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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:18 Coolwhip wrote: Idra lost to a not high ranked American. How do you explain that fanboys! As Nestea, the king of zerg, has said before, "zerg can always lose". I lose to fuckin diamonds and im high master in zvz because i hate that matchup.. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:23 Sebzou wrote: when koreans become progamers they do it because they truly want to be the best.. many westerners probably just want to not have to work and get up early like normal people,, i think they get caught up in the comfy part of being a progamer and forget that they need to work REALLY hard to compete with the best.. This is also true. I'm pretty sure that if you interview 20 top foreign players (other than the ones in Korea and the ones intending to go there) about their chances to win a GSL or any major tournament (since Koreans now show up to all of them), and they answer honestly, they would probably not put much faith into their chances. But then you have guys like oGsHerO (and many many more) who made it into Code A ONCE, and now once again didn't make it, and he's basically got an entire horde of top quality players standing in his way to earning pretty much any money at all from playing Starcraft, but he's still going at it and training relentlessly. Or even HuK, who was saying that his goal is to win GSL and that he believes he can do it even while he was playing horribly and getting beaten by a lot of foreign players too. I think that coming into Starcraft without an ambition and drive to be the best player is just not going to work out. It might be different for other esports, especially team based ones, but Starcraft 2 is no less brutal than BW and we'll see that kind of scene develop pretty soon (or at least I hope). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46543 Posts
But I'm happy KiWiKaKi kicked ass, and I'm surprised Spades did so well! | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:38 ReignFayth wrote: I think part of why I quit is the ridiculous expectations from players who are terrible at the game saying axslav is mediocre and strifecro is just not good and lz is trash i mean jesus christ give them a break from that point of view we could just say every foreigner right now is absolute trash at this game and they shouldn't bother playing this game since koreans are winning everything Nah I don't really want to give them a break. Either you perform or you get cut, that's how it works in the game I play at a high competitive level.... | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
 Never vote against Kiwikaki! Also gj to Spades (as well as the entire Reign team of course). Sucks that Slush didn't get to play. | ||
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Slush, Kiwi, and Spades all fairly good (in my mind) in Reign. For EG? IdrA. Puma if he'd play, dunno the story on that. As long as EG relies 100% on IdrA to carry it, it will never do well in team leagues. | ||
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grumpyone
48 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:58 ChrysaliS_ wrote: I'd say Kiwikaki still holds the throne as top American Protoss. And please, iNcontroL should not belong in the debate at all... yeah he placed 4th at MLG, but as everyone as pointed out he got extremely lucky (beat Mihai, Slush, and TLO twice thanks to extended series), but besides that he has literally ZERO results and a 39% winrate... To settle the top Protoss in North America, it's really about who's the best Protoss in Canada, which is between Huk, Kiwikaki and TT1. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:59 grumpyone wrote: To settle the top Protoss in North America, it's really about who's the best Protoss in Canada, which is between Huk, Kiwikaki and TT1. I loled. It is quite clearly HuK, and second place is quite clearly Kiwikaki. After that it is irrelevant because the rest of the Canadian toss are not competitive. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:30 forgottendreams wrote: Nah I don't really want to give them a break. Either you perform or you get cut, that's how it works in the game I play at a high competitive level.... Honest question Fayth, do you feel the EG roster outside of IdrA has played at a standard that would be synonymous with EG before SC2's release? EG has always been a premiere eSports team in all of their other games. We've had the gave for over a year (and competitive even in beta) and nobody on their roster has posted any meaningful results or even great strides in improvement since the game came out. I don't think it's out of bounds to say the EG roster has been a tremendous disappointment when it comes to professional gaming. Where EG has really shined is content production, incontrol\idra on podcasts, commercials etc., building tremendous name recognition through community efforts. From strictly a sc2 pro gaming performance spectrum they aren't even a blip on the radar. I don't think any of this is unfair to say and it's a huge letdown as a long time EG CS fan. EG along with SK Gaming (after 4K died) were my favorite gaming teams and I followed them since ~2001 when I was a competitive TFC player (CPL angel munoz whatsupppppppp). I just can't wrap my head around how such a prestigious team could have no results outside of their one ACE player in over a year. It doesn't compute with my brain when I think back to my notions of EG as a pro gaming team. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:59 grumpyone wrote: To settle the top Protoss in North America, it's really about who's the best Protoss in Canada, which is between Huk, Kiwikaki and TT1. No, it's HuK, then Kiwikaki, then maybe a few other people, TT1 has been pretty off the radar for months. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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JimmyHollow
United Kingdom249 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
ReIGN wins 5-3 WOW, I was expecting PuMa to be in play but no, quite shocking. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On August 03 2011 12:59 grumpyone wrote: To settle the top Protoss in North America, it's really about who's the best Protoss in Canada, which is between Huk, Kiwikaki and TT1. You just had to say it... IB4 country debate. Huk is a clear #1. I would venture to say there are a bunch of other top NA protoss players most people have not said much about, like ONEwbc (who did really well at MLG), and Gatored, Cruncher, etc. They could contest players like TT1 and Kiwi IMO. I would still say I'm surprised EG lost, but seeing how PuMa did not play not so much. I still had most of their players better than Reign's, minus Kiw, which is why I was expecting a relative blowout. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
no srsly i wouldn't have expected that at all since he was not doing so well from what i saw (which was not that much i have to admit) also slush didnt even get to play (was probably ace) and they still won im kinda impressed | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:38 ReignFayth wrote: I think part of why I quit is the ridiculous expectations from players who are terrible at the game saying axslav is mediocre and strifecro is just not good and lz is trash i mean jesus christ give them a break from that point of view we could just say every foreigner right now is absolute trash at this game and they shouldn't bother playing this game since koreans are winning everything noone is saying 'foreigners are trash, they should just give up' people are saying 'foreigners are (mostly) trash, they should work harder for their money' go back 6 months and everyone was saying the difference between korea and the west is so small, now is our chance to have an amazing scene. then the korean players worked their asses off for no reward except the promise of a future scene in korea. western players who have already been given their scene handed on a plate with thousands of tourneys and massive prize pools. and from that we have tons of players pretending to be too good to take part in smaller matches or too cool to practice. thats, why u get this backlash when pro level players are allowed to get away with poor play, because we all know that if they had been working hard 6 months ago they would be too good for it now. On August 03 2011 16:49 sVnteen wrote: did spades 11/11 vs idra and ghost rush vs axlav? no srsly i wouldn't have expected that at all since he was not doing so well from what i saw (which was not that much i have to admit) also slush didnt even get to play (was probably ace) and they still won im kinda impressed spades made 10 helions and when idra saw it put down a spire rather than morphed banelings | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On August 03 2011 20:28 Holykitty wrote: noone is saying 'foreigners are trash, they should just give up' people are saying 'foreigners are (mostly) trash, they should work harder for their money' go back 6 months and everyone was saying the difference between korea and the west is so small, now is our chance to have an amazing scene. then the korean players worked their asses off for no reward except the promise of a future scene in korea. western players who have already been given their scene handed on a plate with thousands of tourneys and massive prize pools. and from that we have tons of players pretending to be too good to take part in smaller matches or too cool to practice. thats, why u get this backlash when pro level players are allowed to get away with poor play, because we all know that if they had been working hard 6 months ago they would be too good for it now. Except those same people go shit all over threads like the EG House thread, saying that it won't help and that practice is pointless because they are all "so shitty" that they won't actually improve because only playing good Koreans will make you better. People bitch regardless. | ||
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sekritzzz
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