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Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!

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[special edit: Any more derailing over the fact that someone made a Germany vs Poland WW2 joke after page 21 will be met with a week ban.]
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
August 22 2011 07:10 GMT
#5661
I'm so disappointed for MC... I hope he switches to Terran now and wins the GSL.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
August 22 2011 07:23 GMT
#5662
I'm too very disappointed.. at all the "fans" hating on Puma who was clearly the better player. it's time to accept that MC is not as good as he had been. any balance whines just because 1 series are just plain stupid
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 22 2011 07:31 GMT
#5663
Whoa! My internet was gone last few days, so didn't get to catch this. Very surprising results! Puma's pretty good huh (^_^)=b

I'm a huge MC fanboy, so it's too bad for me (i'd really like to see MC win a major tourney again v_v)
but Puma really deserves it.
memes are a dish best served dank
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
August 22 2011 07:53 GMT
#5664
Damn MC
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 22 2011 07:57 GMT
#5665
Are there VOD's out yet? I missed the 3/4th place matches. I can never find anything whatsoever on that ESL site
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
August 22 2011 07:57 GMT
#5666
On August 22 2011 16:23 Tofugrinder wrote:
I'm too very disappointed.. at all the "fans" hating on Puma who was clearly the better player. it's time to accept that MC is not as good as he had been. any balance whines just because 1 series are just plain stupid


Not that good? did you see his games vs SelecT.. insane micro and decision making there.

sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 22 2011 08:13 GMT
#5667
On August 22 2011 16:23 Tofugrinder wrote:
at all the "fans" hating on Puma who was clearly the better player. it's time to accept that MC is not as good as he had been.


that's touching the core problem

Puma is most definitely not the strongest terran in korea (not saying he is mediocre, but cmon now...) and he "appears" to be the way superior player when facing one of the if not the best protoss in the world. Who could challenge that title? Puzzle? Great potential, but not yet. Alicia? Definitely not, he QQs more than anyone. HongUn? Nope, survives with cheesy stuff. Genius? Maybe was in the early days, but no more. Hero? Very skilled but no results yet.

Bottom line is, when we protoss players look for guidance, we look at MC. We don't have anyone else (yet).

Therefore: if you (somewhat rightfully) claim that MC isn't as good as he once was and can't even take one game of one of the better but not very top terrans, then the question arises: if even MC slumps, then how much hope is there left for strong protoss play?

"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 22 2011 08:13 GMT
#5668
On August 22 2011 16:57 Rarak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 16:23 Tofugrinder wrote:
I'm too very disappointed.. at all the "fans" hating on Puma who was clearly the better player. it's time to accept that MC is not as good as he had been. any balance whines just because 1 series are just plain stupid


Not that good? did you see his games vs SelecT.. insane micro and decision making there.


He didn't say not that good. He said that MC is not as good as he had been. Which is true. Dude looked untouchable after beating July in his last GSL Championship. Since then his GSL results haven't been spectacular. Doesn't mean he is bad, just isn't as dominate as he was a few months ago.
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enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
August 22 2011 08:24 GMT
#5669

Please keep the following things out of this topic:

-Caster/Stream/player bashing;
-Imbalance/race whine;
-LoL vs the world arguments;
-'Omfg cant believe people aren't watching SPL finals' comments;
-any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments.

Just thought that this should be reminded.

Seriously, mc just played poorly too if you're being loigical.
He lost a warp prism with 3 templar in at one point, the kingpin to the game. In game 2, he didnt switch techs once. In game 1, he had an obs, why didn;t he check if Puma was attacking again or if he was expanding?

Just because a protoss looses doesn't mean there is imbalance...x.X;
"Stargate units imba" - oGsMC
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 08:34:57
August 22 2011 08:32 GMT
#5670
Ro4 had 3 protoss and 1 terran, I'd say protoss did pretty well in IEM.

EDIT: and first game of Puma vs MC, I think MC could have held it if he responded to the second push like the first, ie by being defensive and not blindly charging in. I think in his mind he had already won (in most of our minds probably) so he got a bit reckless.
here i am
Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
August 22 2011 08:36 GMT
#5671
On August 22 2011 16:10 Rarak wrote:
I'm so disappointed for MC... I hope he switches to Terran now and wins the GSL.


Oh god please...

Stop whining about the 1/1/1
Wrathi
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 09:39:19
August 22 2011 08:45 GMT
#5672
Puma vs MC Grand Finals on Youtube if anyone's interested.

First match:



Second match:



Third match:



I would've uploaded match 2 and 3 earlier but it was already late in Finland so I decided to hit the sack instead. I hope you'll understand
itstheTB
Profile Joined August 2011
61 Posts
August 22 2011 08:59 GMT
#5673
A really good series of matches. I was really curious to see how the worlds best P will deal with the dreaded 1/1/1.
+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm, Game 1 he did 4 immortals, Game 3 he did a couple of phoenix VS the banshees. I like the immortal approach but then, the problem is the marines
KainiT
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria392 Posts
August 22 2011 09:22 GMT
#5674
the only thing that gave at least some succes against 1/1/1 was 4gating him before his tech starts to kick in or 3gate+proxy stargate if he is building a wall in, but still my results against 1/1/1 are rather bad and there are no proreplays that show how it can be beaten cause the terrans win every time when using it. I am not saying that it is unbeatable or something but it is the pros exercise to figure something out and as of yet not even mc has a way to defeat it..., so i guess people should show a little respect for this problem of us protoss players...
With great power comes great responsibility.
charcute
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada419 Posts
August 22 2011 09:26 GMT
#5675
the problem of the 1-1-1 is when you sit there and wait for someone to find a perfect counter... play and play again until you are better than the guy against you.
I like to do it all night long
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 09:49:04
August 22 2011 09:44 GMT
#5676
On August 22 2011 17:45 Wrathi wrote:
Puma vs MC Grand Finals on Youtube if anyone's interested.

First match:..

Second match:..

Third match:..

I would've uploaded match 2 and 3 earlier but it was already late in Finland so I decided to hit the sack instead. I hope you'll understand


Thanks for uploading.

In the first game, MC should've really scouted that his opponent was not opting for a 2nd base and hence shouldn't have pumped so many probes afterwards, rather than preparing for another attack. :-/
BjC
Profile Joined February 2011
England181 Posts
August 22 2011 10:17 GMT
#5677
Worlds best Protoss 2-0'd EGPuma in a showmatch after MC lost. GO White-Ra!! lol
He won by doing a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand.
Special Tactics better than 1/1/1 build!!!
Piou
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium415 Posts
August 22 2011 10:40 GMT
#5678
HD cast in french of the finale

Game 1





Game 2





Game 3



http://www.youtube.com/PiouStarcraft - http://www.facebook.com/pioustarcraft
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 22 2011 11:21 GMT
#5679
^^^ fricken legend thanks man
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msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
August 22 2011 11:31 GMT
#5680
On August 22 2011 14:38 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 13:30 snafoo wrote:
On August 22 2011 13:28 crms wrote:
the very best part of this thread are the MC fans complaining about the power of PuMas 1-1-1 all ins. I guess they forget MC was god of bullshit 4/6 gate all ins during his time at the top. Funny.


no one cares that puma did it, people care that it is so strong and is used almost every game on certain maps and its so shitty to watch.
Now that you say this, I have noticed that the Top Korean Terrans (MVP, Bomber) Actually don't execute the 1-1-1 all in that often, if ever. Bomber is pretty set on bio timing pushes / straight up macro. MVP occasionally does the "2 base hard contains with rine-bunkers, tanks, banshees, raven". MVP v MC in the Code S group stage is a good VOD for people to check out MVP's two base timing. I am guessing/surmising that MVP and bomber both know how effective the 1-1-1 is and are just too honourable to abuse it.

Then again, MMA who is top level, used it against Huk and failed miserably , credit to Huk




actually MVP used that build but once and he expanded behind it. I don't remember seeing him ever doing an all-in

but Bomber definitely uses that, i've seen him doing it at least 2 times.

maybe one reason is that these guys are so good and confident in their code S status that they don't feel the need to do such builds that are considered cheap by many, where as lesser players in the up/downs etc do it all the time. Also not many protoss players are around at the later stages of the gsls so the pvt match up is not so common simply by statistics
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