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On August 21 2011 19:45 Buff Terrans wrote:
WTF? If a Pro-Player has a problem with getting boo'ed/negative chants he should quit and work at McDonalds.
The fans can chant what they want! Until the throw eggs/fruits its absolutly fine.
haha, this post is just reinforcing what people were saying about the negative german crowd -.-
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On August 21 2011 19:45 Buff Terrans wrote:
WTF? If a Pro-Player has a problem with getting boo'ed/negative chants he should quit and work at McDonalds.
The fans can chant what they want! Until the throw eggs/fruits its absolutly fine.
If you want a sport where fans can be close to the players booing and negative chants will make this harder.
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On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play.
Professional athletes have a city where they are liked and everywhere else they are hated. They go into different cities expecting to be hated by the fans. They enjoy making their haters unhappy. I doubt a professional gamer flies into IEM cologne expecting to be hated and booed and I doubt he was thinking "I'm gonna make those haters hate me even more LOL" Its not like he has an established fanbase elsewhere to fall back on. I highly doubt he expected to be received that way after his experience with NASL and impressions of MLG chanting for korean players
Also, You continue to give examples of team sports when refuting a point about individual sports. Please, give me an individual sport where its acceptable to boo players solely because of their nationality?
Personally, the only time I can think of when its acceptable to be cheering because of nationality is for events like the olympics and WCG where representing your nation is the entire theme of the event
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just to clear that up cause many ppl saying the guy with the laser pointer should have been banned or punished: they didnt find him. take said we should keep our eyes open left and right if we see him but apparently noone found him 
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On August 21 2011 19:37 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:33 philly5man wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 CutthroatCollapse wrote:On August 21 2011 19:15 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:04 BFCrimson wrote:On August 21 2011 19:01 kusto wrote:On August 21 2011 18:56 BFCrimson wrote:
Definitely rooting for Puma after hearing how he was treated by the crowd yesterday, especially the laser pointer incident =\ Can you summarize what happened? Biased german crowd? On August 21 2011 06:39 chocopaw wrote:
I was there today and enjoyed the good games. What I did not enjoy was the following. I'm not sure if the incident has been mentioned before.
If you watched the stream you probably saw how enthusiastically Socke was greeted by the fans. The crowd got heated up by Take even more.
Don't get me wrong, while I wouldn't call myself a fan I have nothing against Socke, I enjoyed quite a few games of him. But as an anti-nationalist I don't see why I should root for him because of where he was born.
When Puma entered the stage there were quite a few "boo"-shouters. I don't know if they did it because of the EG "scandal", because he is Korean or simply because he was Sockes opponent and they would have done it against anyone else.
When I cheered for Puma after good actions by him, showcasing his superior play, I in fact earned angry reactions. Just because I was for the wrong player. Again, this might have been anti-EG, it might have been anti-Socke's opponent, but the point is, it doesn't really matter.
I don't know if the following was on the stream:
In the commercial break between the second and third match Take entered the stage to announce that there had been attempts of glaring Puma with a laser pointer while the second match was going on. Take said that if they were continued they would send everyone away and let the players end the series backstage to assure the matches could be played under fair conditions. They actually had an IEM guy stand in front of Puma in the third match to prevent further incidents.
Now, while I am a political person, I usually try to not let that interfere with my hobby. If people have to root for a player because of his home country I let them have their fun, as long as they don't hop on the "No Koreans at MLG!"-bandwagon or shit like that. But today a line was crossed for me when I experienced hostility because I rooted for the "wrong" player. The laser pointer act might have been executed by a stupid troll, but it might as well have been a overzealous Socke fan.
My point is: I am disgusted by even the possibility of this being a trend in the esports community. What if that weren't just a few stupid individuals? I hope that every esports fan who witnesses behavious similar to what I described in this post distances him- or herself from it and feels ashamed if people not related to esports see them as representatives of our hobby and scene. Please do everything to keep esports positive, international and open to everybody, and first of all: keep it revolving around the fun! From Day 4 thread That is just really damn stupid. But i have to say, it is what you have to expect from german's, they have their thing with nationalism. Oh my god, what in the efing h are you talking about? The thing with germans having "their thing with nationalism". Are you implying that germans are like genetically inclined to being Nazis? Sorry if I misinterpret you here, but I want to get this clear. Germany has probably become(one of) the most liberal and tolerant countries in the world and before the world cup 2006, id say, german people were even afraid or ashamed to show any kind of patriotism. Ergo, very anti nationalis Yeah, that's a really dumb comment. The implication of Nazism is certainly there, even if you will claim it isn't! He probably was referring to Nazism, but upon reading the comment a few times, I think it could be taken another way. German nationalism is evident especially in their soccer teams. Let's not read into his comment too much if we are unsure of the intent.
Ain't this the truth. My brother and dad were in Germany when they hosted the world cup, they have a number of stories about crazy German fans. They love their teams!
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On August 21 2011 19:50 Radook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:45 Buff Terrans wrote:
WTF? If a Pro-Player has a problem with getting boo'ed/negative chants he should quit and work at McDonalds.
The fans can chant what they want! Until the throw eggs/fruits its absolutly fine. If you want a sport where fans can be close to the players booing and negative chants will make this harder.
why would it matter at all what they chant? If you dont like a player then say so. If he cant handle it that's his problem.
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On August 21 2011 19:50 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:45 Buff Terrans wrote:
WTF? If a Pro-Player has a problem with getting boo'ed/negative chants he should quit and work at McDonalds.
The fans can chant what they want! Until the throw eggs/fruits its absolutly fine. haha, this post is just reinforcing what people were saying about the negative german crowd -.-
NO it ISN'T because it is just ONE GUY. How can you guys be so ignorant?
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On August 21 2011 19:52 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play. Professional athletes have a city where they are liked and everywhere else they are hated. They go into different cities expecting to be hated by the fans. They enjoy making their haters unhappy. I doubt a professional gamer flies into IEM cologne expecting to be hated and booed and I doubt he was thinking "I'm gonna make those haters hate me even more LOL" while still having an entire established fan base elsewhere to fall back on. Also, You continue to give examples of team sports when refuting a point about individual sports. Please, give me an individual sport where its acceptable to boo players solely because of their nationality?
I can tell you didn't truly read what I wrote.
And, you are changing your argument (making it more asinine in the process), to booing is okay but it's not okay over nationality.
To further the ridiculousness of your argument, the fans at IEM weren't booing Puma for being Korean. They were booing him for being the favored opponent against their national German favorite. His nationality made no difference... he just wasn't Socke. End of story.
Your argument is just way off point. I don't think it's worth continuing to discuss.
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I hope esports will never been like soccer.... soccer is a wonderfull sport ruined because all the idiots out there become "ultra fan" of a soccer team.
Fuck the haters.
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On August 21 2011 19:46 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:45 Buff Terrans wrote:
WTF? If a Pro-Player has a problem with getting boo'ed/negative chants he should quit and work at McDonalds.
The fans can chant what they want! Until the throw eggs/fruits its absolutly fine. Well the thing with the laser pointer is basically worse than throwing eggs.
Didn't saw that. But security should easily be able to find the guy and bann 'em.
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On August 21 2011 19:37 Corrik wrote:
He probably was referring to Nazism, but upon reading the comment a few times, I think it could be taken another way. German nationalism is evident especially in their soccer teams.
This is simply not true. Either you don't watch soccer at all or you're just trolling here.
Please don't post such bullshit or give examples.
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On August 21 2011 19:55 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:52 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play. Professional athletes have a city where they are liked and everywhere else they are hated. They go into different cities expecting to be hated by the fans. They enjoy making their haters unhappy. I doubt a professional gamer flies into IEM cologne expecting to be hated and booed and I doubt he was thinking "I'm gonna make those haters hate me even more LOL" while still having an entire established fan base elsewhere to fall back on. Also, You continue to give examples of team sports when refuting a point about individual sports. Please, give me an individual sport where its acceptable to boo players solely because of their nationality? To further the ridiculousness of your argument, the fans at IEM weren't booing Puma for being Korean. They were booing him for being the favored opponent against their national German favorite. His nationality made no difference... he just wasn't Socke. End of story.
finally someone who understands it
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On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play.
Sorry but I don't buy that logic. What individual sports are you talking about?
Also booing a shy 20 something kid from another country that can't defend himself in the same language just feels wrong to me. If you think thats ok you are an asshole imo.
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On August 21 2011 19:57 Radook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play. Sorry but I don't buy that logic. What individual sports are you talking about? Also booing a shy 20 something kid from another country that can't defend himself in the same language just feels wrong to me. If you think thats ok you are an asshole imo.
I didn't say I personally would boo someone. I just said there is nothing wrong with someone for doing so. It's their right.
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Worst game and commentary ever iem main stage? lol
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On August 21 2011 19:58 Steamroller wrote:
Worst game and commentary ever iem main stage? lol
I agree. I was hoping to see League of Legends. = (
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On August 21 2011 19:56 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:55 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:52 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:43 billyX333 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:31 Corrik wrote:On August 21 2011 19:29 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 19:18 Finrod1 wrote:On August 21 2011 19:14 billyX333 wrote:
The crowd killed it for me. I don't understand why IEM/MLG don't adopt an anti-booing policy and a warning then ban for repeat offenders. Most of these gamers are young 20 year olds and no body wants to feel hated by an entire crowd of people. Its hard enough to talk and get in front of a huge crowd so I can't even imagine what its like performing in front of a crowd that wants you to fail.
I'm a fan of mr. bitter's casting but he should seriously try to get the crowd to cheer for the unfavored players. Again, they are 20 year olds who play this game because its their passion and mr. bitter essentially lead the crowd on so they could feel proud of their bias and obnoxiously boo or ignore the winner.
Well the anti-stuff in general is no problem for me as long it isn't something like laser pointers. The line get's crossed clearly if they are just booing someone out because he is from country x. As a football example: If my local team play's somewhere else there are 40k people chanting and booing against my hometeam. That is a part of sports but you should do it because you don't like a player and not his nationality. Team sports and individual sports are different though. Team sports, such as soccer, basketball, football, booing is expected for guest team. But for individual sports, usually there is not much booing at all, it will just get too personal. And also, these kids are only 20 years old, and they are not making millions like Kobe. I don't buy that reasoning. If you want to be center stage, you take the jeers with the cheers. Just as long as they don't cross the line. elaborate on why you don't buy that reasoning? Booing in individual sports is rare. Booing a golfer is generally unheard of unless he is getting media coverage for bad behavior Picking and choosing examples. So Duke fans ;chanting overrated while Harrison Barnes shoots free throws isn't personal because he is on a team? Or there is reasoning behind it? Because a kid "not making millions" who is "twenty something" played for a rival school?
There is nothing wrong with it. It's normal. you are still obviously missing the point No... I got your point. But, it's not correct. There is booing in every single college sport in America whether individual or not individual sports. These are all young adults who do not make money. Your point just is not correct. There is nothing wrong with booing. In fact, why don't you read articles about players saying they love being booed because then they know they are getting to the other team's fans or such. Booing isn't bad. It's taking it beyond booing, threats and acts of foul play. Professional athletes have a city where they are liked and everywhere else they are hated. They go into different cities expecting to be hated by the fans. They enjoy making their haters unhappy. I doubt a professional gamer flies into IEM cologne expecting to be hated and booed and I doubt he was thinking "I'm gonna make those haters hate me even more LOL" while still having an entire established fan base elsewhere to fall back on. Also, You continue to give examples of team sports when refuting a point about individual sports. Please, give me an individual sport where its acceptable to boo players solely because of their nationality? To further the ridiculousness of your argument, the fans at IEM weren't booing Puma for being Korean. They were booing him for being the favored opponent against their national German favorite. His nationality made no difference... he just wasn't Socke. End of story. finally someone who understands it
Its still a bad thing.
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On August 21 2011 19:58 Steamroller wrote:
Worst game and commentary ever iem main stage? lol
watching DotA 2 for the time being 
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On August 21 2011 20:00 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 19:58 Steamroller wrote:
Worst game and commentary ever iem main stage? lol watching DotA 2 for the time being
Is that on the side stream? Or you got a link?
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