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The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9821
On August 28 2011 11:35 rolfe wrote:
drewbie beating hwangsin huh, is everyone as surprised as i am or have i seriously misjudged their skill level?


You're misjudging. Hwangsin is not bad but he's nothing special either, just another protoss
Twitter : http://twitter.com/CARNDARAK
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9822
On August 28 2011 11:38 Yaki wrote:
btw who did Jinro lost to ?


Tri-master and then Cruncher
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9823
On August 28 2011 11:38 Yaki wrote:
btw who did Jinro lost to ?

Cruncher.....
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9824
On August 28 2011 11:38 Yaki wrote:
btw who did Jinro lost to ?

The Cruncher.
the farm ends here
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9825
On August 28 2011 11:37 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:13 TT1 wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:10 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Femari wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:04 Otori wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 mordk wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:02 Yaki wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:01 Femari wrote:
Puma just lost any respect I had for him.

Stop you can't blame him for using a strong build


You can, MVP has self respect so he refuses to use 1-1-1, there's a real player


self respect refusing to use a specific build? that's just retarded, thats like saying its self respect to not 6pool someone

dont think MVP can pull off 1-1-1 builds as perfectly as puma does.

MVP would more than likely pull it off better than Puma.

I dislike the 1/1/1. It's broken. I don't abuse it when I play. I play straight up. I could use it and do extremely well but what's the point? It's like cheating to get infinite items in a game. It's boring. It's stupid. And it's broken.

Lol you complain too much, Kiwi needed to stall for time and he didnt do that.


Stalling is not the answer, because as you stall, terran gains an eco lead and makes more marines, which makes immortals and phoenixes ineffective


lol wat, how does terran get an eco lead? u have guardian shield + mass zeal immortal, ur immortals tank the 1st few tank shots while ur zealots get close to the marines, ur phoenix is are taking the banshees out and once theres no banshee threat u lift the tanks leaving the marines exposed, the more kiwi stalled the more time he would have had to get more immortals + phoenixs out cus of chrono boost while pumping 4 zeals at a time.. its extremely defendable if u execute everything perfectly


Something tells me, this is exactly what Kiwi thought. You are teammates, may be you know about it?

He thought he could hold it, and 35% winrate for Protoss vs Terran in Korea has no meaning to him. But little did he know, Korean terrans execute 1-1-1 pretty well.

I am not gonna make "but MC and Alicia cannot hold it, how can you?" argument, I just only want to see somebody do this magic hold that you talk about. It has been pathetic so far. Threads full of people saying it can be held off, but what we are watching is very different.


Payam and Kiwi aren't teammates. They do bounce strategies and stuff off each other a lot, to my knowledge.
Minored
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil88 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9826
why rice v muslim isnt bo3 ? this bracket is kinda confusing sorry
go ahead, make my day.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9827
Demuslim owning it up against kawaiirice, taking 3 wins in a row in their extended series!
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9828
On August 28 2011 11:37 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:35 Juanald wrote:
i was so excited when i saw Drewbie is still in the tourney then i saw who he has to play to fight his way back to the finals on the bright side if theres ever a chance to prove urself to the haters now is that time. Drewbie whaiting

Really happy for drewbie too, I felt really bad for him last MLG against WhiteRa getting stomped and not a ton of love (of course compared to whitera though). I think he can easily get to at least Rain with the players he'll be facing.


i hope your right i just always felt TvZ is drewbies weakest matchup and machine has always been top 3 zerg in my opinion.. pVt is incontrols best matchup too i think
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9829
On August 28 2011 11:39 Minored wrote:
why rice v muslim isnt bo3 ? this bracket is kinda confusing sorry

Extended series rule.
the farm ends here
ZaxbyCof
Profile Joined June 2011
81 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9830
On August 28 2011 11:38 Grantiere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:32 Coolhwip wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:31 iamke55 wrote:
Idra's bias is hilarious

before EG: "huk is a retard who wouldn't be a progamer if he didn't play protoss"

after EG: "really good player"


Well, what do you expect? He cant just keep trashtalking a teammate.


Well, he does keep calling all NA protoss trash and Protoss players in general retards on SotG and ItG with Incontrol staring at him in the webcam...


From what I heard.. Idra and Huk have the same personality. Same sense of humor also.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9831
On August 28 2011 11:37 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:21 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:20 Ghostfoot wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:14 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:14 Ghostfoot wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


No, he just doesn't want to lose his fanbase.

He has a moronic fanbase if they DONT want him to use the best builds possible.


How do you make more fans when you use the same debate-ably OP every TvP? I know that hasn't been his best match-up but hell, that's like saying do you want to just all-in your way to the top? If Mvp abused that build, I would honestly stop watching him so much.

You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess.

Yes, because being a fan of the winning players just because they win isn't totally what little kids do. In fact you're right, I think being a fan means to stop being a fan when your favourite players loses. *facepalm*

You're completely missing the point, congrats. If you're already a MVP fan before the 1/1/1 started the balance crying recently you still should be even if he abused it /facepalm.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9832
They show Haypro vs Tyler now?
Sorry but I have to say for me thats the worst match I could imagine.
Off-season = best season
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 28 2011 02:39 GMT
#9833
On August 28 2011 11:38 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:34 holy_war wrote:
Comeon Tyler, you have the ability to beat HayprO!

Didnt Haypro dominate him last MLG? I read Tyler has a new PvZ style, though. Should make for interesting games.

Ooooohhh I love new styles, and Tyler is super smart! I'm excited!

he said he had a new style last MLG, which i believe was his expo into fast templar, given the abundance of zergs using infestors.
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9834
yes demuslim!!!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9835
Incoming Liquid team kill, way too many team kills.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9836
On August 28 2011 11:38 karis wrote:
is it just me but do korean protoss players seem to be cursed? first mc then alicia now trickster.

something is going on here.

haypro to 2-0 tyler just like last tourney.

No way Tyler will win this for sure!
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9837
On August 28 2011 11:37 Daniel C wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:35 Yaotzin wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:34 Daniel C wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:32 Yaotzin wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:29 Icekommander wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:28 sekritzzz wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:25 Worldatlarge wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:23 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:22 Worldatlarge wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:21 Serpico wrote:
[quote]
You'd be a fan of watching someone not trying as hard to win I guess.


Or you'd be a fan of someone confident enough in their macro skills that they know they'll win either way, so they do it in the way that doesn't require a drop in fanbase and in interest.

No, you're being crazy now. You might as well ban all cheese. It isnt going to happen and players that never use it even once in a while are one dimensional and usually subpar.


I'm not saying I don't agree with the cheese, I think you have to utilize the 1/1/1, but saying it makes no sense to lose respect for a player who does it is a bit off. I actually like seeing the 1/1/1 for entertainment purposes, that last game was one of the most entertaining so far, but seeing a macro game shows a full range of the players abilities.

It isn't even cheese. Cheese is defendable when scouted. 1/1/1 isnt.



If your telling me that Kiwikaki played that perfectly, I'd have to call you sadly biased.

Well no, but it doesn't matter if he had, he still would've lost, just by a less convincing margin. If players would ever even lose *closely* it would be a little less demoralizing, but it's always a complete roflstomp.

Shouldn't have to play perfect to hold a 1base allin anyway.


How do you know?

The huge margin between the result and actually holding it. There is no even theoretical (Automaton 2000 type stuff) that could have won it for Kiwi.


That's your prediction only, isn't it?

Are you playing a game? No, I cannot prove that he could not have held it. There are far too many possibilities in Starcraft for such a thing to be possible. I can say that he got roflstomped, and so any proposed solution must be very different from what he did. Doing the same thing but perfectly isn't remotely drastic enough.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9838
On August 28 2011 11:39 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:38 Yaki wrote:
btw who did Jinro lost to ?


Tri-master and then Cruncher

Oh god that's disappointing.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9839
On August 28 2011 11:39 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 11:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:09 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On August 28 2011 11:07 Scisyhp wrote:
If Puma thought the 1-1-1 would win him the game, then don't blame him for using it. Only an idiot would avoid doing something because it was (allegedly) OP. I definitely will not blame someone for trying to win, I'd much rather a player try to win than try to lose.


IMMVP doesn't condone the usage of 1-1-1 all-in because he sees it as OP too. Is he an idiot?


he did it against MC in Code S.

That was bomber. MVP had an expansion


I think he was talking about the game where MVP fe into 1-1-1 with bunkers contain which was pretty sick

No, having tanks and banshees off two bases is not the same thing as 1-1-1. 1-1-1 refers to the 1base allin that puma did. Not the same thing at all.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 28 2011 02:40 GMT
#9840
On August 28 2011 11:39 Redox wrote:
They show Haypro vs Tyler now?
Sorry but I have to say for me thats the worst match I could imagine.

yes they do
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
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