EPT[IPL Team Arena] EG vs. ReIGN - Page 43
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koolaid1990
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:57 Liudo wrote: Well who knows what kind of training regime they will really use. But I agree it will be very interesting to see if this has an effect on their results going forward. I suppose Raleigh MLG and NASL season 2 will be some opportunities to follow that. All of us? 8 hours a day of pure practice+discussion and whatever else. They've actually said their plans repeatedly. | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:58 ChrysaliS_ wrote: I'd say Kiwikaki still holds the throne as top American Protoss. And please, iNcontroL should not belong in the debate at all... yeah he placed 4th at MLG, but as everyone as pointed out he got extremely lucky (beat Mihai, Slush, and TLO twice thanks to extended series), but besides that he has literally ZERO results and a 39% winrate... And we will still be treated to iNcontrol being seeded into pool play at the next MLG... | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:58 ChrysaliS_ wrote: I'd say Kiwikaki still holds the throne as top American Protoss. And please, iNcontroL should not belong in the debate at all... yeah he placed 4th at MLG, but as everyone as pointed out he got extremely lucky (beat Mihai, Slush, and TLO twice thanks to extended series), but besides that he has literally ZERO results and a 39% winrate... Kiwi isn't American though.  Actually if we're nitpicky about it, there's only one reasonable choice for top American Protoss. He's in Code S and all that. | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:59 walklightwhat wrote: All of us? 8 hours a day of pure practice+discussion and whatever else. They've actually said their plans repeatedly. Intentions =/ plans =/ practice. Many people plan to do things. No one can know what they will do and how it will work out. The only useful barometer will be results. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:59 walklightwhat wrote: All of us? 8 hours a day of pure practice+discussion and whatever else. They've actually said their plans repeatedly. 8 hours of no bs no stream just pure focused practice? i hope so,, they can stream and have fun outside of those 8 hours,, if they do this,, they can get better, | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:00 Talin wrote: Kiwi isn't American though. Actually if we're nitpicky about it, there's only one reasonable choice for top American Protoss. He's in Code S and all that. Well, if you want to be really nitpicky, he probably counts as a Canadian  | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + although if we're really nitpicky, he's probably just Korean anyway | ||
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:00 Talin wrote: Kiwi isn't American though. Actually if we're nitpicky about it, there's only one reasonable choice for top American Protoss. He's in Code S and all that. Huk is also Canadian As for the EG issue, yeah they certainly do need to cut some players. I have nothing against their weaker players, and they are good players, but they're nowhere near pro caliber and have very few results to justify eating up money and space on the EG roster...that being said, doesn't look like it's gonna happen, as it would make no sense to cut players after inviting them to a teamhouse... | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:06 ChrysaliS_ wrote: Huk is also Canadian As for the EG issue, yeah they certainly do need to cut some players. I have nothing against their weaker players, and they are good players, but they're nowhere near pro caliber and have very few results to justify eating up money and space on the EG roster...that being said, doesn't look like it's gonna happen, as it would make no sense to cut players after inviting them to a teamhouse... might be fair to give them a few months in a more professional atmosphere before kicking them,, dunno.. | ||
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Heavenly
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Mordiford
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On August 03 2011 12:06 ChrysaliS_ wrote: Huk is also Canadian As for the EG issue, yeah they certainly do need to cut some players. I have nothing against their weaker players, and they are good players, but they're nowhere near pro caliber and have very few results to justify eating up money and space on the EG roster...that being said, doesn't look like it's gonna happen, as it would make no sense to cut players after inviting them to a teamhouse... Huk is American-Canadian, he counts. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
it all depends on how much work they're gonna put in, I wouldn't cut anyone just yet | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:47 wats0n wrote: I think some of the foreigners bring it on themselves with their laziness. Doctors, lawyers, average joes, everyone in the world works hard usually over 8 hours a day. In undeveloped countries its around 14 hours a day and tougher work. Then you have guys like Idra who say they only practice 3 hours a day. Incontrol admitting he plays less than 4 hours a day and bad practice. How are people supposed to take it? Guys like Kas and Sase are beloved and they both bombed out of Dreamhack but the community recognizes that they work hard and are professional. tl;dr People that call themselves competitors and see the Koreans working 12 hours a day and they don't want to put in more than 3 hours are going to get criticized. I mean seriously, I don't think that people actually think the Koreans are genetically superior. It's all practice. Even Daigo lost at Evo in Marvel because he only just started playing it. Part of the problem in my opinion is that in the west, the kind of person who plays a computer game so much that he gets close to a professional level at it (which is where he then takes the jump to be a professional) is probably not the most productive member of society and most likely doesn't have the best worth ethic, if he did chance are he wouldn't be playing computer games all day he'd be in college, school or working a job. So when it comes to the point where they have to treat that playing of a game like a job by training all day even when they don't feel like it just like you would a normal job they lack the work ethic to have one. There are exceptions like Naniwa who fucked his real life up fairly hard at a young age but does have the required work ethic when it comes to computer games, but for a lot of western pro gamers the above applies. Where as in Korea their culture is by nature hard working and even then being a pro gamer is much more of a legitimate career choice so the range of personalities playing RTS games all day in Korea is pretty different from in the west. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Coolwhip
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:11 ReignFayth wrote: They never had a real practice regime, with the new house their "bad" players might improve a bunch and show good results which is most likely their goal lol it all depends on how much work they're gonna put in, I wouldn't cut anyone just yet I don't know why they would cut anyone, one of their problems and this holds for all foreign teams is they don't have enough players. Most Korean teams have at least 12 players, sometimes closer to 20. This allows for a lot more varied practice and a lot more heads thinking at once. Five Zergs discussing strategy is undoubtedly better than two. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:18 lunchforthesky wrote: I don't know why they would cut anyone, one of their problems and this holds for all foreign teams is they don't have enough players. Most Korean teams have at least 12 players, sometimes closer to 20. This allows for a lot more varied practice and a lot more heads thinking at once. Five Zergs discussing strategy is undoubtedly better than two. I imagine most foreign players would expect a salary to live full time in a team house, so getting more people is easier said than done, especially if you intend to drag someone across the oceans to live in LA. Most Korean players don't expect a salary, and they don't get one. Especially the lower tier players and B teamers. They're happy just to make it into a team. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:17 lunchforthesky wrote: Part of the problem in my opinion is that in the west, the kind of person who plays a computer game so much that he gets close to a professional level at it (which is where he then takes the jump to be a professional) is probably not the most productive member of society and most likely doesn't have the best worth ethic, if he did chance are he wouldn't be playing computer games all day he'd be in college, school or working a job. So when it comes to the point where they have to treat that playing of a game like a job by training all day even when they don't feel like it just like you would a normal job they lack the work ethic to have one. There are exceptions like Naniwa who fucked his real life up fairly hard at a young age but does have the required work ethic when it comes to computer games, but for a lot of western pro gamers the above applies. Where as in Korea their culture is by nature hard working and even then being a pro gamer is much more of a legitimate career choice so the range of personalities playing RTS games all day in Korea is pretty different from in the west. when koreans become progamers they do it because they truly want to be the best.. many westerners probably just want to not have to work and get up early like normal people,, i think they get caught up in the comfy part of being a progamer and forget that they need to work REALLY hard to compete with the best.. | ||
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