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SnuggleKittens
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia57 Posts
August 22 2011 00:45 GMT
#5621
MC destroyed by point defense drones in game 1
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
August 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#5622
On August 22 2011 08:38 pezit wrote:
MC just plays on that razors edge, he just barely has enough to hold stuff off and when he makes a single mistake it fails and he dies. This is why he looks like a genius when it works out for him and why people feel as if he was the better player even though he lost, i most definitely think he's a better player than Puma is.


makes for more entertaining games i suppose. i look forward to watching the replays
Grats to Puma, but i am sad a little that MC has come so close to the big finish many times on the international scene
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
August 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#5623
The balance whining going on is ridiculous... listen guys. I didn't even get to PLAY BW, but I went back and read a lot about the game, and read all the TL articles made about players, and read some old BW strat threads as well as current ones. You know what I found? Constant theorycrafting. I read about players constantly changing the metagame, countering what others thought was "broken" or "imba". You guys instantly demand patches in ways that make me think you must lack brains, or even a reasonable thought process.

OMG I LOST TO INFESTORS? LOL THEY'LL GET NERFED AND ZERG WILL SUCK AGAIN.

OMG 1/1/1 TIMING TOO OP MULES OP

OMG 4 GATE OP

OMG DEATHBALL OP

Like, come on. This is getting so fucking sad to read every single damn day. I've been posting on MLG ever since 2009, and lurking it a lot longer, so I was a bit saddened when I noticed the lack of SC2 action on there. But I realized that's because TL was so solidified and professional, there was no need. You guys are deteriorating rapidly, well at least the SC2 section seems to be.

/rant

Grats to Puma, they both made mistakes. MC needed to keep up on upgrades in that second game, and why no guardian shieeldd? He needed more sentries.
I love crazymoving
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
August 22 2011 01:39 GMT
#5624
On August 22 2011 07:10 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 06:56 double620 wrote:
A lot of time when protoss lose to terran, people defend that terran is not op because the protoss player was making this or that mistake in the game. And if we look at the game, I think we can all agree those toss players have room to improve. But the thing is there is no other race can win that many games like terran just by doing all-ins in one base and there is no other race can have down 50 supply and still crush the opponent's army with two emps and one stim easily.
Maybe I do not have enough knowledge to talk about the balance of the game, but I really think playing protoss is harder than playing terran at the highest level and top protoss players deserve more love and credit.

A 150 Protoss death ball is far from impotent vs. a 200 supply zerg army.

I think you mean potent?
hi. big fan.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
August 22 2011 01:40 GMT
#5625
On August 22 2011 09:16 kodas wrote:
3 protosses in the round of 4 and you guys still find some way to complain, the best player won....nothing else to say.

hauahuaha. oh, you're silly.
hi. big fan.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 22 2011 01:41 GMT
#5626
On August 22 2011 10:39 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 07:10 eloist wrote:
On August 22 2011 06:56 double620 wrote:
A lot of time when protoss lose to terran, people defend that terran is not op because the protoss player was making this or that mistake in the game. And if we look at the game, I think we can all agree those toss players have room to improve. But the thing is there is no other race can win that many games like terran just by doing all-ins in one base and there is no other race can have down 50 supply and still crush the opponent's army with two emps and one stim easily.
Maybe I do not have enough knowledge to talk about the balance of the game, but I really think playing protoss is harder than playing terran at the highest level and top protoss players deserve more love and credit.

A 150 Protoss death ball is far from impotent vs. a 200 supply zerg army.

I think you mean potent?


No he meant impotent, a death ball is FAR from impotent....
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
August 22 2011 01:44 GMT
#5627
i have a feeling that PvT for this month is gonna be even lower than 38%
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jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 02:16:02
August 22 2011 02:09 GMT
#5628
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?


Khi
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany188 Posts
August 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#5629
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to some zerg, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything.




I agree with you.
"When you want to be successful as bad as you want to breathe, then you'll be successful!"
rakoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece55 Posts
August 22 2011 02:19 GMT
#5630
The Korean Protosses aren't machines? Just normal humans? This applies only to those who were born in Korea and happen to play Terrans?
Spiders
Profile Joined February 2011
United States86 Posts
August 22 2011 02:20 GMT
#5631
Just finished watching the replays, Puma outplayed mc imo. Especially in game 2, MC got out microd in the big fight after he secured a pretty good mid game advantage, he accidently a-moved his warp prism with 3 hts in it into pumas army.
Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
August 22 2011 02:27 GMT
#5632
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?




Will people stop bringing up the fact that MaNa 2-0'd PuMa? FFS they were completely different sets of games. PuMa 1/1/1 all-in'd MC twice and played 2 macro games against MaNa (I repeat, did not all-in mana). I highly doubt MC would have been 3-0'd in macro games.

Completely different cases so you cannot compare them.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
August 22 2011 02:38 GMT
#5633
On August 22 2011 11:27 Gatored wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?




Will people stop bringing up the fact that MaNa 2-0'd PuMa? FFS they were completely different sets of games. PuMa 1/1/1 all-in'd MC twice and played 2 macro games against MaNa (I repeat, did not all-in mana). I highly doubt MC would have been 3-0'd in macro games.

Completely different cases so you cannot compare them.


If you want to get into this it's so easy to say that, based on that logic, protoss > terran in macro games, and that's why puma decided that 1-1-1 allin is the only way to beat good protosses. What would protoss have to say about that?
good vibes only
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
August 22 2011 02:45 GMT
#5634
On August 22 2011 11:38 Meta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 11:27 Gatored wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?




Will people stop bringing up the fact that MaNa 2-0'd PuMa? FFS they were completely different sets of games. PuMa 1/1/1 all-in'd MC twice and played 2 macro games against MaNa (I repeat, did not all-in mana). I highly doubt MC would have been 3-0'd in macro games.

Completely different cases so you cannot compare them.


If you want to get into this it's so easy to say that, based on that logic, protoss > terran in macro games, and that's why puma decided that 1-1-1 allin is the only way to beat good protosses. What would protoss have to say about that?
You're ignoring the fact that he considers a two time GSL winner to be a superior player to a player who never got into Code A. The point is that people feel like 1-1-1 lets lesser players consistently win.
Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
August 22 2011 02:54 GMT
#5635
Anyone know when VODs will be up, all I can find is the replay's but I would prefer to see it with the casters..
I'm Your Phtes o.0 **SKT1 For Life!**
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 22 2011 02:58 GMT
#5636
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?


To be fair, if you nerfed either Banshees or PDD (make it require research), you really wouldn't hurt Terran tech in any way. That said, I wouldn't support either ideas.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
August 22 2011 02:58 GMT
#5637
On August 22 2011 11:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 11:38 Meta wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:27 Gatored wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?




Will people stop bringing up the fact that MaNa 2-0'd PuMa? FFS they were completely different sets of games. PuMa 1/1/1 all-in'd MC twice and played 2 macro games against MaNa (I repeat, did not all-in mana). I highly doubt MC would have been 3-0'd in macro games.

Completely different cases so you cannot compare them.


If you want to get into this it's so easy to say that, based on that logic, protoss > terran in macro games, and that's why puma decided that 1-1-1 allin is the only way to beat good protosses. What would protoss have to say about that?
You're ignoring the fact that he considers a two time GSL winner to be a superior player to a player who never got into Code A. The point is that people feel like 1-1-1 lets lesser players consistently win.

He beat MC straight up at NASL. PuMa would probably be code A by now but he didn't participate in the last qualifiers
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
August 22 2011 03:00 GMT
#5638
Game 1 is on youtube.... are games 2 and 3 out there?
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Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
August 22 2011 03:01 GMT
#5639
On August 22 2011 12:00 CuSToM wrote:
Game 1 is on youtube.... are games 2 and 3 out there?

Nope been watching the guy who did Game 1 in english but he hasnt done the others..

They are up on youtube though in french
I'm Your Phtes o.0 **SKT1 For Life!**
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
August 22 2011 03:06 GMT
#5640
On August 22 2011 11:58 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 11:45 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:38 Meta wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:27 Gatored wrote:
On August 22 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote:
protoss wont be happy until every final is 4 protoss battling it out in mirror. :D

you know, this build might be strong, but at the same token everyone here universally agrees only a korean terran can pull it off, and what is a korean terran? a machine, not a human, a machine.

The fact of the matter is, puma is a fucking beast, mc hasnt been doing that well lately (3 gsls hes had terrible performance in, he even goes to pick mvp in his group. he lost to alica in one gsl, then to hongun, and now to mvp/polt ) The dude while good, isnt the best and has been in a little slump ( hence why he said hes limiting his foreign tournaments cause he himself said hes lacking practice )

Now on to a more proper question is, How do you expect blizzard to truely do anything on a 1/1/1 build. If you change anything you can seriously mess up the entire terran tech tree.
Can someone answer me why Mana 2-0 puma, yet because mc cant beat him, its "terribly imba", this is not some random terran, this is PUMA, flashes practise partner, the ballest terran of them all, not even MVP can contest puma, u guys just wait and see , hes going to rape everything. Im very sad his win is getting discredited as imbalance. I guess his lack of 111's in nasl final was the reason he won to ?




Will people stop bringing up the fact that MaNa 2-0'd PuMa? FFS they were completely different sets of games. PuMa 1/1/1 all-in'd MC twice and played 2 macro games against MaNa (I repeat, did not all-in mana). I highly doubt MC would have been 3-0'd in macro games.

Completely different cases so you cannot compare them.


If you want to get into this it's so easy to say that, based on that logic, protoss > terran in macro games, and that's why puma decided that 1-1-1 allin is the only way to beat good protosses. What would protoss have to say about that?
You're ignoring the fact that he considers a two time GSL winner to be a superior player to a player who never got into Code A. The point is that people feel like 1-1-1 lets lesser players consistently win.

He beat MC straight up at NASL. PuMa would probably be code A by now but he didn't participate in the last qualifiers


yea and MC got into GSL befor there even was a code S/A when it was much eaiser to get GSL then it is now. inControl made it to the last round and lost 1-2 and he was not insane back then but a soild player. the quifier were super easy then Idra and TLO both said so if u watch the Vids artosis put up of them going to the GSL quifiers. Just becauser your not Code a or s doesnt mean your not better then players in code a/s. DRG was not Code A untill last qualifier.
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