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On August 03 2011 11:06 Crazypyro1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:05 Dommk wrote:On August 03 2011 11:04 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Guys, protoss doesn't have a harass unit.... How does blizzard get away with saying that when DTs and Phoenixes are in the game. Comparable to muta/lings imo. When there are 20 Viking you can call them a harass unit as well -___- Dustin also specifically said a "raider", most likely something that can kill buildings as well Idk, I feel like void rays and dts both take out buildings pretty fast and they are both used in the current metagame as harass.... Phoenixes seem like raiders, just can't attack ground.... Do protoss really need another way to harass zerg? :S
I think they mean an all around harass unit...
When there are 20 Hellions they are devestating, but a small handful like 5-6 Hellions are amazing. Phoenixes in small numbers aren't too good late game, usually not worth the cost, where as something like a baneling dropp, the mineral only hellion and the super efficient marauder/ling drops shine all game around. DT's are shut down by a spore and two spines, usually you need to invest into 4-5 DT's (500+gas) just to snipe that spore quickly to do damage, which when you compare it to a baneling drop or hellion harass is...kinda lame
You can't just say Protoss is fine with harass units just because a player went to a extreme with a particular type of unit, That isn't harassing, that is a unit combination with the capability of devastating harass.
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On August 03 2011 11:07 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:05 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 11:04 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:03 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:On August 03 2011 10:58 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:52 Mojar wrote:On August 03 2011 10:48 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:45 Shaetan wrote:On August 03 2011 10:40 wats0n wrote:
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EG has already admitted PuMa is staying in Korea. I don't get the point of your post. Which doesn't preclude him from playing in online team leagues. Also Puma is actually on EG, MC and Nada are just representing SK when they're not in Korea. They are still on oGs, Puma isn't on TSL. Alex Garfield said he wanted PuMa to move in with the team so he could be supported with a practice environment. Instead he's by himself in Korea and only flying out to major tournaments. What are you not getting? The fact that EG's actions are contradicting his statements on Live on Three? The fact that PuMa flying out only for events is tantamount to the SK deal? Obviously he can participate in online events, but he won't. It's pointless and with the lag and time zone difference it's impractical. That has nothing to do with the actuality of his status on the team. You obviously haven't been keeping up. Puma and EG have said that he is staying in korea, but is on good terms with all his old practice friends there and will remain in korea to train. He will fly out a week before foreign tourneys to get over jet-lag and meet up with and train with the rest of EG. ? That's nothing I don't know. You're misinterpreting my argument. EG signed a guy to just wear their t-shirt at major events. That's exactly what SK did. Saying PuMa is on EG while he is in Korea is the equivalent of saying that a tree that falls in the woods makes a sound. He's still only repping EG at the big tournaments just like the SK deal with MC. Huk is wearing a TL shirt at events, other than that he is basically oGs now. Huk lives in a TL established house with teammates. Try again? Lol wtf? he lives in the oGs house and his only teammate there is Jinro. He is also part of oGs' GSTL team. It's a TL-oGS house. What are you arguing against? Jinro, Haypro, Ret, and TLO have all lived there. He's with Jinro at the moment. Lol, TLO lived there for like a month ` and Haypro and Ret left. It was a oGs-TL house, now it's an oGs house with two TL players practicing in it. And it isn't "TL established", it was a partnership deal that allowed them to go into the oGs-established house.
I didn't say TL founded the house. I said that they established a house for their members to live in and that's where Huk lives. PuMa doesn't live in the EG house, he lives in Korea. Do you not see the logic?
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On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE.
- Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix
- Corruptors are awful against anything
So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine.
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On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE.
Corruptors are never the answer against phoenix, they have no other use and eat supply against blink stalkers.
Hydra + infestor is the only counter to mass phoenix, strifecro spent too much gas on hydra and had 10 too few infesters every battle.
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oh god i love the engie bay.
so much health relative to building time.
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Yes, phoenix do bonus damage to light, making them effective against lifted hydras. For zergs who get frustrated at phoenix play, don't neglect your armor upgrades. The phoenix attack is actually 5 x 2, and therefore takes a huge hit from armor; many toss will neglect air upgrades, and if they don't their ground upgrades are going to be slower.
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Does demuslim know that hes playing a protoss? Blocking expo with eng bay.. wtf
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On August 03 2011 11:09 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:07 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 11:04 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:03 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:On August 03 2011 10:58 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:52 Mojar wrote:On August 03 2011 10:48 wats0n wrote:On August 03 2011 10:45 Shaetan wrote:
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Which doesn't preclude him from playing in online team leagues.
Also Puma is actually on EG, MC and Nada are just representing SK when they're not in Korea. They are still on oGs, Puma isn't on TSL.
Alex Garfield said he wanted PuMa to move in with the team so he could be supported with a practice environment. Instead he's by himself in Korea and only flying out to major tournaments. What are you not getting? The fact that EG's actions are contradicting his statements on Live on Three? The fact that PuMa flying out only for events is tantamount to the SK deal? Obviously he can participate in online events, but he won't. It's pointless and with the lag and time zone difference it's impractical. That has nothing to do with the actuality of his status on the team. You obviously haven't been keeping up. Puma and EG have said that he is staying in korea, but is on good terms with all his old practice friends there and will remain in korea to train. He will fly out a week before foreign tourneys to get over jet-lag and meet up with and train with the rest of EG. ? That's nothing I don't know. You're misinterpreting my argument. EG signed a guy to just wear their t-shirt at major events. That's exactly what SK did. Saying PuMa is on EG while he is in Korea is the equivalent of saying that a tree that falls in the woods makes a sound. He's still only repping EG at the big tournaments just like the SK deal with MC. Huk is wearing a TL shirt at events, other than that he is basically oGs now. Huk lives in a TL established house with teammates. Try again? Lol wtf? he lives in the oGs house and his only teammate there is Jinro. He is also part of oGs' GSTL team. It's a TL-oGS house. What are you arguing against? Jinro, Haypro, Ret, and TLO have all lived there. He's with Jinro at the moment. Lol, TLO lived there for like a month ` and Haypro and Ret left. It was a oGs-TL house, now it's an oGs house with two TL players practicing in it. And it isn't "TL established", it was a partnership deal that allowed them to go into the oGs-established house. I didn't say TL founded the house. I said that they established a house for their members to live in and that's where Huk lives. PuMa doesn't live in the EG house, he lives in Korea. Do you not see the logic?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 03 2011 11:07 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, TLO lived there for like a month ` and Haypro and Ret left. It was a oGs-TL house, now it's an oGs house with two TL players practicing in it. And it isn't "TL established", it was a partnership deal that allowed them to go into the oGs-established house. It was an oGs-TL house when there were both oGs and TL players living there, and since that's still the case, it's no longer an oGs-TL house? What? The team's name in GSTL is "oGs-TL". When streetfightervoice-guy announces their players, he says "oGs-TL". I don't get what you're arguing.
Spoilered because yes, it's offtopic.
Ontopic: gogogo demuslim!
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On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine.
Maybe you should watch the ICCUP weekly because even for someone as amazing as Sage that is significantly easier said that done
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On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine.
Corruptors are awful against everything but phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had.
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On August 03 2011 11:10 storm44 wrote:
Does demuslim know that hes playing a protoss? Blocking expo with eng bay.. wtf
What's wrong with that?
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On August 03 2011 11:11 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:10 storm44 wrote:
Does demuslim know that hes playing a protoss? Blocking expo with eng bay.. wtf What's wrong with that?
Protoss is usually gonna get zealot + stalker before expo so even if you block its going to be like for 3 seconds?
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On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had.
Corruptors take supply for nothing. You get rid of the phoenix but you have 40 supply of useless corruptors. Exact same problem as the protoss collossus deathball basically.
Corruptor is the worst unit of the game, even blizzard game designer said that it's bad.
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I just got to say it, I really really like these commentators. There probably my fav duo after tasteless/artosis.
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Poor Kiwi. He is gonna have a tough time with the expo.
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On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had.
Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers.
This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless.
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On August 03 2011 11:12 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:11 Zane wrote:On August 03 2011 11:10 storm44 wrote:
Does demuslim know that hes playing a protoss? Blocking expo with eng bay.. wtf What's wrong with that? Protoss is usually gonna get zealot + stalker before expo so even if you block its going to be like for 3 seconds?
Plenty of Protoss skip Zealot in vT, in which case the engibay is a real pain especially if you want to 1G expand with Stalker/Sentry. -_-
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On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless.
He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot.
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