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This is the topic for the BLUE stream! (Mr Bitter and Husky)link to RED Live Report Threadteamliquid.net MLG portal(brackets, pool standings, schedule, twitter and more!) >>Brackets Here<<http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Anaheim_BLUETo find your voucher code for HQ, go here and scroll down. 17:00 GMT (+00:00) - 18:00 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1148.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/motbob/vs.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1825.jpg)  White-Ra < bo3 >  SeleCT18:00 GMT (+00:00) - 19:00 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1593.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1301.jpg) TLO < bo3 >  Sheth19:00 GMT (+00:00) - 20:00 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/980.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1460.jpg) Ret < bo3 > Socke21:00 GMT (+00:00) - 22:00 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1614.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/665.jpg) NaNiwa < bo3 > MMA22:00 GMT (+00:00) - 23:00 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2627.jpg) MMA DongRaeGu
23:00 GMT (+00:00) - 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
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MMA < bo3 > GanZi
00:30 GMT (+00:00) - 02:00 GMT (+00:00)
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BoxeR < bo3 > MMA
02:00 GMT (+00:00) - 03:30 GMT (+00:00)
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MVP < bo3 or extended bo7 > MMA
03:30 GMT (+00:00) - 03:45 GMT (+00:00)
Awards Ceremony
+ Show Spoiler [White-Ra vs Select] +
+ Show Spoiler [TLO vs Sheth] +
+ Show Spoiler [Ret vs Socke] +
+ Show Spoiler [NaNiwa vs MMA] +
+ Show Spoiler [MMA vs DongRaeGu] +
+ Show Spoiler [MMA vs GanZi] +
+ Show Spoiler [BoxeR vs MMA] +
+ Show Spoiler [MVP vs MMA] +
+ Show Spoiler [overall BLUE results] +
+ Show Spoiler [FINAL RANKINGS] +1. MVP2. MMA3. BoxeR4. GanZi5-6. Rain, DongRaeGu7-8. HuK, NaNiwa9-12. SjoW, SLush, IdrA, Ret13-16. HayprO, Socke, Sheth, KiWiKaKi17-20. CrunCher, mOoNan, TLO, SeleCT21-24. Tyler, Wannabecool, iNcontroL, White-Ra28-32. ToD, meRz, Attero, Oz
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 Results] +
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Results] +
Pool Standings (contain spoilers for both streams)
+ Show Spoiler [Pool A] +
+ Show Spoiler [Pool B] +
+ Show Spoiler [Pool C] +
+ Show Spoiler [Pool D] +
Road to Anaheim: MMA Interview
Road to Anaheim: DongRaeGu Interview
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what seat should i take??? (beanbag chair or leather chair), snacks are ready, productivity today=gone
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Koreans owning everyone as always :p
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It's Sunday Sunday gotta watch mlg on sunday.
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On July 31 2011 23:59 Lylat wrote:
Koreans owning everyone as always :p
As usual. Maybe we will see some upsets today.
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On July 31 2011 23:54 Jibba wrote:
We we we so excited!
Did you just quote Friday? : ]
Made me want to listen to (and mass) Void Rays...
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HOOOOOO BOOXXXERRRRUUUUUUUUUU
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So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all 
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we gnona have a ball today!
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On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all
Does it matter?
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On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all
Wtf is this?
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On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all
huh true, top 2 are 6 koreans, and 2 foreigners who have lived in korea for a long time each
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On August 01 2011 00:40 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all Does it matter?
It does matter in that it demonstrates Korean progaming houses and Korea training produces better players than a western style of training
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as long as the game are amazing, i dont mind much the fact that most are koreans or korean trained
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On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all
Rain was in Code S before he moved to New York, and didn't drop out of that either. He's only known for Cheese cause he knocked out NEstea using Cheese and Artosis hasn't forgiven him for it yet, but showed macro games even in that same season.
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go husky.... my heart with u
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Wow... who makes these broadcast schedules? They pick all the wrong games. In Day #1 and Day #2, they decided to not broadcast almost all BoxeR's games. Which is weird because he is by far the biggest fan favorite to be playing in MLG. Instead of him, we were getting games like Cruncher vs Sheth, Rain vs QXC, tgun vs Ganzi. No offense to those guys, but I think the Emperor would've been a far bigger draw.
And now on Day #3, they decide to broadcast every round of the loser's bracket EXCEPT round #6. What the heck? Round #6 is the first interesting round in the loser's bracket! That's the first round we'll see MMA, Ganzi, Idra, and Huk play today. Or it would've been, had they decided to totally skip broadcasting it. Of all the rounds they decided skip, why choose round #6? Sheesh.
So much fail.
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On August 01 2011 01:04 cosmo.6792 wrote:
Wow... who makes these broadcast schedules? They pick all the wrong games. In Day #1 and Day #2, they decided to not broadcast almost all BoxeR's games. Which is weird because he is by far the biggest fan favorite and biggest name to be playing in MLG. Instead we were getting games like Cruncher vs Sheth, Rain vs QXC, tgun vs Ganzi. No offense to those guys, but I think the Emperor was a bigger draw.
And now on Day #3, they decide to broadcast every round of the loser's bracket EXCEPT round #6. What the heck? Round #6 is the first interesting round in the loser's bracket! That's the first round we'll see MMA, Ganzi, Idra, and Huk play today. Or it would've been, had they decided to totally skip broadcasting it. Of all the rounds they would skip, why choose round #6? Sheesh.
So much fail.
Because they're going to show winners bracket instead, so you get the best players? And that includes BoxeR, so contrary to the first part of your post they'll get some games from the "fan favorite"? I'd rather watch close games instead of watching all the Koreans just stomp everyone in their groups like we knew they were going to.
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On August 01 2011 00:45 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 00:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all Does it matter? It does matter in that it demonstrates Korean progaming houses and Korea training produces better players than a western style of training
Yes becuase we didnt knew this allrdy lol?
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Why is it saying LIVE STREAMS WILL BEGIN SHORTLY?
Aren't there matches going on right now?
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On August 01 2011 01:08 Alvalanker wrote:
Why is it saying LIVE STREAMS WILL BEGIN SHORTLY?
Aren't there matches going on right now?
Upcoming events: 52m MLG Anaheim
TL is pretty good.
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So how does this actually work. How many players from each pool continue?
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On August 01 2011 01:07 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 00:45 CeriseCherries wrote:On August 01 2011 00:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On August 01 2011 00:25 lorkac wrote:So... Top two of each pool is Korean trained? Top player of two of the pools are "cheesy/has been" players? Nope, I don't see a Korea/World skill gap at all Does it matter? It does matter in that it demonstrates Korean progaming houses and Korea training produces better players than a western style of training Yes becuase we didnt knew this allrdy lol?
Wait a second.... so your saying.. if you practice more.. in a competitive environment, you'll get better at something?
I dunno... I mean sure there is SOME proof of that like I don't know with the university system, or EVERY PRO SPORT... but are you sure? Sounds like a crazy theory to me.
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On August 01 2011 01:11 GinDo wrote:
So how does this actually work. How many players from each pool continue?
All of them.
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too many liquid team kills
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Because they're going to show winners bracket instead, so you get the best players?
But of all the rounds to coincide with the winner's bracket, why pick round #6? They could just as easily pick Round #5.
And that includes BoxeR, so contrary to the first part of your post they'll get some games from the "fan favorite"?
I was talking about Day#1 and Day#2. If I remember correctly, they only broadcast 1 BoxeR series per day. There were other players that were getting broadcast multiple times per day.
I'd rather watch close games instead of watching all the Koreans just stomp everyone in their groups like we knew they were going to.
Huk and IdrA are without a doubt the two foreigners with the biggest following. But their first appearance of the day (round #6) will not be broadcast at all.
And as for Koreans "stomping" everyone, you have such a fatalistic view. History has proven that the most watched games are not foreigner vs foreigner games. They are not korean vs korean games. The most hyped games have always been Foreigner vs Korean games, which would've been readily available in Round #6. That could very well have been MMA vs White-Ra, or Ganzi vs Ret, not to mention the possibility of a Naniwa vs IdrA matchup.
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On August 01 2011 01:08 Alvalanker wrote:
Why is it saying LIVE STREAMS WILL BEGIN SHORTLY?
Aren't there matches going on right now?
starts 10pm PST
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On August 01 2011 01:12 FLuE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 01:11 GinDo wrote:
So how does this actually work. How many players from each pool continue? All of them.
Oh so their fighting for Bracket positioning?
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On August 01 2011 01:13 cosmo.6792 wrote:Show nested quote +Because they're going to show winners bracket instead, so you get the best players? But of all the rounds to coincide with the winner's bracket, why pick round #6? They could just as easily pick Round #5.
WHAT, WE DONT GET TO SEE HUK AND IDRA? thats fucking crap
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Can't wait to watch MVP play again, after watching that series vs Ganzi best TvT i've ever seen.
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How's Rain been doing? Were the wins "legit"?
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On August 01 2011 01:44 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
How's Rain been doing? Were the wins "legit"?
yes, he has played really really well, taking games off top players with straight up strats
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On August 01 2011 01:47 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 01:44 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
How's Rain been doing? Were the wins "legit"? yes, he has played really really well, taking games off top players with straight up strats
Of course they were. =_=
From Day 1, I've been arguing against Artosis on this.
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On August 01 2011 01:50 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 01:47 L3g3nd_ wrote:On August 01 2011 01:44 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
How's Rain been doing? Were the wins "legit"? yes, he has played really really well, taking games off top players with straight up strats Of course they were. =_= From Day 1, I've been arguing against Artosis on this.
Artosis is just mad cause Rain cheesed out his hero open season 3 lol.
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Personal bias? Oh noes!
One thing you should learn early is not to judge a player's skill by one tournament alone.
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Don't get in between Artosis and his true love, that transends all duties as a caster.
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Yikes, are these two streams going to show the same games?
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On August 01 2011 02:06 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Yikes, are these two streams going to show the same games?
Yes.
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At the start, yup.
Bitter and Husky will be starting the day off with a bang!
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really? so theres 4 matches on at the same time and instead of streaming 2 of them they stream 1? makes no sense
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I really like Mr. Bitters as a caster
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i pick mr bitter and husky instead of day[9[ and wheat
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Xel Naga Fortress?
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lol trolled. DND mlg guy.
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why'd people love white-ra so much ?
im gonna cheer for select :D
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LMAO, other guy throws game to White-Ra to make up for when White-Ra was disqualified. White-Ra is somehow the manner one in that scenario?
I'm not arguing White-Ra isn't, but Husky just totally disregarded what the other guy did for White-Ra.
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No! Cruncher is 1-0 on Tyler! WTF!
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hmm the blue stream thread is kinda obsolete, everyones just using the red stream thread even though games are on blue stream
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Here we go with another long day of games! White-Ra vs SeleCT should be a good start.
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thats a lot of archons o.O
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On August 01 2011 02:09 L3g3nd_ wrote:
really? so theres 4 matches on at the same time and instead of streaming 2 of them they stream 1? makes no sense
its ok we can watch them from replays later on + Show Spoiler +
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Select turning on the fire.
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On August 01 2011 02:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
hmm the blue stream thread is kinda obsolete, everyones just using the red stream thread even though games are on blue stream
Yeah it is pretty funny. They even use the red stream thread when the streams are showing different games to report the results of the blue stream.
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On August 01 2011 02:24 Mithriel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:09 L3g3nd_ wrote:
really? so theres 4 matches on at the same time and instead of streaming 2 of them they stream 1? makes no sense its ok we can watch them from replays later on + Show Spoiler +
VOD's is always downloadable right ?
escept for the open bracket
2 game has finished
cruncher 2 - 0 tyler
sockeh 2 - 1 ONEwbc1
i really would like the lesser ONEwbc1 to progress 
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Tyler eliminated by Cruncher 2-0. =/
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On August 01 2011 02:25 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
hmm the blue stream thread is kinda obsolete, everyones just using the red stream thread even though games are on blue stream Yeah it is pretty funny. They even use the red stream thread when the streams are showing different games to report the results of the blue stream.
yeah, though i kinda prefer having one thread, we had so many streams for DH and still one thread worked. hope this isnt tried again
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On August 01 2011 02:26 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:24 Mithriel wrote:On August 01 2011 02:09 L3g3nd_ wrote:
really? so theres 4 matches on at the same time and instead of streaming 2 of them they stream 1? makes no sense its ok we can watch them from replays later on + Show Spoiler + VOD's is always downloadable right ? escept for the open bracket
If noone is casting the games, not sure how a VOD will be up any time soon
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On August 01 2011 02:26 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:24 Mithriel wrote:On August 01 2011 02:09 L3g3nd_ wrote:
really? so theres 4 matches on at the same time and instead of streaming 2 of them they stream 1? makes no sense its ok we can watch them from replays later on + Show Spoiler + VOD's is always downloadable right ? escept for the open bracket 2 game has finished cruncher 2 - 0 tyler sockeh 2 - 1 ONEwbc1 i really would like the lesser ONEwbc1 to progress
the MLG VoDs require a premium ticket, though they may have youtube VoDs of games that werent streamed
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On August 01 2011 02:13 Vertical wrote:
why'd people love white-ra so much ?
im gonna cheer for select :D
I think it's because he's been around since early BW. Commentators like him, which leads to many fans liking him.
On August 01 2011 02:16 BlackMagister wrote:
LMAO, other guy throws game to White-Ra to make up for when White-Ra was disqualified. White-Ra is somehow the manner one in that scenario?
I'm not arguing White-Ra isn't, but Husky just totally disregarded what the other guy did for White-Ra.
Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. I think it was Mr.Bitter who was sarcastically portraying what epgimix did. I mean for someone to do that, it's pretty high class to say the 2-0 lead was unfair for WhiteRa showing up 10minutes late. I doubt he was like "I'm going to give up 2 games, because I'm better than WhiteRa."
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Ah, the old MC 1gate 3base expand.
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wow how did you get them? maybe tod uploaded them?
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I'm not sure if it's intentional on his part to stay at 40-45 scv's, but if not, Select is really bad at making scv's. He consistently had 400-500 minerals but wasn't making scv's.
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How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know.
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On August 01 2011 02:43 MCDayC wrote:
How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know.
Speschul Warp Prism Tektiks did a lot of damage. A lot more than it should've.
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There is so many people at this event watching Starcraft 2. Every time they show a crowd cam there is just legions of people there.
This is amazing.
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On August 01 2011 02:43 MCDayC wrote:
How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know.
Didn't he screw up with the warp prism drop, spliiting armies in half? That gave white-Ra like 1.5 free minutes before the attack. At that time the 3rd and the extra gate was running and gave him 2 extra warp ins.
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Whitera you are not playing zerg dude you can't just double expand...
Whitera: Speschul Tektieks bro
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On August 01 2011 02:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:25 BlackMagister wrote:On August 01 2011 02:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
hmm the blue stream thread is kinda obsolete, everyones just using the red stream thread even though games are on blue stream Yeah it is pretty funny. They even use the red stream thread when the streams are showing different games to report the results of the blue stream. yeah, though i kinda prefer having one thread, we had so many streams for DH and still one thread worked. hope this isnt tried again
It can work to have one thread for two streams, but if there is a thread for the blue stream why not use it?
It prevents confusion when the streams are showing two different games and switching between threads isn't a big deal. BW fans had to do it all the time during proleague so for me it's weird to see people not use the thread for the blue stream for blue games.
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Husky look damn handsome today :D <3
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On August 01 2011 02:45 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:43 MCDayC wrote:
How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know. Speschul Warp Prism Tektiks did a lot of damage. A lot more than it should've.
I mostly play zerg, but couldn't a terran just do a standard 3 rax push and cripple the toss there? Forget about teching to medivacs, until you knockout a base.
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On August 01 2011 02:47 Regression wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:43 MCDayC wrote:
How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know. Didn't he screw up with the warp prism drop, spliiting armies in half? That gave white-Ra like 1.5 free minutes before the attack. At that time the 3rd and the extra gate was running and gave him 2 extra warp ins.
Yeah, I know actually how he did it. But it my mind, Whitera's play should be so easy just to kill of instantly.
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Blue stream LR so classy. <3
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On August 01 2011 02:49 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 02:47 Regression wrote:On August 01 2011 02:43 MCDayC wrote:
How Select managed to not successfully punished a 1gate double expand I will never know. Didn't he screw up with the warp prism drop, spliiting armies in half? That gave white-Ra like 1.5 free minutes before the attack. At that time the 3rd and the extra gate was running and gave him 2 extra warp ins. Yeah, I know actually how he did it. But it my mind, Whitera's play should be so easy just to kill of instantly.
I think the smart thing would've been to deal with the warp prism as quickly as possible with all of your army and wait for 4 medivacs to just drop all of your army in the main of White-Ra's. You know he's going to be focusing on defending the natural & 3rd ramp so just bypass all of that and go for the main.
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Well, looks like Select has another chance to punish an early 3rd.
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or not.
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or yes.
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That Charge upgrade snipe has now become standard TvP ever since the NASL. Very interesting to see.
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Marauders are so good against buildings =(
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so unfortunate for whitera. hit the council a second before charge. attacked moments before charge re-researched and collosi out. blew up a pylon mid-warp, aborting 4 or 5 zealots and powering down the 2nd collosi seconds before popping out as well. yes, good game sense contributes to good timings, but that was a lot of fortunate rolls of the dice.
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white ra gave the game away. terrible council placement. sloppy colossi micro.
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That felt so cheap. Select didn't deserve that win, if zealots hadn't been useless and infinitly kiteable without charge white-ra would've won. And he might have held if Select didn't hit a crucial building one second before something finished again. What a shame.
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Aw man, White-Ra was robbed! I almost can't believe an extra gold base isn't enough to make up for a delayed charge. T.T GG Select- wp you did everything you could and pulled out a nice win.
But I will say this, Protoss out there, keep your tech buildings in a safer place please! And more pylons near production buildings!
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Just my opinion on how I see the competitive breakdowns at MLG. I know alot of guys who are going 1-4 or 0-5 in pool play are getting some hate, but I think it just goes to show how much better the competition is in pool play versus the open bracket.
worst pool play records:
Select 1-4
TLO 1-4
Cruncher 1-4
Socke 1-4
inControl 0-5
Tyler 0-5
Drewbie 0-5
Machine 0-5
These aren't bad players. In fact, they're extremely good. There might be a tier of difference between them and guys like idra, Boxer, DRG, MVP, etc. But they are also a tier above the open bracket guys. So when WhiteRa or Naniwa or Tyler steam through the open bracket, that's awesome. But it shouldn't be overstated as an accomplishment. Going 4-1 or 5-0 in your pool is a much bigger accomplishment than winning 8 or 10 matches in the winners or losers open bracket.
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On August 01 2011 03:04 Hamp wrote:
That felt so cheap. Select didn't deserve that win, if zealots hadn't been useless and infinitly kiteable without charge white-ra would've won. And he might have held if Select didn't hit a crucial building one second before something finished again. What a shame.
how does select not deserve the win? if charge finished the game would probably have ended differently but that's what you get when you put your really important tech structure in an easily droppable place
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On August 01 2011 03:08 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 03:04 Hamp wrote:
That felt so cheap. Select didn't deserve that win, if zealots hadn't been useless and infinitly kiteable without charge white-ra would've won. And he might have held if Select didn't hit a crucial building one second before something finished again. What a shame. how does select not deserve the win? if charge finished the game would probably have ended differently but that's what you get when you put your really important tech structure in an easily droppable place
And can see the drop coming and not doing enough to defend it, taking a really greedy expo when you can't defend both it and your main at the same time.
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On August 01 2011 03:08 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 03:04 Hamp wrote:
That felt so cheap. Select didn't deserve that win, if zealots hadn't been useless and infinitly kiteable without charge white-ra would've won. And he might have held if Select didn't hit a crucial building one second before something finished again. What a shame. how does select not deserve the win? if charge finished the game would probably have ended differently but that's what you get when you put your really important tech structure in an easily droppable place
And don't use chrono boost on important things when there's just energy sitting there. And you see the drop 30+ seconds before and don't move to defend it (though he moved down to stop any attacks on his 3rd, so it wasn't like he wasn't doing anything).
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Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game?
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On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game?
He just lost to a guy who went 1-4 in pool play. Yes, he's out.
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On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game?
Yea he's out completely. The two games he dropped vs Select are the end of WhiteRa's run.
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Why is the stream black? both nit working for me -.-
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On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game?
he dropped 2 sets, so he's now out
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On August 01 2011 03:12 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game? He just lost to a guy who went 1-4 in pool play. Yes, he's out.
that could hold some weight but this is select we are talking about..
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On August 01 2011 03:13 Tuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 03:12 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game? He just lost to a guy who went 1-4 in pool play. Yes, he's out. that could hold some weight but this is select we are talking about..
I didn't mean it as an insult to Select. Select is extremely good. It just goes to show how much tougher the competition is now, compared to what WhiteRa faced the past 2 days.
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I'd just like to add, that i think Husky and Mr Bitter are doing a nice job so far while casting! I'm enjoying it at least.
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On August 01 2011 03:17 Mithriel wrote:
I'd just like to add, that i think Husky and Mr Bitter are doing a nice job so far while casting! I'm enjoying it at least.
Same here. Props to them for a good weekend.
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Yeah I agree. They're a great casting combo.
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On August 01 2011 03:12 Xivsa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 03:11 miicah wrote:
Wait so is white-ra out now? After not dropping a game? Yea he's out completely. The two games he dropped vs Select are the end of WhiteRa's run.
No. He dropped 2 sets (bo3's). One against Gimix in the open bracket b/c he got dsq'd by being late. And then he dropped another set against select. It's a double elimination tournament, you get beaten twice and you're out.
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Bitter Sweetness? Must be the name of their casting archon ;D
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Husky & MrBitter, approved.
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blue and red show the same games??? how stupid is that :3
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I dont even get the stream up, wtf!!
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SOMEONE most know this sick song thats playing
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Hi guys I just woke up and don't know what the hell is going on, bracket says Ret 2-0 vs Socke, but they're about to stream it on blue?
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We're about to cast this game.
Ret's up 2-0 due to extended series rule.
He needs 2 wins to win.
Socke needs 4 wins.
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MLG has a rule where if you've already played in the tournament, the series is extended to a best of 7 and the score picks up where it left off. So Ret is already up 2-0 against Socke, but they haven't actually played this particular series yet just because Ret 2-0'd him earlier in the tournament.
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Must be extended series. bo7 with ret starting up 2-0.
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On August 01 2011 04:07 MrBitter wrote:We're about to cast this game. Ret's up 2-0 due to extended series rule. He needs 2 wins to win. Socke needs 4 wins.
well we all know ganzi wants ret to win xD.
while i think socke has a better chance against ganzi, ret has been the only player even close to holding off the slayers style, and i'm sure he's been thinking about it since, so i wanna see more reat/ slayers games
Edit: i love how i never know who i'm responding too, even when it's a big community name
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Oh, thanks for all the answers!
Even from Mr.Bitter himself
ty cheers
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On August 01 2011 04:10 SxYSpAz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 04:07 MrBitter wrote:We're about to cast this game. Ret's up 2-0 due to extended series rule. He needs 2 wins to win. Socke needs 4 wins. well we all know ganzi wants ret to win xD. while i think socke has a better chance against ganzi, ret has been the only player even close to holding off the slayers style, and i'm sure he's been thinking about it since, so i wanna see more reat/ slayers games
Yeah, I definitely want to see more ZvSlayersT. I'm less interested in the overall outcome, than in seeing if zergs can develop a response, or seeing the next transition in the build from Slayers.
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Where are all the Huk games? None yesterday at all and none so far today being casted... I am disappoint.
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On August 01 2011 04:13 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 04:10 SxYSpAz wrote:On August 01 2011 04:07 MrBitter wrote:We're about to cast this game. Ret's up 2-0 due to extended series rule. He needs 2 wins to win. Socke needs 4 wins. well we all know ganzi wants ret to win xD. while i think socke has a better chance against ganzi, ret has been the only player even close to holding off the slayers style, and i'm sure he's been thinking about it since, so i wanna see more reat/ slayers games Yeah, I definitely want to see more ZvSlayersT. I'm less interested in the overall outcome, than in seeing if zergs can develop a response, or seeing the next transition in the build from Slayers.
we kinda saw a transition from MMA vs Ret, where MMA essentially forces roaches and goes heavy marauder. I would just like to see the next step if Ret tries w/0 roach or bare minimum roach
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It seems that roach into some miracle infestor play or perfect ling/spine defense into banelings with speed could do well against the Slayers style. The problem there is scouting.
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ret socke game 1 extended series ret is up 2-0
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All I get is a gray screen for either stream, whats up?
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Whoa whats with ret's hatch at the gold.
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On August 01 2011 04:26 calgar wrote:
All I get is a gray screen for either stream, whats up?
try using another browser. if you're using a 64-bit browser i don't think the plugin will work.
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On August 01 2011 04:28 Bandino wrote:
Whoa whats with ret's hatch at the gold.
He'll drop a proper hatch when he has enough units to kill the rocks.
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On August 01 2011 04:30 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 04:28 Bandino wrote:
Whoa whats with ret's hatch at the gold. He'll drop a proper hatch when he has enough units to kill the rocks.
Or, uh, not. Ret drops a macro hatch...near the gold.
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it woukd get in the way of his mining drones... so it makes some sense
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hate it when a zerg has 200/200 army very heavily roach-based, and doesn't even have burrow..
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socke ggs
match point for ret
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ret just crushed that 7 gate HARD, so one-sided lol
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ret activated beast mode in that game
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game 2 ret versus socke
match point for ret!
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Game number two? Is this extended series or something?
Socke lost so many sentries by overextending himself early.
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South Africa4316 Posts
Great game by Ret. He took a big advantage by killing all the sentries early, and he never looked in danger after that.
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socke's attack is pushed back from ret o:
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gg from ret socke gets on the board! ;o
well played by socke
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nice blink micro by socke.. all the stalkers were in the red..
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Socke finally won vs a Zerg, first time I've seen that happen. Still 3-1 to Ret though.
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great micro from socke, all those stalkers in red/orange
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game 3 starts between socke and ret 3-1 ret leading!
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Game 2 of Socke vs Ret was absolutely insane. Socke's micro was unbelievably good.
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Too bad Socke had a fairly poor showing in his pool play. In so many ways he deserved more out of MLG. Good games, good luck to Ret v Ganzi.
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Lol @ bleu cheese hellion sign :D
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very unfortunate for socke, but it is what it is.
ret is a beast
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Game 1 BoxeR vs Rain definitely recommended. BCs, Ravens, Seeker Missile, and Yamato!
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Hoping we might see Idra-Naniwa on blue steam.
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Anyone else impressed with Sjow showing this MLG? Maybe he's back :D
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On August 01 2011 05:16 Andamanen wrote:
Hoping we might see Idra-Naniwa on blue steam.
Is that currently going on?
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On August 01 2011 05:17 Alpino wrote:
Anyone else impressed with Sjow showing this MLG? Maybe he's back :D
nope. he has only won against people he should win against and lost against everyone else.
On August 01 2011 05:19 vincom2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:16 Andamanen wrote:
Hoping we might see Idra-Naniwa on blue steam. Is that currently going on?
should start any moment.
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On August 01 2011 05:19 vincom2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:16 Andamanen wrote:
Hoping we might see Idra-Naniwa on blue steam. Is that currently going on?
It's in the upcoming round of the bracket, but I don't know when the games start.
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On August 01 2011 05:19 vincom2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:16 Andamanen wrote:
Hoping we might see Idra-Naniwa on blue steam. Is that currently going on?
nah think it will be another hour, first Rain v Boxer, then DRG vs MVP, and then nani vs idra, sjow vs huk etc
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If MLG sticks to the broadcast schedule, Nani vs. Idra will not be streamed. Instead the blue stream will just mirror the red stream's MVP vs. DongRaeGu coverage. Let's hope they come to their senses and deviate from the schedule.
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On August 01 2011 05:25 city42 wrote:
If MLG sticks to the broadcast schedule, Nani vs. Idra will not be streamed. Instead the blue stream will just mirror the red stream's MVP vs. DongRaeGu coverage. Let's hope they come to their senses and deviate from the schedule.
Ret-Socke was slipped in as well (I think the schedule had both of the semis on both streams).
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On August 01 2011 05:26 Andamanen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:25 city42 wrote:
If MLG sticks to the broadcast schedule, Nani vs. Idra will not be streamed. Instead the blue stream will just mirror the red stream's MVP vs. DongRaeGu coverage. Let's hope they come to their senses and deviate from the schedule. Ret-Socke was slipped in as well (I think the schedule had both of the semis on both streams).
This. They deviate from the schedule if it makes sense to.
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On August 01 2011 05:26 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:26 Andamanen wrote:On August 01 2011 05:25 city42 wrote:
If MLG sticks to the broadcast schedule, Nani vs. Idra will not be streamed. Instead the blue stream will just mirror the red stream's MVP vs. DongRaeGu coverage. Let's hope they come to their senses and deviate from the schedule. Ret-Socke was slipped in as well (I think the schedule had both of the semis on both streams). This. They deviate from the schedule if it makes sense to.
Not true. Ret vs. Socke was from loser bracket round 5, which was in the schedule from the beginning. Loser bracket round 6 is NOT in the schedule.
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Not showing idra-nani would be so fucking terrible...
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Blue stream getting wasted? :|
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If I had to guess, I'd say it depends on the casters. They need their breaks, but if they're up for it, I don't see why you couldn't deviate from the broadcast schedule.
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On August 01 2011 05:29 Mikhail wrote:
Blue stream getting wasted? :|
I wonder if MLG could get in a 3rd set of casters so that they could do a rotation instead of just turning off streams? No idea about cost but it seems they've got money to throw around in many cases.
Or even, like they (used to?) do with Halo, run games w/o any casting but still get them broadcasted.
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Huk already up 1 against Sjow. MLG Blue zzzz
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On August 01 2011 05:31 VGhost wrote:I wonder if MLG could get in a 3rd set of casters so that they could do a rotation instead of just turning off streams? No idea about cost but it seems they've got money to throw around in many cases. Or even, like they (used to?) do with Halo, run games w/o any casting but still get them broadcasted.
Ah, but they'd at least need an observer? unless it was a first-person view all the way through lol.
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nani vs idra 1-1...
jeez i wanna see that 3rd game
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so they are really not showing nani-idra? gj mlg...
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WAKE UP BLUE!
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Damn MLG, you got another stream doing NOTHING! Holy shit man....
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On August 01 2011 05:35 vincom2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:31 VGhost wrote:On August 01 2011 05:29 Mikhail wrote:
Blue stream getting wasted? :| I wonder if MLG could get in a 3rd set of casters so that they could do a rotation instead of just turning off streams? No idea about cost but it seems they've got money to throw around in many cases. Or even, like they (used to?) do with Halo, run games w/o any casting but still get them broadcasted. Ah, but they'd at least need an observer? unless it was a first-person view all the way through lol.
Split-screen showing both first person views? I have no idea if that would be fun to watch though
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Nani - idra anybody live update? From Anaheim :p ??
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On August 01 2011 05:48 eksert wrote:
Nani - idra anybody live update? From Anaheim :p ??
Its 1-1 (based on TL twitter)
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On August 01 2011 05:46 Andamanen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 05:35 vincom2 wrote:On August 01 2011 05:31 VGhost wrote:On August 01 2011 05:29 Mikhail wrote:
Blue stream getting wasted? :| I wonder if MLG could get in a 3rd set of casters so that they could do a rotation instead of just turning off streams? No idea about cost but it seems they've got money to throw around in many cases. Or even, like they (used to?) do with Halo, run games w/o any casting but still get them broadcasted. Ah, but they'd at least need an observer? unless it was a first-person view all the way through lol. Split-screen showing both first person views? I have no idea if that would be fun to watch though
Korean BW leagues tend to do this three or four times through the game for 30 seconds or so, it's really fascinating but hard to watch especially later because they tend to switch view so often.
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Go Naniwa
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On August 01 2011 05:54 radiantshadow92 wrote:
PLZ SHOW NANI VS MMA!
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It seems the next losers round will be streamed on blue, great news.
MLG: Once the Ganzi/Ret match is over, we'll decide which of the two CLR7 matches to stream on Blue. DRG vs Mvp is coming up right now on Red.
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They have to show MMA vs Naniwa... They're their 2 latest champions.
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Not using this stream at this stage of the tournament is just so sad. They used it to show almost meaningless and onesided games on day 1 and now we don't get to see games like nani-idra, ret-ganzi, ret/ganzi-huk or mma-nani...Just compare that to dreamhack where you could literally see every game.
Well, at least we have replays.
Oh wait.
@Andamanen
Well this isn't really good news since they won't use the red stream for that time. :D
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These upper bracket broadcasts are nice and all, but I'm really more interested in the lower bracket, where the loser is eliminated from the tournament. With matchups like Idra vs Naniwa, HuK vs Sjow, Ret vs Ganzi, and now MMA vs Naniwa... it seems like the 2nd stream is being wasted.
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On August 01 2011 06:01 Awesomeness wrote:
Well this isn't really good news since they won't use the red stream for that time. :D
Red will be showing DRG vs MVP at the same time.
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One day I will find out what the MLG playlist is -.-
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MMA versus Nani coming up nice nice!
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Why doesnt MLG ever show us HuK matches??? what the fuck seriously, huk is probably the biggest fan favorite out there and all we got to see is Huk vs Narniwar and DRG T_T
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On August 01 2011 06:04 Gondlem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:01 Awesomeness wrote:
Well this isn't really good news since they won't use the red stream for that time. :D Red will be showing DRG vs MVP at the same time.
According to the schedule the game starts after drg-mvp.
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Freaking IdrA... I wanted to see MMA rematch and you lose to Naniwa... grrrrr
See sig for how I feel about that.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 01 2011 06:09 catabowl wrote:
Freaking IdrA... I wanted to see MMA rematch and you lose to Naniwa... grrrrr
See sig for how I feel about that.
Very compelling.
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here we go Mr. Bitter and Husky up!
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On August 01 2011 06:09 catabowl wrote:
Freaking IdrA... I wanted to see MMA rematch and you lose to Naniwa... grrrrr
See sig for how I feel about that.
stop crying.
he played subpar all weekend. -_-
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Double streams all across the sky!
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Come on Nani! You can do it!
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Come on Naniwa - you can do it!
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Quite the scream on the red stream ? Does it have something to do with Nani vs MMA ?
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How did Naniwa lose those O.O
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On August 01 2011 06:27 n00b3rt wrote:
Quite the scream on the red stream ? Does it have something to do with Nani vs MMA ?
No its because 2 fan favorites are playing. DRG got dominated by MVP though. Just couldn't take a 4th base.
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naniwa got completely blind countered though
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Ouch, Naniwa (and Idra for that matter) hasn't looked so good as one might have had expected this weekend
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On August 01 2011 06:32 vincom2 wrote:
Super fast gg O.o
It was like 60 to 120 supply and Nani had one base 
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Naniwa. I really dislike stargate openers in any matchup. They always seem to struggle to do any real harass damage and if countered leave you completely open to a counter attack.
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Go Naniwa! I hope he does well =)
Still a bit disappointed that I didn't get to see idra play :/ Well, nothing I can do about that.
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Oh wow a bunker rush against a protoss. Not common at all, and it looks like Nani doesn't know how to react too well.
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Naniwa handled it fairly well
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Koreans always take the gold on this map, nani should know that.
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Nani is getting outclassed. If only we had got an Idra vs MMA rematch. =(
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pretty good defense actually, imo
given the fact that he played 1gateFE without any units at all
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Who keeps screaming in the background?
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On August 01 2011 06:41 Retgery wrote:
Who keeps screaming in the background?
Probably day9, he was screaming due to certain events happening in DRG vs MVP.
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mma just rolls over naniwa...geez mma is a beast!
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sigh,.. this is embarrasing. How can you not scout the gold on this map...
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well huk is out, lets go NANI!!!, come on win this, you got this
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and thats the last of mlg ill watch, couldnt care about koreans haha
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MMA is really good, but Naniwa doesn't play up to his usual standard in this series. It looks like Nani is incredibly nervous.
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How could he not scout that earlier... He lost just as he deserved to sadly
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MMA just cleaned up right there; even with the DTs munching through the army most of the time, he still came out way ahead
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Not even close >.< QQ
Well one getting so far again Nani either way.
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HuK is the last protoss hope for MLG, ggs Nani
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Damn HuK is out. and so is Nani now?
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Aww, to bad Nani. :/
Well played MMA-
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fail blink from naniwa.. he seems to play worse than he shoud in these games
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Someone takes the gold early on this map so often, it boggles the mind that people don't scout that.
Nani deserved to lose.
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On August 01 2011 06:46 CKHound wrote:
and thats the last of mlg ill watch, couldnt care about koreans haha
So you care more about whos playing than the quality of the games?
Personally i welcome "korean" finals, provided they are the best players at the event.
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someone is taking the sneaky gold like 50% of the time, can't undestand why no one ever scouts it.
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Can't tell how much of this is Korean training > all, and how much is current Terran builds (hello, Hellions!) > all. Don't think it's unbeatable, but that early map control is coming in critical game after game.
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On August 01 2011 06:41 Retgery wrote:
Who keeps screaming in the background?
The crowd at the red stream stage, apparently they had an epic game there
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boxer vs mma finals....oh man would that be a story
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terrible army set up by naniwa. his zealots were so useless for the start of that battle.
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On August 01 2011 06:47 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:46 CKHound wrote:
and thats the last of mlg ill watch, couldnt care about koreans haha So you care more about whos playing than the quality of the games? Personally i welcome "korean" finals, provided they are the best players at the event.
I can understand if u dont watch GSL that you like it, but honestly, i could just watch random code A/S game and it's gonna be pretty much the same.
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Seems like Huk is out too, top 6 is korean. Hopefully the rest of the world will be a little more competitive with EG house, Huk+Thorzain+Naniwa in Korea and such.
The koreans deserve the top spots in this tournament to be sure.
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Great, top6 koreans with 5 of them being terrans. At least I can go sleep now. Hope to wake up and see Boxer winning the whole thing and earning code S spot.
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Does this mean a Huk vs Naniwa rematch for 7th place?
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On August 01 2011 06:49 Sated wrote:
Eugh, Terran dominance in this tournament...
It is obvious this was going to happen as almost all the koreans in the tourney are all terran except DRG.
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On August 01 2011 06:51 Chenz wrote:
Does this mean a Huk vs Naniwa rematch for 7th place?
Yes but consolation matches are never streamed and are Bo1. Nothing to be excited about.
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On August 01 2011 06:52 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:51 Chenz wrote:
Does this mean a Huk vs Naniwa rematch for 7th place? Yes but consolation matches are never streamed and are Bo1. Nothing to be exited about.
Extended series to 3 :DD
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HuK... lost? Damn I wanted to see another protoss match
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DRG + MMA coming up.
Red's on break for a bit. The rockstars gotta go sign autographs. 
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On August 01 2011 06:51 shikheh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:49 Sated wrote:
Eugh, Terran dominance in this tournament... It is obvious this was going to happen as almost all the koreans in the tourney are all terran except DRG.
Wrong, Alicia And Choya are P. They just went out early
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On August 01 2011 07:06 Wipples wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:51 shikheh wrote:On August 01 2011 06:49 Sated wrote:
Eugh, Terran dominance in this tournament... It is obvious this was going to happen as almost all the koreans in the tourney are all terran except DRG. Wrong, Alicia And Choya are P. They just went out early
To be fair, they both had to come through open, and both lost in the mirror.
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On August 01 2011 07:06 Wipples wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:51 shikheh wrote:On August 01 2011 06:49 Sated wrote:
Eugh, Terran dominance in this tournament... It is obvious this was going to happen as almost all the koreans in the tourney are all terran except DRG. Wrong, Alicia And Choya are P. They just went out early
Think he knew that but the main point he was making was that Korean terrans rock too hard.
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On August 01 2011 07:06 Wipples wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 06:51 shikheh wrote:On August 01 2011 06:49 Sated wrote:
Eugh, Terran dominance in this tournament... It is obvious this was going to happen as almost all the koreans in the tourney are all terran except DRG. Wrong, Alicia And Choya are P. They just went out early
Almost all the koreans :0(means majority )
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Apparently naniwa forfeited the 7th/8th consolation match against HuK lol
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so yeah, this time, 1st to 6th are koreans XD
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Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas.
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On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas.
Whats your problem with better players winning?
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I see this korean dominance doing one of two things:
A) Encouraging foreigners to train harder and prepare better so they can win tournaments
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B) Cause foreigners to lose hope and demotivate them as the odds are just so stacked against them
Hopefully the remainder of FXO and the newcomers (Naniwa, Thorzain, Sase and Fenix) can train hard enough to produce results and give us more foreigners in the top 6.
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MMA vs DRG coming up! Casted by Husky and Mr Bitter starting on Shattered Temple!
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Dope we got a game!
DRG and MMA up Game 1
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How the hell does anyone manage to watch games with these casters, do you mute it or what?
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lmao... nice chat! flip the table rawr!
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Hahahaha, DRG with the table flip! So baller.
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On August 01 2011 07:17 bkrow wrote:
MMA vs DRG coming up! Casted by Husky and Mr Bitter starting on Shattered Temple!
DRG spawning in the West while MMA spawning in the East; Pause for DRG..
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On August 01 2011 07:10 vincom2 wrote:
Apparently naniwa forfeited the 7th/8th consolation match against HuK lol
I wonder if this means hes not going to bother showing up to future MLG's. Seed points are important. Koreans just own and it looks like foreigners have no chance.
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On August 01 2011 07:14 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. Whats your problem with better players winning?
Uhh I don't care I guess, I brought this up at the last MLG with the top 3 Korean finish. Basically, I like western esports and players, I like cheering for guys I can relate to, guys like me. When the Koreans come over and take everything I just don't care. Thus, as a viewer I enjoy a tournament with western players who I know and follow versus one with Koreans I don't care about.
I also feel like MLG was a big western tourney where guys could get some money and fund their pro career. Now that it is just a freebie for Koreans I feel like the western scene is going to suffer. Without money people can't train harder, they can't get better, instead they have to get a job at starbucks to pay the rent. I predicted this at that last MLG and will say it again, we are witnessing the start of the end of western SC2 esports. Sure there will be still be some players, but think back to Dallas when the field was so open and growing, now think about the current state. New players won't even bother, and lots of people are thinking of quitting.
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On August 01 2011 07:21 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:14 Darksoldierr wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. Whats your problem with better players winning? Uhh I don't care I guess, I brought this up at the last MLG with the top 3 Korean finish. Basically, I like western esports and players, I like cheering for guys I can relate to, guys like me. When the Koreans come over and take everything I just don't care. Thus, as a viewer I enjoy a tournament with western players who I know and follow versus one with Koreans I don't care about. I also feel like MLG was a big western tourney where guys could get some money and fund their pro career. Now that it is just a freebie for Koreans I feel like the western scene is going to suffer. Without money people can't train harder, they can't get better, instead they have to get a job at starbucks to pay the rent. I predicted this at that last MLG and will say it again, we are witnessing the start of the end of western SC2 esports. Sure there will be still be some players, but think back to Dallas when the field was so open and growing, now think about the current state. New players won't even bother, and lots of people are thinking of quitting.
But Koreans are guys you can relate to. They aren't that different ^^
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I want this casting duo to return.
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On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas.
The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS.
Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over.
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On August 01 2011 07:16 Astro-Penguin wrote:
I see this korean dominance doing one of two things:
A) Encouraging foreigners to train harder and prepare better so they can win tournaments
or
B) Cause foreigners to lose hope and demotivate them as the odds are just so stacked against them
Hopefully the remainder of FXO and the newcomers (Naniwa, Thorzain, Sase and Fenix) can train hard enough to produce results and give us more foreigners in the top 6.
At least what I have seen has been option B. If you are involved in the pro-scene, especially that level right below the top where people like Naniwa and Thorzain and Sheth and such reside, you will see that the outlook on the game has totally changed.
After MLG Dallas everyone was excited and motivated, a nobody like Naniwa could come and win a big prize pot and have money to continue his pro career and go to more tournaments and just really "go pro".
After last MLG, and even more after this one, people are questioning if they should even keep playing. Should they even bother going to MLG, since it is almost a sure thing to be a Korean sweep? It is just a really depressing feeling at that level of play right now. Even people like Idra is feeling it, it basically feels like western SC2 (EU and US) are too far behind to compete with KR SC2, and thus they might as well give up. Another few hours of training isn't gonna make it up, KR is months or years ahead right now.
In short, SC2 is starting to feel like SC1, and that will inevitably lead to the death of the strong western esports scene we have enjoyed the past year.
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On August 01 2011 07:20 Doomwish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:10 vincom2 wrote:
Apparently naniwa forfeited the 7th/8th consolation match against HuK lol I wonder if this means hes not going to bother showing up to future MLG's. Seed points are important. Koreans just own and it looks like foreigners have no chance.
It could be, he pays a lot outta pocket to come to each one. At this point it doesn't look like he or anyone else can even place in the money against the Koreans. He might as well stay home and do smaller EU tournaments not getting dominated by Koreans.
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On August 01 2011 07:27 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:16 Astro-Penguin wrote:
I see this korean dominance doing one of two things:
A) Encouraging foreigners to train harder and prepare better so they can win tournaments
or
B) Cause foreigners to lose hope and demotivate them as the odds are just so stacked against them
Hopefully the remainder of FXO and the newcomers (Naniwa, Thorzain, Sase and Fenix) can train hard enough to produce results and give us more foreigners in the top 6. At least what I have seen has been option B. If you are involved in the pro-scene, especially that level right below the top where people like Naniwa and Thorzain and Sheth and such reside, you will see that the outlook on the game has totally changed. After MLG Dallas everyone was excited and motivated, a nobody like Naniwa could come and win a big prize pot and have money to continue his pro career and go to more tournaments and just really "go pro". After last MLG, and even more after this one, people are questioning if they should even keep playing. Should they even bother going to MLG, since it is almost a sure thing to be a Korean sweep? It is just a really depressing feeling at that level of play right now. Even people like Idra is feeling it, it basically feels like western SC2 (EU and US) are too far behind to compete with KR SC2, and thus they might as well give up. Another few hours of training isn't gonna make it up, KR is months or years ahead right now. In short, SC2 is starting to feel like SC1, and that will inevitably lead to the death of the strong western esports scene we have enjoyed the past year.
anyone who'd set their mind to "avoid koreans to win" while at the same time trying win a starcraft 2 tournament, deserves to rot as a casual.
i honestly dont understand how you can think players being discouraged could be a problem. those who become discouraged don't deserve to win.
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On August 01 2011 07:27 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:16 Astro-Penguin wrote:
I see this korean dominance doing one of two things:
A) Encouraging foreigners to train harder and prepare better so they can win tournaments
or
B) Cause foreigners to lose hope and demotivate them as the odds are just so stacked against them
Hopefully the remainder of FXO and the newcomers (Naniwa, Thorzain, Sase and Fenix) can train hard enough to produce results and give us more foreigners in the top 6. At least what I have seen has been option B. If you are involved in the pro-scene, especially that level right below the top where people like Naniwa and Thorzain and Sheth and such reside, you will see that the outlook on the game has totally changed. After MLG Dallas everyone was excited and motivated, a nobody like Naniwa could come and win a big prize pot and have money to continue his pro career and go to more tournaments and just really "go pro". After last MLG, and even more after this one, people are questioning if they should even keep playing. Should they even bother going to MLG, since it is almost a sure thing to be a Korean sweep? It is just a really depressing feeling at that level of play right now. Even people like Idra is feeling it, it basically feels like western SC2 (EU and US) are too far behind to compete with KR SC2, and thus they might as well give up. Another few hours of training isn't gonna make it up, KR is months or years ahead right now. In short, SC2 is starting to feel like SC1, and that will inevitably lead to the death of the strong western esports scene we have enjoyed the past year.
It's not all bad. You've got teams like Liquid and Complexity practicing in Korea (at least on and off), FXO making a big commitment to Korea (both their own team and buying out a Korean branch), and of course players from Korea coming to foreign teams as well. To my knowledge (admittedly scanty), none of those things were happening in BW - there was Korea, and then there was WCG, and that was basically it in terms of big name events. Now we have NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL at least - how much they last idk, of course.
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On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over.
People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way.
Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post.
Because of all that, watching them play and win just isn't meaningful to me. I wanna watch some guy come outta nowhere and win it all. I wanna watch a guy like Destiny who I know come through the open bracket and have a chance(even though he has done bad, its an example, a western player who finally makes his name, that's exciting). It just isn't exciting to know on day one that the top X number of spots go to the X number of Koreans and one of them wins it.
Earlier on this MLG there was some exciting stuff, that Hawk guy that went through the open, and Tyler, and such. In the end though, it came out as I predicted, Koreans take all the money and the win, thus it is just a pretty boring event IMO.
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lol did he kill his own cc again? in the main base
the mutas only stayed to kill the scvs afaik and then left 2 mutas
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On August 01 2011 07:37 marvin. wrote:
Who knocked HuK out?
ganzi.
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On August 01 2011 07:32 VGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:27 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 07:16 Astro-Penguin wrote:
I see this korean dominance doing one of two things:
A) Encouraging foreigners to train harder and prepare better so they can win tournaments
or
B) Cause foreigners to lose hope and demotivate them as the odds are just so stacked against them
Hopefully the remainder of FXO and the newcomers (Naniwa, Thorzain, Sase and Fenix) can train hard enough to produce results and give us more foreigners in the top 6. At least what I have seen has been option B. If you are involved in the pro-scene, especially that level right below the top where people like Naniwa and Thorzain and Sheth and such reside, you will see that the outlook on the game has totally changed. After MLG Dallas everyone was excited and motivated, a nobody like Naniwa could come and win a big prize pot and have money to continue his pro career and go to more tournaments and just really "go pro". After last MLG, and even more after this one, people are questioning if they should even keep playing. Should they even bother going to MLG, since it is almost a sure thing to be a Korean sweep? It is just a really depressing feeling at that level of play right now. Even people like Idra is feeling it, it basically feels like western SC2 (EU and US) are too far behind to compete with KR SC2, and thus they might as well give up. Another few hours of training isn't gonna make it up, KR is months or years ahead right now. In short, SC2 is starting to feel like SC1, and that will inevitably lead to the death of the strong western esports scene we have enjoyed the past year. It's not all bad. You've got teams like Liquid and Complexity practicing in Korea (at least on and off), FXO making a big commitment to Korea (both their own team and buying out a Korean branch), and of course players from Korea coming to foreign teams as well. To my knowledge (admittedly scanty), none of those things were happening in BW - there was Korea, and then there was WCG, and that was basically it in terms of big name events. Now we have NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL at least - how much they last idk, of course.
From what I heard FXO basically got embarrassed in Korea, though I admit not following it closely.
It is also worth noting that the Koreans are winning more and more of those big name western tournaments. The last 2 MLGs and NASL were won by Koreans. We will see with IPL, and the Huk win at Dreamhack was exciting, but it is just starting to feel like Koreans win everything and suck up all the money from the western scene. Without money it will die.
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On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. Because of all that, watching them play and win just isn't meaningful to me. I wanna watch some guy come outta nowhere and win it all. I wanna watch a guy like Destiny who I know come through the open bracket and have a chance(even though he has done bad, its an example, a western player who finally makes his name, that's exciting). It just isn't exciting to know on day one that the top X number of spots go to the X number of Koreans and one of them wins it. Earlier on this MLG there was some exciting stuff, that Hawk guy that went through the open, and Tyler, and such. In the end though, it came out as I predicted, Koreans take all the money and the win, thus it is just a pretty boring event IMO.
The games are the exciting part, not the results. Rain vs Boxer man. Rain vs Boxer. I mean, if you like watching SC2, the games are the exciting part, if the SC2 pro-scene is like The Ultimate Figher or Big Brother to you it may get boring.
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On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. Because of all that, watching them play and win just isn't meaningful to me. I wanna watch some guy come outta nowhere and win it all. I wanna watch a guy like Destiny who I know come through the open bracket and have a chance(even though he has done bad, its an example, a western player who finally makes his name, that's exciting). It just isn't exciting to know on day one that the top X number of spots go to the X number of Koreans and one of them wins it. Earlier on this MLG there was some exciting stuff, that Hawk guy that went through the open, and Tyler, and such. In the end though, it came out as I predicted, Koreans take all the money and the win, thus it is just a pretty boring event IMO.
Koreans have been opening themselves up lately if you haven't noticed, almost all of the zENEX guys are streaming, cella streams, dragon, rainbow, etc. you can't just dismiss them like that. and frankly id rather watch the best play the best, as long as we have guys with heart like nani/huk/thorzain who are commited to training in korea with the best we will always have good foreigners.. i still watch soccer(football) and im Canadian, our team is fucking terrible but i love the sport so i watch it and enjoy the top end players go at it.
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On August 01 2011 07:36 MorroW wrote:
lol did he kill his own cc again? in the main base
the mutas only stayed to kill the scvs afaik and then left 2 mutas
Yea, lol. The marines were circled around where the CC used to be xP.
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On August 01 2011 07:24 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:20 Doomwish wrote:On August 01 2011 07:10 vincom2 wrote:
Apparently naniwa forfeited the 7th/8th consolation match against HuK lol I wonder if this means hes not going to bother showing up to future MLG's. Seed points are important. Koreans just own and it looks like foreigners have no chance. He wants to go to Korea and everyone above him is Korean/Code S (HuK) so he gets a Code A seed regardless of whether or not he beats HuK... right? He probably cares more about the Code A placement than MLG points.
I think he threw his placement matches against Slush in Columbus too, he probably just doesn't feel like playing after being out of the tournament already. After all, he has more than enough MLG points if he wants to attend, and has safe Code A spots for August + September already.
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On August 01 2011 07:39 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. Because of all that, watching them play and win just isn't meaningful to me. I wanna watch some guy come outta nowhere and win it all. I wanna watch a guy like Destiny who I know come through the open bracket and have a chance(even though he has done bad, its an example, a western player who finally makes his name, that's exciting). It just isn't exciting to know on day one that the top X number of spots go to the X number of Koreans and one of them wins it. Earlier on this MLG there was some exciting stuff, that Hawk guy that went through the open, and Tyler, and such. In the end though, it came out as I predicted, Koreans take all the money and the win, thus it is just a pretty boring event IMO. The games are the exciting part, not the results. Rain vs Boxer man. Rain vs Boxer. I mean, if you like watching SC2, the games are the exciting part, if the SC2 pro-scene is like The Ultimate Figher or Big Brother to you it may get boring.
Yea I watch to cheer for people, not because I care about whatever new strat or half second timing change someone might use in a game. I am the more casual esports viewer, but also the mainstream one. The vast majority watch to cheer for players they like, not to see timings and builds and whatever. A game is exciting when you have a vested interest. At least to me.
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Dual Site is DRG's go to map.
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how does this thread have almost 1% of the posts in the other thread. is the red stream really THAT Much better?!?!? lol
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DRG TEARING IT UP WITH MUTAS
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MMA mining off of ONE base, DRG has 4 up already!!
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GG drg takes game 2! series at 1-1
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So sick.. MMA delayed that one
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Epic epic games, only the most skilled of the skilled players left.
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On August 01 2011 07:58 TheNessman wrote:
how does this thread have almost 1% of the posts in the other thread. is the red stream really THAT Much better?!?!? lol
Blue has been the same as red for most of the day. There were bursts of posts when they showed ret/socke before.
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On August 01 2011 08:04 miicah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:58 TheNessman wrote:
how does this thread have almost 1% of the posts in the other thread. is the red stream really THAT Much better?!?!? lol Blue has been the same as red for most of the day. There were bursts of posts when they showed ret/socke before.
makes sense, but why does red take priority? isn't husky the blue stream caster? so technically, red is restreaming blue?
doesn't matter obviously, but i just think it's funny.
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On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post.
I didn't paint it as racist, those are your words. You root for Naniwa, since when is he from the USA?
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On August 01 2011 08:13 Contagious wrote:DRG
WHY HE ROACH/HYDRA
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On August 01 2011 08:11 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. I didn't paint it as racist, those are your words. You root for Naniwa, since when is he from the USA?
As I said, its not racist, I don't care where they are from. Naniwa streams in english, goes on the SC2 shows like SOTG and the OneMoreGame shows. He really interacts with the community. I would love for him to win. Same with players like TLO and others. He did that big fundraiser, he has been on TL Attack, he really interacts with the community. I don't feel like the Korean players do any of that, thus I don't have any reason to cheer them on.
Your thinking of it in a racial sense but it isn't, it is players who participate in the western scene (that is everywhere outside of Korea) and players who do not participate in the western scene (that is, Koreans).
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On August 01 2011 08:16 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 08:11 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. I didn't paint it as racist, those are your words. You root for Naniwa, since when is he from the USA? As I said, its not racist, I don't care where they are from. Naniwa streams in english, goes on the SC2 shows like SOTG and the OneMoreGame shows. He really interacts with the community. I would love for him to win. Same with players like TLO and others. He did that big fundraiser, he has been on TL Attack, he really interacts with the community. I don't feel like the Korean players do any of that, thus I don't have any reason to cheer them on. Your thinking of it in a racial sense but it isn't, it is players who participate in the western scene (that is everywhere outside of Korea) and players who do not participate in the western scene (that is, Koreans).
So guys that don't interact with the community shouldn't be allowed into MLG?
Plenty of Slayers guys have premium streams on TL, some Koreans interact with fans on twitter, and most can speak fairly understandable english.
Lots of western players interact even less then some Koreans, should they be banned from going to MLG?
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Any idea what that last (orchestral-style) piece was? Nicely epic for break music, anyway.
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On August 01 2011 08:13 Zedders wrote:WHY HE ROACH/HYDRA
Doesn't matter, he had basically lost by that point.
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lmfao.
fuck being a caster.
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On August 01 2011 08:24 MrBitter wrote:lmfao. fuck being a caster.
You're doing a great job bitter ! Keep it up :p.
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Sigh I must say im also kinda disappointed by the korean domination. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the viewer count actually drop from how it was at colombus just because not a single foreigner could even crack the top 6. The IdrA vs MC storyline was awesome because it was foreigner vs korean and the korean didn't just demolish the foreigner (obviously im counting Idra's first 2-0 over MC).
I don't think many would disagree that this tournament would be a lot more exciting if there were foreigners in the top 6... That way Milkis wouldn't have to speak for all of them for one thing. I really do find it awesome when the korean players speak english, however, so props to DRG and MC for pulling it off.
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Ganzi vs MMA coming up on blue.
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Most of us <3 all casters, it's just some people are never satisfied. :/
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On August 01 2011 08:16 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 08:11 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:35 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 07:24 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 01 2011 07:11 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all.
RIP the days of good western tournaments with exciting results. Now its just all Koreans win and a Korean winner, no more excitement like the epic Naniwa win of MLG Dallas. The good old days when restaurants had "Whites Only" signs. GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU DAMN KIDS. Given it's no longer exciting results, those MLG viewership numbers must have been dropping since Koreans have come over. People always try to make it racist, its not, but you can go ahead and do your best to paint it that way. Koreans don't speak our language, get our culture, participate in our scene, they aren't on the SC2 shows, they don't stream, they don't contribute anything at all to the western scene. Before this tournament the only Korean I knew anything about was Boxer. Thus, I can't just suddenly care about the results 5 guys I have never heard of post. I didn't paint it as racist, those are your words. You root for Naniwa, since when is he from the USA? As I said, its not racist, I don't care where they are from. Naniwa streams in english, goes on the SC2 shows like SOTG and the OneMoreGame shows. He really interacts with the community. I would love for him to win. Same with players like TLO and others. He did that big fundraiser, he has been on TL Attack, he really interacts with the community. I don't feel like the Korean players do any of that, thus I don't have any reason to cheer them on. Your thinking of it in a racial sense but it isn't, it is players who participate in the western scene (that is everywhere outside of Korea) and players who do not participate in the western scene (that is, Koreans).
You're the one who said
"Welp, another all Korean result. Just like last MLG, every Korean who shows up is in the top, if more and more Koreans keep coming pretty soon they can just rename MLG to GSL America and call it good. Not looking like western players can really compete at all."
I responded to that. If you didn't mean, Koreans specifically, and just meant players who don't interact with TL community, maybe you should've wrote that originally.
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GANZI versus MMA Game 1 starting O_O too much !!
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On August 01 2011 08:31 MrBitter wrote:
Ganzi vs MMA coming up on blue.
You've done an amazing job this weekend, best of luck in Germany!
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game 2 ganzi versus mma starting!
wrong speed lmao
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Oh did not know this match was going on, what happened in game 1?
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MMA down to three SCV's, forced to go all in. Gets his push crushed...still doesn't GG xD
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MMA doing what he does best and just rolling.
This game on the other hand. MMA is way behind.
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Made it home just in time to see the culmination of the tourney...
Not so upset by the lack of non-Koreans in the finals, but TvT I blame marines and siege tanks.
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That banshee was absolutely incredible -- forced two scans, killed a tank, distracted the vikings so he could get tank position.
MMA still couldn't win it, but that was pretty cool.
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On August 01 2011 09:15 bkrow wrote:
Was that some interesting 1 base play? I only caught the end of it
Sort of. Ganzi killed all but 3 of MMA's scv's early (both went banshee, i missed the start but I'm thinking MMA went gas first fast banshee while Ganzi went more standard since he attacked with marines + 3 hellions + his banshee) so MMA basically had to all in. It killed Ganzi's expo but Ganzi crushed the actual attack. Then there was some footsy back and forth for a bit where Ganzi just didn't expand again while MMA literally couldn't afford to. Then Ganzi won.
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so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better?
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On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better?
MC: "korean many practice.. 1 day... 11 hours... 1 week... 6 days... if non-koreans... many practice... same good"
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On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better?
They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG.
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On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better?
Someone could play 8 hours a day on ladder and still be nowhere as good. They play against other top level players and have chances to focus on their weakpoints any time they need to and refine new builds as much as they need against other top pros.
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wow i expected day9 to get more attention but blue stream seriously gets NO LOVE
550+ pages to 17 is ridiculous
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LOL Ganzi has no idea where MMA is and cloaks for no reason!
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Alright this is hilarious.
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Oh my god Ganzi had almost a guarantee of doing huuuuuuge damage with a cloaked banshee...only to not have scouted and skirt MMA's base and miss seeing anything. Terrible mistake
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ROFL.
Epic fail of cloaked banshee.
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What the fuck was that, Ganzi?
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On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG.
I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level.
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On August 01 2011 09:21 doomscythe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? MC: "korean many practice.. 1 day... 11 hours... 1 week... 6 days... if non-koreans... many practice... same good"
Koreans have an internal cold war arms' race where they force eachother to play and train better and smarter all the time.
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On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level.
Pretty much. They are too distracted with streaming/coaching/personality stuff to compete.
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Gosu banshee from Ganzi lol! Hellion drop from MMA roasts all of Ganzi's scv as Ganzi pushes into MMAs natural!
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MMA is so unbelievably lucky.
That's fucking tragic for Ganzi after the sick tournament he's had.
God I hope Boxer beats MMA :/
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...What? Upgrade mistake? Blue flame or something?
Or his scouting error?
Whatever. Ganzi threw that away. T.T
MMA vs. Boxer gogogo
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Code A spot for Ganzi and code s for boxer or mma!!
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MMA or Boxer get Code S right? WIN/WIN!!
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Ganzi needs a hug
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Is it just me, or has the BLUE thread got less activity each day, while RED got more?
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What an embarassing way to lose.
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That was such a weird/bad game. My face hurts from all the palm.
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Mr. Bitter, I think a lot of people expected Ganzi to do well... he's Korean >.>
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i think Slayers just made a decision to send MMA to the finals in light of the fact that he will actually have a fair series against MVP (Ganzi went 1-2 and Boxer just went 0-2 against MVP)
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On August 01 2011 09:25 mcmartini wrote:
Code A spot for Ganzi and code s for boxer or mma!!
No code A for Koreans.
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WTF did ganzi did?
he missed the spawning position with banshee,
I REALLY thought his blue flame finished srsly wtf happened to that upgrade? lifted 1 before it was complete?
and btw, some conspiracy thought, they asked MVP at the red stream after his win against boxer
which one he would like to me at the finals, MMA or boxer, but mean while the series between MMA and ganzi wasn't even over. MAYBE?
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Are we honestly supposed to believe that Ganzi just said "fuck it, i'm gonna play this one blind."? Really?
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On August 01 2011 09:25 mcmartini wrote:
Code A spot for Ganzi and code s for boxer or mma!!
Mate Koreans don't get the Code A spot only the Code S.
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What was that upgrade mistake?
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On August 01 2011 09:26 MagmaRam wrote:
Is it just me, or has the BLUE thread got less activity each day, while RED got more?
The games weren't as good and the casters aren't as amazing, so I'm not surprised.
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On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level.
Yeah i am inclined to agree with you, but it will force them to train so they will atleast have zero excuses next time around.
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On August 01 2011 09:26 Lamphead wrote:i think Slayers just made a decision to send MMA to the finals in light of the fact that he will actually have a fair series against MVP (Ganzi went 1-2 and Boxer just went 0-2 against MVP)
well if ganzi won, he would have played boxer for a code S spot so I don't think he would throw that away that easy
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No, blue stream is definitely getting watched - all the feedback is going in the red stream thread though.
Separating blue stream vs. red stream LR threads definitely did not work out.
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Thanks for the casting throughout the event, phenomenally done Bitters and Husky :D
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Ganzi lifted his factory to swap onto his reactor (that was on the barracks). This cancelled the blue flame a SECOND before it finished!! I don't think he could have won the battle if he had the blue flame but I think the cancellation of his blue flame forced him to do an all out attack as well as the failed banshee.
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They were def some gems over here though. Such as Ganzi vs MVP. Much better than whatever Red had at that time. So much better, that I even I can't recall which match it was.
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Great work Mr. Bitter (the revelation!) and Husky (long time fan), I thought beforehand that you would be a great casting combo and you haven't disappointed me.
It's been a pleasure and I will look forward to hearing more from both of you two in the future.
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Thanks for the casting Husky and Mr. Bitter, really good duo.
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On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level.
Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3.
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On August 01 2011 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:26 MagmaRam wrote:
Is it just me, or has the BLUE thread got less activity each day, while RED got more? The games weren't as good and the casters aren't as amazing, so I'm not surprised.
People are discussing BLUE in the RED thread, so it's not that black and white.
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Wooooooo Mr Bitter! He and Husky did a terrific job all weekend, I'm gonna have to start watching ESL casts when he starts up on them :D
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On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3.
EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap...
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On August 01 2011 09:31 StatorFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 01 2011 09:26 MagmaRam wrote:
Is it just me, or has the BLUE thread got less activity each day, while RED got more? The games weren't as good and the casters aren't as amazing, so I'm not surprised. People are discussing BLUE in the RED thread, so it's not that black and white.
Alot of the games today were streamed on both at the same time.
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On August 01 2011 09:34 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:31 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 01 2011 09:26 MagmaRam wrote:
Is it just me, or has the BLUE thread got less activity each day, while RED got more? The games weren't as good and the casters aren't as amazing, so I'm not surprised. People are discussing BLUE in the RED thread, so it's not that black and white. Alot of the games today were streamed on both at the same time.
That is true but even games that were only on Blue stream was discussed in that thread. And when the Red stream had downtime it was even more so.
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On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap...
Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch?
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On August 01 2011 09:37 TheBigBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap... Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch?
Western e-sports teams already have a lot of money/sponsors regardless of what people of other nationalities do.
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On August 01 2011 09:37 TheBigBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap... Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch?
I'd wager that the western SC2 teams have way more sponsors than the Korean teams, look at how many EG has compared to IM or oGs
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On August 01 2011 09:40 DoctorClock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:37 TheBigBear wrote:On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap... Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch? Western e-sports teams already have a lot of money/sponsors regardless of what people of other nationalities do.
Prize money doesn't go to the teams in 99% of cases?
Prize money almost has 0 impact on advertisers/sponsorship/team funding, it almost always goes to players.
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thanks for the insight. i guess i need to start playing 4/5 hrs a day to get up to masters..
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On August 01 2011 09:45 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:40 DoctorClock wrote:On August 01 2011 09:37 TheBigBear wrote:On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap... Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch? Western e-sports teams already have a lot of money/sponsors regardless of what people of other nationalities do. Prize money doesn't go to the teams in 99% of cases? Prize money almost has 0 impact on advertisers/sponsorship/team funding, it almost always goes to players.
And it's not like a Western company like SteelSeries would wnat to sponsore a Korean team, where there's less of a market for their stuff.
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On August 01 2011 10:23 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 09:45 StUfF wrote:On August 01 2011 09:40 DoctorClock wrote:On August 01 2011 09:37 TheBigBear wrote:On August 01 2011 09:33 StatorFlux wrote:On August 01 2011 09:31 YodaGoneMad wrote:On August 01 2011 09:24 PartyBiscuit wrote:On August 01 2011 09:21 Hammer442 wrote:On August 01 2011 09:19 wideye wrote:
so do the koreans just play way more than foreigners? why are they so much better? They pretty much all live in team houses. Train around 10 hours a day. They live for starcraft, foreigners such as IdrA and others have admitted they have not trained much but should change when the EG team house is up and running after MLG. I could eat my words in the future, but I'm almost certain that the EG house will show no significant improvements for the players there. They can practice for hours a day, but they will basically be playing the same people of the same or lower skill level. Sadly I agree, it appears to be the end of western players being able to compete. Really a shame, cause the first year of SC2 was just amazing. Ahhh well, there is always SC3. EG can't get better in a vacuum, I agree, but if more team houses spring up, the foreign competition gets tougher and wins get increasingly more hard to get, then we will get synergy through competition and evolution, hopefully closing down that gap... Since the Koreans keep taking our money, why would anyone make an investment as large as starting a professional team house from scratch? Western e-sports teams already have a lot of money/sponsors regardless of what people of other nationalities do. Prize money doesn't go to the teams in 99% of cases? Prize money almost has 0 impact on advertisers/sponsorship/team funding, it almost always goes to players. And it's not like a Western company like SteelSeries would wnat to sponsore a Korean team, where there's less of a market for their stuff.
Doesn't Razer sponsor some Korean teams (SlayerS)?
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Great job casting guys! Having 2 threads wasn't a good idea as most people just posted in the Red stream thread but they were definitely watching the awesome games and casting.
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On August 01 2011 10:58 Buchan wrote:
Great job casting guys! Having 2 threads wasn't a good idea as most people just posted in the Red stream thread but they were definitely watching the awesome games and casting.
Yeah, I mostly watched the Blue stream.
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