[IEM] Gamescom - Day 3 - Page 128

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Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!

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bobwhiz

United States725 Posts

August 19 2011 17:14 GMT

#2541

Looking forward to the Mana Puma rematch.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

August 19 2011 17:14 GMT

#2542

On August 20 2011 02:13 noddy wrote:
Does MrBitter remind anyone else of Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory? The way he moves his head and stuff. Not hating, I love both of them but it makes me smile everytime.

Southern mannerisms I think. Jim Parsons is a texan I believe.

bode927

United States164 Posts

August 19 2011 17:14 GMT

#2543

Doesn't matter who wins this match. MC will win the next one.

butchji

Germany1531 Posts

August 19 2011 17:15 GMT

#2544

So now all of a sudden Stephano is considered the best EU zerg? What happened to ret, Nerchio & MorroW ?

Ludwigvan

Germany2371 Posts

August 19 2011 17:15 GMT

#2545

On August 20 2011 02:14 s3183529 wrote:
Man, if Mana keeps playing like this, he could take out MC. I don't want MC to lose

He could do that. (^_^) MaNas PvP is really good. It is like he doesn`t have a worst matchup.

tuho12345

4482 Posts

August 19 2011 17:15 GMT

#2546

Is the final will be playing today or tomorrow guys?

insaneMicro

Germany761 Posts

August 19 2011 17:15 GMT

#2547

not sure if Mr Bitter is serious calling Stephano best EU Zerg...he's certainly better than he gets credit for, but he's no Ret or DIMAGA imo.

Grettin

42414 Posts

August 19 2011 17:15 GMT

#2548

On August 20 2011 02:14 Telcontar wrote:

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Southern mannerisms I think. Jim Parsons is a texan I believe.

Correct and yes, MrBitter reminds me of Sheldon a little. :D

merlin101

Switzerland194 Posts

August 19 2011 17:16 GMT

#2549

I like Bitters commentary... his switch from "Can I become a Pro?" to "I try to become the best Caster" seems to be going really well...

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

August 19 2011 17:16 GMT

#2550

Thank god MaNa plays a Korean protoss next, even though it's MC.
No late game there, so his small errors in macro shouldn't come to bite him in that set.

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

August 19 2011 17:16 GMT

#2551

On August 20 2011 02:15 butchji wrote:
So now all of a sudden Stephano is considered the best EU zerg? What happened to ret, Nerchio & MorroW ?

Dimaga also would like a word

Gantzie

Australia245 Posts

August 19 2011 17:16 GMT

#2552

if moonglade relies on mass roaches again, i give up all hopes.

Duoma

United States396 Posts

August 19 2011 17:16 GMT

#2553

That was really moonglade's game to lose. Good macro/map control, but he teched so slow and was 2/1 ranged against a 3/3 protoss. Earlier broods/upgrades and less silly attacks and that game would have been in the bag. Relatively well-played by Mana though.

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

August 19 2011 17:17 GMT

#2554

rofl mindgamed himself there

Wawarox

161 Posts

August 19 2011 17:17 GMT

#2555

On August 20 2011 02:11 s3rp wrote:

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On August 20 2011 02:08 mordk wrote:

On August 20 2011 02:05 Wawarox wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:56 mordk wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:51 s3rp wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:48 Welmu wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:30 bennyaus wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:29 Zane wrote:
[quote]
MC said he saw Hero do this.

HuK's been doing it on his stream for a couple of months as well...

Pros have been doing it for years in BW also

I find it funny that BW Terrans imported many of their BW strategies (drops all over, harrass, siege tank pushes) almost immediately to SC2 and tried to make them work. Protoss seem to just be rediscovering what they did for years in BW. Sure, they tried it every now and then, but it seemed they gave up pretty quickly and are now just trying them again.

That warp prism play is very situational. One viking will shut warp prism completely since they are so weak

The Warpprism has 140 HP ( combined ) thats just 10 less then a Medivac. Its not like 1 Viking will instantly kill it.

There's one gigantic difference between terran dropping and protoss dropping. Terran dropping is instant damage, what I mean is that once units are dropped, the damage is done, and it doesn't really matter too much if the medivac is lost. In comparison, when using WP as protoss, you NEED the WP to survive, either to warp in more units, or to give mobility and enough survivability to HTs (or any other unit) to actually cause damage.

This is essential, because in order to shut down medivacs, you need a viking squad, or a stalker ball, or a muta flock, so you can kill it BEFORE it drops. Against WP, you need only one or 2 units, because if you can threaten the WP to die, the strat is mostly shut down. The one exception is the type of battle which happened in this SeleCT vs MC game, since once the HTs are dropped and the templars are spent, the WP might as well die, it doesn't matter that much.

No.
Only difference is that wp can't be used for something else than drap/warp, so you have to get them only for that. The damage done by wp and drops are the same

Absolutely not, the quick damage by terran drops in not comparable to WP drops, have you seen how long it takes 8 marines to destroy a zerg base? How about 8 marauders taking down a nexus. If 2 medivacs manage to drop a base, the damage is done, it's hard and it's almost instantaneous. A 4 zealot drop in comparison, takes long even to kill some SCVs, they're completely different.

BUT that has nothing to do with the Medivac/WP but the Units that are dropped. Drop 4 DT and they'll do insane damage as well . Protoss doesn't have the greatest units to harass besides DT's yes but this has nothing to do with WP/Medivac themselves.

vs planetary
8 marines + stim => 35 sec
4 zealots => 45 sec
so in a way you are right about the initial damage, but yeah, if you can warp in, zealots => 22 sec, so more risqy but more effective if you manage to do it

SayHello

Czech Republic147 Posts

August 19 2011 17:17 GMT

#2556

On August 20 2011 02:15 tuho12345 wrote:
Is the final will be playing today or tomorrow guys?

Sunday -.-

mordk

Chile8385 Posts

August 19 2011 17:17 GMT

#2557

On August 20 2011 02:11 s3rp wrote:

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On August 20 2011 02:08 mordk wrote:

On August 20 2011 02:05 Wawarox wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:56 mordk wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:51 s3rp wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:48 Welmu wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:30 bennyaus wrote:

On August 20 2011 01:29 Zane wrote:
[quote]
MC said he saw Hero do this.

HuK's been doing it on his stream for a couple of months as well...

Pros have been doing it for years in BW also

That warp prism play is very situational. One viking will shut warp prism completely since they are so weak

The Warpprism has 140 HP ( combined ) thats just 10 less then a Medivac. Its not like 1 Viking will instantly kill it.

No.
Only difference is that wp can't be used for something else than drap/warp, so you have to get them only for that. The damage done by wp and drops are the same

It has, because my point was that in order to make WP effective you need to keep them alive and close to battles at the same time, and since terran has these very effective units, you don't need to keep those medivacs alive to make them effective. Once the units are dropped the damage is done.

WP, in order to be useful, need to be alive, which is why 1 or 2 vikings shut down almost any WP play while 1-2 vikings can't shut down medivacs. Basically, the usefulness of a transport is determined by the units they can carry (this much seems obvious), and since WPs carry units to protect them (HTs) or carry units with less DPS (nearly anything else) they need to stay alive, unlike medivacs.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

August 19 2011 17:17 GMT

#2558

On August 20 2011 02:16 sleepingdog wrote:

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Dimaga also would like a word

As would Ret.