for the IPL 3 and while generally I'm more for pure qualifier based tournaments, having a mixed format is fine as long as the invites are small and clearly exceptional. The problem with pure invite is that I can name players that could easily compare with more than half the players on the roster who weren't invited.
A similar issue arises with MLG's format which is something that isn't problematic when they use it for Halo. In Halo, the top teams are pretty far out from others, but in SC2 there are a number of players who are forced through the open bracket who could give the pool players a run for their money, particularly some of the weaker pool players so the cushion is too excessive.
In Starcraft, there are a lot more comparable players so invitations can often leave out numerous players who could have competed. It's really unfortunate and therefor not a format I like watching simply because knowing that some players may have been unfairly slighted despite their performance ruins the experience a bit.
On August 31 2011 11:25 Agnosthar wrote: Pretty amazed that people are saying group 5 is stacked, how much Starcraft have you guys been watching recently? With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
QXC playing good lately. Dimaga... nuff said. HasuObs playing pretty good lately. Solid top performer just doesn't get over the hump. Tyler potentially strong. Puma dominating. TLO has his moments. TTI / Moman... meh.
Relooking over them. I think just about every group is pretty stacked besides 4. 1 is on a different level though.
On August 31 2011 10:23 XnG_777 wrote: The Idra link in the OP is his BW terran profile.
EDIT: same for hero
Always happens when you TLPD-ize a post.
Gotta fix it manually.
The wrong HerO Link has nothing to do with the TLPD'ize problem, as it is simply the wrong TLPD!
The used TLPD is from the Broodwar Player Jo Il Jang "hero", who is not at all identical with the Player Song Hyeon Duk "HerO"! The right TLPD for Song Hyeon Duk would be the following one: HerO
Is Softball that great? No disrespect to him, but I get the feeling that most people think he's great because they've seen Softball replays which were actually Sen playing on Softball's account. Softball is actually a Terran.
On August 31 2011 10:23 XnG_777 wrote: The Idra link in the OP is his BW terran profile.
EDIT: same for hero
Always happens when you TLPD-ize a post.
Gotta fix it manually.
The wrong HerO Link has nothing to do with the TLPD'ize problem, as it is simply the wrong TLPD!
The used TLPD is from the Broodwar Player Jo Il Jang "hero", who is not at all identical with the Player Song Hyeon Duk "HerO"! The right TLPD for Song Hyeon Duk would be the following one: HerO
Yea but that's because he automatically tlpd-ized the post. Which takes the BW account first (hero in BW was jo il jang).
For example, I'm going to type hero and tlpdize this post.
On August 31 2011 10:23 XnG_777 wrote: The Idra link in the OP is his BW terran profile.
EDIT: same for hero
Always happens when you TLPD-ize a post.
Gotta fix it manually.
The wrong HerO Link has nothing to do with the TLPD'ize problem, as it is simply the wrong TLPD!
The used TLPD is from the Broodwar Player Jo Il Jang "hero", who is not at all identical with the Player Song Hyeon Duk "HerO"! The right TLPD for Song Hyeon Duk would be the following one: HerO
Yea but that's because he automatically tlpd-ized the post. Which takes the BW account first (hero in BW was jo il jang).
For example, I'm going to type hero and tlpdize this post.
EDIT: that's why it comes up as the wrong hero.
Oh, sorry! You're of course, right! Mistake on my part!
Division 4, is Zerg Heaven with Moonglade, Ret & Sen only miss Dimaga and IdrA...but that would make it too ridicilous Nice players and divisions overall looking forward too a good season
On August 31 2011 13:14 flakmonkey wrote: Is Softball that great? No disrespect to him, but I get the feeling that most people think he's great because they've seen Softball replays which were actually Sen playing on Softball's account. Softball is actually a Terran.
He's not absolute top tier, but he should be able to stand up against midtier NA/EU players.
I am going for Gummie bear Sen on this one ! I believe he now finished university and is a full pro, with more hours of practice he's going past beast mode !
Somewhere i hope for Ret aswell, but it's hard to root for him because his inconsistency and no way knowing if he's practicing at all or not.
Also looking out for the HerO games, the guy is a baller for sure, and i love his play. I knew he was good from his stream but at MLG i have not seen a protoss with that control in a long time.
Looking back through the player list a second time, there really are a lot of good players missing.
This is why I really don't like the pure invitational format, too many good players get left out without getting an even chance to compete.
Even players like Grubby have improved drastically from the first season and yet despite him having a record no more abysmal than QXC, he gets left out. The same goes for a large number of players like Slush, Drewbie, KawaiiRice, GoOdy and Cloud who get left out where players like Tyler and Haypro reenter.
Not to mention the massive number of players who weren't in the first season but are comparable to players in the league and performed fairly well in the qualifiers(which are basically discounted since they were almost entirely topped by players who aren't competing).
Oh well, such is the nature of a pure invitational tournament...
Sorry Xeris, I remember your conversation with Desrow in the other thread regarding the picks for the second season. They aren't really bad, but it's just the nature of going by such a large tournament for invite only and the NASL is certainly not the first to do it but players always get left out with this system which is unfair.
On August 31 2011 11:25 Agnosthar wrote: Pretty amazed that people are saying group 5 is stacked, how much Starcraft have you guys been watching recently? With the possible exception of Softball, every player in division 3 is top quality and anyone could win that division.
QXC playing good lately. Dimaga... nuff said. HasuObs playing pretty good lately. Solid top performer just doesn't get over the hump. Tyler potentially strong. Puma dominating. TLO has his moments. TTI / Moman... meh.
Relooking over them. I think just about every group is pretty stacked besides 4. 1 is on a different level though.
You're really overselling Tyler and TLO. Puma is obviously amazing, and Dimaga is very good. Hasu is pretty good but not exactly dominant recently, and QXC is pretty good. Personally I think both Groups 4 and 5 are pretty weak.
Group 3 has to be the strongest though. Six legitimate contenders for Top 2 in Group (Hwangsin, Idra, Sjow, Kiwikaki, Morrow, Socke), while Jinro and Softball could still be competitive in such a division. There's no weak spots at all.
On August 31 2011 15:59 kraut wrote: why in gods name dont teammates play on the first day against eachother?
I have to agree with this - they should've really scheduled all team matches at start to prevent match fixing in the last few weeks to help a team member make the playoffs or whatever.
Feel like the tournament is not stacked enough. Also if you can't get koreans to come, take second best; Chinese :D Could differentiate from other tourney's and still have amazing play.
Was it announced whether the format was the same for advancing from group stage? Top 2 from each group, a playoffs for 5 spots and then 1 player from the open bracket?
Group 1: WhiteRa and maybe Hero are the only true title contenders. Sheth, Demuslim and maybe Fenix (if he actually starts to show improvement from being in Korea) could post good results too.
Group 2: Huk, Rain and Mana a level above the rest in this group. Predicting Huk and Mana to take it as Rain's skills will deteriorate from being out of Korea.
Group 3: Extremely deep group as any of these players could finish in any order and I wouldn't be surprised. Strangely enough despite the depth I think Socke is the only one who can go deep into the grand finals unless Idra reaps immediate benefits from being in Korea and Kiwikaki gives up poker.
Group 4: Sen's group to lose, but Strelok, Ret and Select are excellent competition as well.
Group 5: Puma easily the best player in this group and Dimaga easily the second best player. Hasuobs could potentially play spoiler depending on what kind of form he's in. QXC will be in school and his Korean training will have completely worn off so I don't think he'll make much noise.
On August 31 2011 11:24 Sith Inquisitor wrote: Another season with this bad format? ...how about a Super Tournament Format with 64 or 48 players?
I know, let's increase the variance hugely and make it so that if you lose once, you're done! Excellent idea!
Surprised that they've seemingly cut down to 40 players, although it makes it slightly shorter so I guess it works. Still, missing off Nerchio and Stephano is a pretty major error
On August 31 2011 11:24 Sith Inquisitor wrote: Another season with this bad format? ...how about a Super Tournament Format with 64 or 48 players?
I love this format. I like knockout tournaments as well, but do we really need yet another knockout tournament? This, to me, is like the Premier League in football, while the GSL is the Champions Leagues. With NASL, you've got consistent games and you know that you can tune in to watch some high quality SC every day. You can also follow your favourite players, and unlike in knockout tournaments, there's no threat of then being knocked out early due to a loss.
Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. This format is slightly less exciting than a knockout tournament, and each game means less. However, it makes up for it by providing entertainment more consistently spread out over a longer period of time. As I said, I like both formats, but I think we have enough knockout tournaments, and I love having something to tune into every night.
This lineup is a bit blured by the NA-Players and complete Liquid&EG team invites, therefore it looks not that impressive as it could be. We definitely need a European Star League.
I dont get all the complains about the lineup. Its pretty sick imo. Sure there are some "weaker" players in (Haypro, Incontrol) and really strong players left out (Stefano, Nerchio) but overall its a solid lineup.
On August 31 2011 20:03 DaCruise wrote: I dont get all the complains about the lineup. Its pretty sick imo. Sure there are some "weaker" players in (Haypro, Incontrol) and really strong players left out (Stefano, Nerchio) but overall its a solid lineup.
pity indeed. Whats more, Thorzain will be back from KR n 8th September... he would be a great addition TT
this looks like it could again produce some great matches, will definitely be tuning in too watch season 1 gave me something to watch every night after finishing up homework etc
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
I couldn't count ten and the ones i could count are most likely americans and therefor a prefered over grubby.
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
I couldn't count ten and the ones i could count are most likely americans and therefor a prefered over grubby.
Agree, 10 is a lot to count out of 40 but im getting close but i dont dare posting them cause maybe im a fanboy to much But surely he is better then a few they allready invited. But still, dont think there is a lot of people in the current NASL that got a bigger fanbase then grubby so dont really get why he gets invited for season1 while he got zero change, and now he is 6 months further and getting better each day/tourney they dont invite him!? Thats just strange.. I really am not buying a ticket if he doesnt get in, just cause nasl failed to hard by not inviting him, in my opinion!
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
Bad season 1 results (#47 out of 50) means no re-invitation.
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
Bad season 1 results (#47 out of 50) means no re-invitation.
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
I couldn't count ten and the ones i could count are most likely americans and therefor a prefered over grubby.
Agree, 10 is a lot to count out of 40 but im getting close but i dont dare posting them cause maybe im a fanboy to much But surely he is better then a few they allready invited. But still, dont think there is a lot of people in the current NASL that got a bigger fanbase then grubby so dont really get why he gets invited for season1 while he got zero change, and now he is 6 months further and getting better each day/tourney they dont invite him!? Thats just strange.. I really am not buying a ticket if he doesnt get in, just cause nasl failed to hard by not inviting him, in my opinion!
Grubby is indeed a good player and I would like to see him as well but you are just way to biased. I can easily count 10 EU players better than Grubby who is not in season 2.
Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler.
On September 01 2011 00:52 Coach wrote: Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler.
On September 01 2011 00:52 Coach wrote: Didn't both sixjax dde and FXO sC qualify from season 1? I don't see them in groups. They got snubbed by eliminated players sixjax ViBe, FXO qxc, Liquid HayprO, or Liquid Tyler.
sC is having health issues and potentially already pulled out before them so it's been known for a while that he wasn't going to be attending by choice.
Not sure what happened with dde but I'm guessing he either didn't want to play or couldn't as there is nothing to indicate NASL hasn't been true to their commitments to players.
On August 31 2011 14:10 BoBisComing2getU wrote: WHERE IS ARTOSIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Rolf artosis!?!?!? u trolling? WHERE IS GRUBBY?!?!?!?!?!!
Agree, they invited him when he just started practicing SC2, and now when he became quite good, not invited?? Grubby has a lot of fans (me included), so it's simply stupid not to invite him. Also he's a lot better than at least 10 players who got invites. This seriously makes me not watch NASL.
Bad season 1 results (#47 out of 50) means no re-invitation.
While I personally am happy with the players for this season, qxc was #48 out of 50 so one could argue as to why he was re-invited over Grubby. I'm sure his all kill in the GSTL played a big part in it but his invite partly negates the #x of 50 argument.
Edit: Xeris, thanks for the dde info. Much appreciated.
Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above.
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM
On September 01 2011 01:05 Coach wrote: Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above.
In the announcement thread Xeris goes over why many of those players were not invited. As for some of the others, he's said multiple times if they didn't show an interest in NASL before hand he didn't reach out to them. By show interest in I mean compete in the qualifiers or communicate their desire to be part of the league the Koreans dropped out. There is also the ever present visa issues potentially for some as well.
Edit: forgot this wasn't the announcement thread so added a link instead of page 32 reference.
On September 01 2011 01:05 Coach wrote: Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above.
In the announcement thread Xeris goes over why many of those players were not invited. As for some of the others, he's said multiple times if they didn't show an interest in NASL before hand he didn't reach out to them. By show interest in mean compete in the qualifiers or communicate their interest to him once the Koreans dropped out. There is also the very present visa issues potentially for some as well.
Edit: forgot this wasn't the announcement thread so added a link instead of page 32 reference.
Everything seems to be shaping up for a great season 2. I am a little perplexed as to why they went with an 8 week season instead of 7. I liked being able to see every player every week. Though I suppose not seeing a favorite for one of the 8 weeks isn't that big of a deal.
On September 01 2011 00:33 Bobster wrote: Not many teamkills, a healthy balance between Asia/NA/Europe in every division, healthy racial balance... no group of death like they did in season 1.
Looking pretty good from here.
It's not really balanced if you look at it regionally. Seven Asians (not counting Moonan/Select, but counting Moonglade) amongst 40 players is certainly not a good ratio.
I'd say that it's relatively balanced nationally, but in terms of continents, Europe is quite overrepresented (almost half of the players).
I don't really give a shit either way, but I wouldn't call it a "healthy balance."
The groups seem pretty evened out for me. No group of death or anything. This is shaping up to be a great season1!! Gotta say, Puma is the definite favorite going in.
On September 01 2011 00:33 Bobster wrote: Not many teamkills, a healthy balance between Asia/NA/Europe in every division, healthy racial balance... no group of death like they did in season 1.
Looking pretty good from here.
It's not really balanced if you look at it regionally. Seven Asians (not counting Moonan/Select, but counting Moonglade) amongst 40 players is certainly not a good ratio.
I'd say that it's relatively balanced nationally, but in terms of continents, Europe is quite overrepresented (almost half of the players).
I don't really give a shit either way, but I wouldn't call it a "healthy balance."
You can't really expect KR to be half the tournament, considering 90% of them withdrew last minute, remember?
On September 01 2011 02:28 red4ce wrote: I thought this was the NASL. Why are there only 13 players from the USA or Canada?
=P
because they invited some more..there will be less in season 3. but my guess is that we will see some random invites in season 3 too (only 40 players this season ,) )
On September 01 2011 00:33 Bobster wrote: Not many teamkills, a healthy balance between Asia/NA/Europe in every division, healthy racial balance... no group of death like they did in season 1.
Looking pretty good from here.
It's not really balanced if you look at it regionally. Seven Asians (not counting Moonan/Select, but counting Moonglade) amongst 40 players is certainly not a good ratio.
I'd say that it's relatively balanced nationally, but in terms of continents, Europe is quite overrepresented (almost half of the players).
I don't really give a shit either way, but I wouldn't call it a "healthy balance."
You can't really expect KR to be half the tournament, considering 90% of them withdrew last minute, remember?
When did I expect anything, or when did I even mention KR? I was just saying that the term "healthy balance" isn't applicable in this situation when we are talking about regional/continental representation.
On September 01 2011 01:05 Coach wrote: Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above.
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM
SoftBall is low profile, but he is good friends with sen and apparently a beastly taiwanese player. i'd give him a chance because a lot of asian players are underrated/unheard of. iNkA doesn't have a team anymore so can't go to as many tourneys, but he is easily better than a lot of people. HwangSin I don't know much about, but his team league appearances weren't inspiring, but weren't bad. I'm sure he has a reason to be there. DeMuslim is GOOD. He went through MLG open bracket, stopping only after hitting Liquid'Hero
On September 01 2011 01:05 Coach wrote: Also instead of some of those 12 new invites I would of preferred these players: They could of invited Nerchio, Stephano, MajOr, GoOdy, SaSe, XiGua, NamhciR, and Tarson. Instead of maybe those 4 mentioned above.
Dimaga, Huk, and Jinro are well deserved. Lowely qualified
I question the invite of these 4: SoftBall, iNkA, HwangSin, and DeMusliM
SoftBall is low profile, but he is good friends with sen and apparently a beastly taiwanese player. i'd give him a chance because a lot of asian players are underrated/unheard of. iNkA doesn't have a team anymore so can't go to as many tourneys, but he is easily better than a lot of people. HwangSin I don't know much about, but his team league appearances weren't inspiring, but weren't bad. I'm sure he has a reason to be there. DeMuslim is GOOD. He went through MLG open bracket, stopping only after hitting Liquid'Hero
There are a lot of NA Protoss players comparable to or better than iNkA, I dunno. SoftBall is an unknown, so can't really comment there but HwangSin has also lost to a fair few decent NA players who aren't included. DeMuslim is once again a pretty solid choice but there are comparable Terrans out there.
The race balance was done nicely with each group consisting of 3/3/2 also the teams were balanced fairly. Only team that is pretty much unavoidable is Liquid since they have so many members participating. Only change I would of probably have done was put Sheth and HerO alone in different groups rather then having HayprO and Jinro alone. HayprO and Jinro could of been paired up instead.
Also two notable free agents that should be able to find a team anytime soon are Fenix and mOOnGLaDe. Maybe Liquid Fenix and Liquid mOOnGLaDe imo sounds nice to me. Team Liquid needs to reach out to Latin America and Southeast Asia continent players. Plus they can use another terran user. Both players respectably are the best from their individual country. Should qualify for future WCG and/or BlizzCon.
On September 01 2011 00:33 Bobster wrote: Not many teamkills, a healthy balance between Asia/NA/Europe in every division, healthy racial balance... no group of death like they did in season 1.
Looking pretty good from here.
It's not really balanced if you look at it regionally. Seven Asians (not counting Moonan/Select, but counting Moonglade) amongst 40 players is certainly not a good ratio.
I'd say that it's relatively balanced nationally, but in terms of continents, Europe is quite overrepresented (almost half of the players).
I don't really give a shit either way, but I wouldn't call it a "healthy balance."
No, I'd say that's a pretty healthy balance considering the situation they're in. A solid EU basis, some more NA, a handful of Koreans sprinkled in and three SEA/Asia players to round it all off.
On August 31 2011 11:24 Sith Inquisitor wrote: Another season with this bad format? ...how about a Super Tournament Format with 64 or 48 players?
This, to me, is like the Premier League in football, while the GSL is the Champions Leagues.
NASL is more like Serie A (Bad Players, Bad Production, Bad Fans). Look at the Playerline-up. The Playoffs in like 5month will be so boring, the season will be meaningless. why should anyone waste their time watching season-games? they doesn't matter at all! at the end some random player like DIMAGA will win the Open Bracket and win the whole thing like PuMa did. Possible Playoff-games Sjow vs DarkForce are just really boring and won't attract allot of viewers.
On September 01 2011 02:28 red4ce wrote: I thought this was the NASL. Why are there only 13 players from the USA or Canada?
Oh Boy, are you really that stupid? Global StarCraft League means Players from across the world? NASL only means: Bad League hold in NA.
Division 3 looks very close to me. Jinro, Sjow, Morrow, Socke, Idra and Kiwikaki are all quite evenly matched. Among these players, everyone can beat the others on any given day. I have no idea how strong Hwangsin is. Softball is probably a level below the rest. Anyway, Division 3 is by far the most exciting for me.
On September 01 2011 00:33 Bobster wrote: Not many teamkills, a healthy balance between Asia/NA/Europe in every division, healthy racial balance... no group of death like they did in season 1.
Looking pretty good from here.
It's not really balanced if you look at it regionally. Seven Asians (not counting Moonan/Select, but counting Moonglade) amongst 40 players is certainly not a good ratio.
I'd say that it's relatively balanced nationally, but in terms of continents, Europe is quite overrepresented (almost half of the players).
I don't really give a shit either way, but I wouldn't call it a "healthy balance."
No, I'd say that's a pretty healthy balance considering the situation they're in. A solid EU basis, some more NA, a handful of Koreans sprinkled in and three SEA/Asia players to round it all off.
Looks really good to me.
I guess we have a different understanding of what "healthy balance" means. I'm just disappointed that the Chinese players aren't being represented here (quite a few of whom are easily on the level of top Euros) - whether it's due to not applying, not being accepted, or through any other reason.
Really glad to see Inka in there, dude has beasted his way through open bracket in MLG falling to Tyler both times IIRC. But seriously a sick good NA protoss.
NASL is so ridiculously awesome to me. It's more and more like a regular sport with your regular season and then your playoffs and champion. Games actually matter quite a damn bit because the higher you place in your division the better your chances of making the main bracket where you're guaranteed at least some money. As soon as I can afford to ill be getting an HD pass and enjoying it every time i watch just like last season.
p.s. production got better throughout the last season so I'm hoping for better and better!
On September 01 2011 02:28 red4ce wrote: I thought this was the NASL. Why are there only 13 players from the USA or Canada?
=P
because lots of NA players are terrible.
It's hosted in NA...I can't stand people who make fun of that. If not for the Korean dropouts, there'd be barely any NA players. Does it really matter? Is the US Open mainly players from the US? No, there's top players from everywhere and that's how it should be. This isn't the NAOSL; North American Only Star League, red4ce's comment that is repeatedly posted by multiple people is endlessly pointless and frustrating.
Is Husky confirmed to be casting the whole season?
I think people are confusing the strongest division with the most balanced division.
Group 3 is the most balanced but surely not the strongest. I feel you could pick 3 or 4 players from Group 1 who could easily take Group 3. I don't think any other than Idra could realistically take Group 1.
On September 01 2011 02:28 red4ce wrote: I thought this was the NASL. Why are there only 13 players from the USA or Canada?
=P
because lots of NA players are terrible.
It's hosted in NA...I can't stand people who make fun of that. If not for the Korean dropouts, there'd be barely any NA players. Does it really matter? Is the US Open mainly players from the US? No, there's top players from everywhere and that's how it should be. This isn't the NAOSL; North American Only Star League, red4ce's comment that is repeatedly posted by multiple people is endlessly pointless and frustrating.
Is Husky confirmed to be casting the whole season?
I'm not making fun of it, merely stating the truth (if you noticed, I live in canada). If NA players were better more of them would be in the ipl.
On September 01 2011 02:28 red4ce wrote: I thought this was the NASL. Why are there only 13 players from the USA or Canada?
=P
because lots of NA players are terrible.
It's hosted in NA...I can't stand people who make fun of that. If not for the Korean dropouts, there'd be barely any NA players. Does it really matter? Is the US Open mainly players from the US? No, there's top players from everywhere and that's how it should be. This isn't the NAOSL; North American Only Star League, red4ce's comment that is repeatedly posted by multiple people is endlessly pointless and frustrating.
Is Husky confirmed to be casting the whole season?
Hint: The =P at the end of my post is meant to indicate sarcasm. I have the exact same sentiments as you, which is why I posted it to point out the hypocrisy of people who claim to be interested in the development of NA e-sports when really all they wanted was no Koreans.
On September 01 2011 09:16 Gojira621 wrote: NASL is so ridiculously awesome to me. It's more and more like a regular sport with your regular season and then your playoffs and champion. Games actually matter quite a damn bit because the higher you place in your division the better your chances of making the main bracket where you're guaranteed at least some money. As soon as I can afford to ill be getting an HD pass and enjoying it every time i watch just like last season.
p.s. production got better throughout the last season so I'm hoping for better and better!
Completely agree with this. It's great to see an esports tournament mimic what works for regular sports. GSL is great and all, but its awfully easy to miss a week and be totally left behind. NASL's format creates for a lot of great, meaningful games without making one bo3 make or break everything.
On August 30 2011 06:53 Markwerf wrote: Ugh all this hype creation constantly it's just annoying. Do people still really care about NASL? Most of the koreans not competing made this a completely uninteresting tournament. Couple that with the poor production and format (games aren't interesting enough as they hardly matter) and this is just the worst competition there is. NASL is just crap.
Yes people actually care about the NASL, sorry but everything doesn't revolve around the Koreans, why don't you just move to South Korea instead of QQing on the forums? Also you must not of watched the show matches the production was way better, but haters gonna hate sadly.
SC2 kinda does revolve around Korea. When one country wins just about any tournament they attend you can see the problem with them not attending. I wont watch Bronze leaguers slugging it out for $100 and this is just a less extreme version of that feeling, *shrug*.
seems liek the groups were picked though, you can tell how their players are split accross the 5 groups pretty much in perfect sync without too many of one race in one and a lot of another in another, could be good that at elast we wont have a group of mirror matchups!!!
Division1 probably the hardest to pick a certain top 2 to say, Followed by Division 2.
Division 5 looks the easier of the 5 on paaper cant see Puma having any troubles at all.
SC2 does revolve around the big tournaments. Korea got the GSL/Gom-Stuff. All others are somewhere else.
If Koreans decied to not fly around it's their fault. The games of foreigners are more than entertaining enough to watch them. Your missing out, not the NASL.
First, big names in the foreigner's scene - NASL has most of them.
Second, the competition isn't that bad. With players like HuK, Sen, Puma, and most of the top EU pros, this is by no means a low-skill/minor leagues tournament.
Third, a good spread of regions means that we get to see diverse play styles duking it out, along with potential regional rivalries. We don't have all the regions, but with Taiwan in the fray it's more than what most international tournaments have.
Finally, I do want to see what NASL has fixed since last season, as that was their first, experimental run. They should have a more experienced setup this time around.
On August 30 2011 06:53 Markwerf wrote: Ugh all this hype creation constantly it's just annoying. Do people still really care about NASL? Most of the koreans not competing made this a completely uninteresting tournament. Couple that with the poor production and format (games aren't interesting enough as they hardly matter) and this is just the worst competition there is. NASL is just crap.
Yes people actually care about the NASL, sorry but everything doesn't revolve around the Koreans, why don't you just move to South Korea instead of QQing on the forums? Also you must not of watched the show matches the production was way better, but haters gonna hate sadly.
SC2 kinda does revolve around Korea. When one country wins just about any tournament they attend you can see the problem with them not attending. I wont watch Bronze leaguers slugging it out for $100 and this is just a less extreme version of that feeling, *shrug*.
you have to admit that watching the nasl group competition just aint interesting, since you cant win anything by winning your group. btw, can koreans still join the open tournament?
I was looking at Axslav's match history to see the result vs Fenix in the IEM qualifier and I noticed he also played some NASL matches (vs Huk/Rain).
Why are the matches being played 2-3 weeks in advance? (Last season they were played 2 days in advance). Also why use the public accounts for the players? Anyone can see if the result was 2-1 or 2-0.
On September 01 2011 18:32 cyclone25 wrote: I was looking at Axslav's match history to see the result vs Fenix in the IEM qualifier and I noticed he also played some NASL matches (vs Huk/Rain).
Why are the matches being played 2-3 weeks in advance? (Last season they were played 2 days in advance). Also why use the public accounts for the players? Anyone can see if the result was 2-1 or 2-0.
On September 01 2011 18:32 cyclone25 wrote: I was looking at Axslav's match history to see the result vs Fenix in the IEM qualifier and I noticed he also played some NASL matches (vs Huk/Rain).
Why are the matches being played 2-3 weeks in advance? (Last season they were played 2 days in advance). Also why use the public accounts for the players? Anyone can see if the result was 2-1 or 2-0.
can't it just be regular c.g ?
It was played on NASL maps with NASL commentators as obs. You can easily check that too.
Wait, do they have lower VOD qualities than 1080p now? What quality are they? If yes, I will buy ticket for S2 too I have S1 ticket but couldn't watch anything because my data capacity is kinda limited and I can't wach live broadcast.
Due to conflicts with school, FXO's MoONaN will be withdrawing from the league. In his stead will be the Italian Terran player, formerly of MYM and now playing under the aTn flag -- ClouD! He was the next player on our list of replacements to be called upon due to his strong performance (coming just two points away from staying in the league in the first season) and eagerly accepted the chance to compete once more in the North American Star League.
We apologize for those who had hoped to see MoONaN play, but we understand his decision. We wish the best of luck to ClouD, and know that he will be representing his country as well as his team with the utmost of his abilities.
ClouD will be placed in Division 2 along with his teammate, DarkForcE. Division 2 also features EG's HuK, Rain from team FnaticMSI, and imba.FXO's BRAT_OK to name a few.
On September 07 2011 18:37 stichtom wrote: ClouD replaces moonan in NASL
Due to conflicts with school, FXO's MoONaN will be withdrawing from the league. In his stead will be the Italian Terran player, formerly of MYM and now playing under the aTn flag -- ClouD! He was the next player on our list of replacements to be called upon due to his strong performance (coming just two points away from staying in the league in the first season) and eagerly accepted the chance to compete once more in the North American Star League.
We apologize for those who had hoped to see MoONaN play, but we understand his decision. We wish the best of luck to ClouD, and know that he will be representing his country as well as his team with the utmost of his abilities.
ClouD will be placed in Division 2 along with his teammate, DarkForcE. Division 2 also features EG's HuK, Rain from team FnaticMSI, and imba.FXO's BRAT_OK to name a few.
idra must be happy his group is pretty easy, this time he will make it out. group 4 is the hardest by far, strelok, sen, select, ret......those 4 all made it out of the group in nasl 1 where there were Koreans too. 4 players that made it out in season 1 all in group4... this tournament isnt balanced... if all the good players take each other out b4 the live event then games will be jobber status at the live event....
On September 07 2011 18:37 stichtom wrote: ClouD replaces moonan in NASL
Due to conflicts with school, FXO's MoONaN will be withdrawing from the league. In his stead will be the Italian Terran player, formerly of MYM and now playing under the aTn flag -- ClouD! He was the next player on our list of replacements to be called upon due to his strong performance (coming just two points away from staying in the league in the first season) and eagerly accepted the chance to compete once more in the North American Star League.
We apologize for those who had hoped to see MoONaN play, but we understand his decision. We wish the best of luck to ClouD, and know that he will be representing his country as well as his team with the utmost of his abilities.
ClouD will be placed in Division 2 along with his teammate, DarkForcE. Division 2 also features EG's HuK, Rain from team FnaticMSI, and imba.FXO's BRAT_OK to name a few.
When did that happen?
I first noticed a week or two ago.
I am stoked cloud is in,now if only the panzer general was also in Nasl then all my favorite players would be in it.
EPT
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Just my annoyance with an unified eSports in regards to terminology.
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