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On August 06 2011 04:38 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:36 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?) I was talking about the ELO rank from TL. The system give points to players when they win a tournament. Just check here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1996_Stephano I think the TLPD ELO is calculated purely on wins/loss, not tournament results.
i think not, otherwise Note:
Leagues whose names are in italic (special/offline events) do not count towards ELO calculations. wouldn appear
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On August 06 2011 04:36 Orzabal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?) I was talking about the ELO rank from TL. The system give points to players when they win a tournament. Just check here -------------------------->
No, ELO systems give points when you win a match, no matter what round of the tournament it's part of or anything. In theory, if all players play the same tournaments, it allows you to track relative skill to some extent.
However, with all these pro's attending different tournaments, playing different weekly cups and all of that, the comparison becomes less meaningful.
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On August 06 2011 04:37 figq wrote:
funny that this event gives about 3x the award from mlg, has nada and sen, and yet gets probably about ten times fewer viewers
Yeah, mlg prizepool is really really bad, i dont get it
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On August 06 2011 04:40 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:38 Jyvblamo wrote:On August 06 2011 04:36 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?) I was talking about the ELO rank from TL. The system give points to players when they win a tournament. Just check here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1996_Stephano I think the TLPD ELO is calculated purely on wins/loss, not tournament results. i think not, otherwise Note:
Leagues whose names are in italic (special/offline events) do not count towards ELO calculations. wouldn appear
I take that to mean the games played in those tournaments aren't considered when calculating ELO.
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On August 06 2011 04:27 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:13 Kevan wrote:Yeah but still kinda weird that when I have no timezone selected in my profile the OP says 22:00 EET which would be 21:00 CEST. No, EET and CEST are both UTC+2. Right now you would be in EE ST (summer time), which is UTC+3.
Ok I get it now thx  I googled it earlier and the result that I found was wrong but now I've double checked.
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On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?)
Elo doesn't factor in where the games are played. However winning tournaments is correlated with a high Elo because to win in a tournament you have to beat players with high Elos toward the end of the tournament. And oGsThestc has been placing well in online tournaments (like top 2s and wins in various FXOopens and Asia Championships) that most people on teamliquid aren't aware of and that is why he has good Elo scores in foreign and Korean databases.
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On August 06 2011 04:37 figq wrote:
funny that this event gives about 3x the award from mlg, has nada and sen, and yet gets probably about ten times fewer viewers
It has a roughly 50% higher price pool, 14000 dollars for MLG vs 15000 euro for Assembly.
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On August 06 2011 04:37 figq wrote:
funny that this event gives about 3x the award from mlg, has nada and sen, and yet gets probably about ten times fewer viewers
americans so much better at hyping their tournements Q_Q
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On August 06 2011 04:43 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:37 figq wrote:
funny that this event gives about 3x the award from mlg, has nada and sen, and yet gets probably about ten times fewer viewers americans so much better at hyping their tournements Q_Q
+ this was at a bad time for americans (night) and during work/school time for europe tho maybe vacation for some
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On August 06 2011 04:41 Zaxro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?) Elo doesn't factor in where the games are played. However winning tournaments is correlated with a high Elo because to win in a tournament you have to beat players with high Elos toward the end of the tournament. And oGsThestc has been placing well in online tournaments (like top 2s and wins in various FXOopens and Asia Championships) that most people on teamliquid aren't aware of and that is why he has good Elo scores in foreign and Korean databases.
I dont think i said it factors in where the games are played. I dont even see how the location (or tournament) where the games are played would factor into their skill whatsoever (unless it was super complex and compensated for jetlag LOL, jk)
unless you were responding to the person i quoted for that part.
Yea i know he has placed well in quite a few smaller tournaments my point was that you dont need to be winning alot of tournaments (placing first) to get a good ELO rating.
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On August 06 2011 04:44 Nerdslayer wrote:
Who knocked out Huk?
Jimpo and Mana, he won a series vs Darkforce.
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On August 06 2011 04:40 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:40 bgx wrote:On August 06 2011 04:38 Jyvblamo wrote:On August 06 2011 04:36 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On August 06 2011 04:29 Orzabal wrote:On August 06 2011 04:05 wats0n wrote:On August 06 2011 04:01 Schmexi wrote:On August 06 2011 03:53 wats0n wrote:
Stephano is obviously a good player by why do people get so irrational when describing Idra?
The guy qualified for 3 open seasons of GSL and got top 8 in Code S. Just 2 months ago he won an MLG group with Thorzain, MC, Ret, and Select.
In the past three months, MLGx2, Dreamhack, and Homestory Cup Idra has won his group or placed 2nd and made it to the championship rounds of all those tournaments.
Obviously he isn't winning lately but he has admitted he isn't practicing at the moment. Why do people want to act like he's bad? And for the record, he beat Sen 2-0 in that lan tournament before the finals where Sen beat him. Noone has said that he is bad, just that he is playing worse than he normally does which puts Stephano above him currently. Actually several people have said Idra is bad. And my point is that Stephano is not playing better than Idra. He isn't winning tournaments but neither is Stephano so you can't put Stephano above him.Getting 1st or 2nd of every group and making the championship rounds of every single MAJOR tournament the past three months is pretty good. When someone is first in ELO rank, you can assume that he is winning tournaments. ELO doesnt really have anything to do with winning tournaments, its about your skill in relation to other players skill (as i understand it) OGStheSTC hasnt ever really won a tournament (as far as i know) in the past while and he was sitting near the top of the ELO for quite a while. I think the factor is the players you beat and their skill level. (anyone want to chime in and either call me an idiot or tell me im right?) I was talking about the ELO rank from TL. The system give points to players when they win a tournament. Just check here http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1996_Stephano I think the TLPD ELO is calculated purely on wins/loss, not tournament results. i think not, otherwise Note:
Leagues whose names are in italic (special/offline events) do not count towards ELO calculations. wouldn appear I take that to mean the games played in those tournaments aren't considered when calculating ELO.
well ye i misunderstood you
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On August 06 2011 04:44 Nerdslayer wrote:
Who knocked out Huk?
Huk didn't make it out of his group.
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On August 06 2011 04:45 Lobo2me wrote:Jimpo and Mana, he won a series vs Darkforce.
Yea I saw very hard group. Also Ai.Seiplo has introduced himsefl to the scene it seems
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It's not about the money. Nada and Moon are millionaires. These people go to MLG for the competition.
But MLG does need to raise their prize pool (it's already locked in for now).
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The last MLG tournament of the season has $50,000 for first. The regular season prize money will be bumped up next season I assume.
Are the finals this evening?
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On August 06 2011 04:43 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2011 04:37 figq wrote:
funny that this event gives about 3x the award from mlg, has nada and sen, and yet gets probably about ten times fewer viewers americans so much better at hyping their tournements Q_Q
But the LR is sooo peaceful  beside a friendly argument regarding timezones, a few sites about Idra vs EU Zerg (no thread without Idra) and one hardcore Brat_ok fan who thought he is a disgrace for Russia with his 4th place I can´t remember anything negative.
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On August 06 2011 04:51 Jknighty wrote:
The last MLG tournament of the season has $50,000 for first. The regular season prize money will be bumped up next season I assume.
Are the finals this evening?
in 9 mins actually. hope this makes you happy ^^
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On August 06 2011 04:51 Jknighty wrote:
The last MLG tournament of the season has $50,000 for first. The regular season prize money will be bumped up next season I assume.
Are the finals this evening?
10 minutes til finals.
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