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On July 29 2011 03:38 hmunkey wrote:
He did just lose 1st round in IPL and then 1st round in IPL loser bracket, and both losses were against pretty low-level players. He's doing well, but not really better than ever. At least I hope that's not his better than ever performance.
So one of the best three Protoss players outside Korea is now considered low level? LMAO.
Like with many controversial persons the answer to his skill lies inbetween two extremes:
He is better than his hater give him credit for, but not as good as his fanboys praise him to be.
My opinion? He is a strong NA-Zerg, but not a Top-Foreigner-Zerg (eg. IdrA, Ret, MorroW), yet. For that I need to see results in major tournaments. Anaheim this weekend could be his chance to prove how good he really is.
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On July 29 2011 04:05 Trowa127 wrote:
Axslav cannon rushed one game and then out played him in game 3, exposing a gaping hole in his timing. Go read the first page, it seems you might need to get one of your friends to translate and I'm not sure if you can read English.
You said no pro watches and analyzes destiny's games.
IPL proved otherwise.
Did destiny win? No.
Did Socke watch and analyze his games beforehand? Yes.
These two are totally unrelated issues, and only the first question has anything to do with you statement. I duno why you try to prove the second one which has nothing to do with what you said about no pro watches his games.
You can't even make sense of your own post.....why are you judging other people's ability to read?
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On July 29 2011 04:09 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:05 Trowa127 wrote:
Axslav cannon rushed one game and then out played him in game 3, exposing a gaping hole in his timing. Go read the first page, it seems you might need to get one of your friends to translate and I'm not sure if you can read English. You said no pro watches and analyzes destiny's games. IPL proved otherwise. Did destiny win? No. Did Socke watch and analyze his games beforehand? Yes. These two are totally unrelated issues, and only the first question has anything to do with you statement. I duno why you try to prove the second one which has nothing to do with what you said about no pro watches his games. You can't even make sense of your own post.....why are you judging other people's ability to read?
Weren't the games played a while back? Destiny has improved. Also lol@ MC v Destiny would be so so awesome.
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On July 29 2011 04:09 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:05 Trowa127 wrote:
Axslav cannon rushed one game and then out played him in game 3, exposing a gaping hole in his timing. Go read the first page, it seems you might need to get one of your friends to translate and I'm not sure if you can read English. You said no pro watches and analyzes destiny's games. IPL proved otherwise. Did destiny win? No. Did Socke watch his games? Yes. These two are totally unrelated issues, and only the first question has anything to do with you statement. I duno why you try to prove the second one which has nothing to do with what you said about no pro watches his games. You can't even make sense of your own post.....why are you judging other people's ability to read?
Quote me where I say no pro at all - I said 'pro's' in general - all the 'good' players hes beaten seem to be totally oblivious to his timings. His builds certainly are not what I would call 'common knowledge' at this stage like someone like some other standard plays are, that is the point I'm trying to make. It remains to be seen what will happen when they are explored further.
And yeah MC vs Destiny would be fricking amazing.
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Post game interview :
So, MC how did you feel about the match?
MC: He maka many infestor. Me make high templar. Me so ezy win.
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On July 29 2011 04:04 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:55 Trowa127 wrote:On July 29 2011 02:00 dar5283 wrote:On July 29 2011 01:45 Trowa127 wrote:On July 28 2011 22:50 Enox wrote:On July 28 2011 22:24 Trowa127 wrote:On July 28 2011 22:09 PiQLiQ wrote:On July 28 2011 21:44 Trowa127 wrote:
So much rage in this thread. Destiny's style is a suprise to people - no one can deny this. Rain went the standard marine/tank, his micro was really good in a lot of cases and got caught out becuase he wasn't prepared for the infestor rushes Destiny uses. End of story.
We'll see how good Destiny really is at MLG. Lets guess why so many people are raging when it comes to Destiny in this thread? Well can it be jealousy? or because 90% of the people raging are either bronze->diamond players which most of the people recalls as newbies. I stopped bother a long time ago. Except when it comes to people like "Bagi". People are angry becuase Destiny is a figure that divides the community, so its not suprising. You can't gauge his skill on his recent success though - especially when hes playing koreans, who have never seen this style before. Give it a few weeks (or even days, as I'm sure people at MLG will be looking to snipe him) for someone to develop a counter build and then we'll see how good Destiny is. yea, he made his infestor play a real secret. its not like he streamed it for 10h each day for the last weeks Do you honestly think pro players are going to watch someone like Destiny stream? You have to remember he hasn't won *anything* ever. People don't see him as a threat, so they get caught off guard. We'll see what happenes at MLG as I said. As a side note - 'UHH OHHH BOOBLORDSS!' You act like people who don't watch his stream, don't know how he plays... Ok let me put this into perspective. Your going into the open bracket of MLG - you look at the bracket, you see players like Alicia, Ganzi, Jinro, Tyler, Rain, DDE, Vibe, Major, DeMulism.. Pretty long list right? Do you think people are going to analyze his play over players who are much more 'obviously' dangerous? And I did watch the IPL - I posted about his results in the IPL on the first and second pages. Can you not read? He lost in Winners and Losers bracket round 1. Mioraka, kinda supports my point when I say he hasn't won anything when he gets knocked out in the first round of the tournament you told me to watch eh? I'm not even taking away from Destiny - hes a good player, he has good strategy's but people are making him out to be the new Nestea and it just isn't the case. Why are you mixing up posts? Do you honestly think pro players are going to watch someone like Destiny stream?Please, reading the LR thread =/= you watched IPL. Anyone watched the Socke vs Destiny would obviously know Socke watched a shit ton of destiny's games. If Socke didn't analyze his games...........do you think he would go straight for HT on two base to counter Infestor? Do you think he would build a cannon on the high ground behind XNC's third, just to stop sneaky infestor play? As far as I know Socke doesn't do that against any other zerg. The score was 2-1, the games were extremely close. Yeah he lost in LR, but axlarv cannon rushed like a true Incontrol teammate... No one is saying Destiny is nestea level, no one is even saying he's the best NA zerg, but can he compete with top level pros? I think he already did several times.
I watch a lot of Socke's matches (because he is my favorite player) and he sometimes goes straight for HTs, but it also depends on the scouting information (gas timings, etc.). Building a canon behind the mineral line isn't something special, especially if you know that your opponent goes for Infestors.
I'm not saying say that Socke didn't watch any replays of Destiny, but I doubt that he watched a "shit ton" of destiny's games.
You could see in the first game that Socke's strategy wasn't really great against Destiny's mass infestor build. He won that game because he attacked every expansion of destiny with zealots and dts and secured new expansions at the same time, so he had a much better economy at the end.
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On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney.
By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL.
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On July 29 2011 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney. By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL.
Look at TLPD bro, he won the LG Cinema 3D StarCraft 2 3D Special League against sC.
Edit: Nooo D: I post to slow >.<
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On July 29 2011 05:02 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney. By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/LG_Cinema_3D_Special_League#Resultsyeah...
So before he won it, he was complete shit?
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On July 29 2011 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 05:02 Asha` wrote:On July 29 2011 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney. By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/LG_Cinema_3D_Special_League#Resultsyeah... So before he won it, he was complete shit?
No, but he has proven himselft in GSTL multiple times. I'm sorry that you think that cheap showmatches and practice games(between servers) are on the same level as tourneys(the games vs bomber and ace were played with lag remember). That being said Destiny is quite good, but is he a top 10 zerg in NA? We still don't know yet.
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On July 29 2011 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 05:02 Asha` wrote:On July 29 2011 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney. By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/LG_Cinema_3D_Special_League#Resultsyeah... So before he won it, he was complete shit?
DRG was good because he is smart about his play. Destiny gets to infestors and then just lolz as he fungals and throws an entire marine army at the other guy. I'm not saying Destiny isn't smart, he just doesn't vary his play...at all.
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Lets face the truth. Destiny didn't win. Broodlord/infestors won....
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On July 29 2011 05:20 phathom321 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:On July 29 2011 05:02 Asha` wrote:On July 29 2011 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On July 28 2011 16:39 Yew wrote:On July 28 2011 16:37 Superpower wrote:
does this prove to anyone now that destiny is really good? 2 koreans beaten, what more do you want ? Win a tourney. By your logic Donraegu is a complete shithole. After all he hasn't won a tournament, despite destroying a lot of top players in GSTL. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/LG_Cinema_3D_Special_League#Resultsyeah... So before he won it, he was complete shit? DRG was good because he is smart about his play. Destiny gets to infestors and then just lolz as he fungals and throws an entire marine army at the other guy. I'm not saying Destiny isn't smart, he just doesn't vary his play...at all.
You should watch the 2nd game of Destiny vs Ace on the GeForce tournament thing 
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Great games from Destiny. Congrats to him!!
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Huk? Whatever, this is not Destiny vs Korea/Huk... this whole series will go down the toilet if it isn't a true blood Korean. Huk better sing the Korean national anthem before the game.
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Lol, Destiny vs. MC... But he did take out Puzzle, so I dunno... maybe he has a chance?
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I understand the h8rs, but srsly, here's how things seem to go -
"lol destiny vs rain plz? rain rape him ez"
"oh wow destiny win vs rain? rofl probably server lag"
"oh wow both on NA? rain playing like shit probably"
"oh rain played well? infester OP!"
When I lose 3-0 or 3-1 to a player like Socke, you guys say it's "because he figured out his abusive strategy and raped it EZ PZ LOL!" You don't think I could have just played the same strategy, but maybe better? Maybe secure bases better, deny his better, keep up on injections/spread creep better?
When I lose, it's because my "abusive strategy" gets metagamed. When Idra loses 4-1 to DDE in tourney finals, it's not because muta/ling/bling gets metagamed (because that's the KING SUPREME UN-BEATABLE ZVT BUILD AMIRITE?!), it's because he made tactical errors. What the fuck?
If Infestors are so ridiculousy OP and abusive, why don't any Koreans (people you guys hail as the GODS of SC2 and all things related) abuse them for free wins? People thought 5rax reaper in the beta was abusive, and guess what? EVERY Terran used it. People thought +2 armor, 1 supply roaches were abusive, and guess what? EVERY Zerg massed them.
Infestors aren't OP, it's just a different approach to the game. If you're too stupid (like many Z players, unfortunately) to comprehend a different approach to Zerg rather than the herpa derpa i maek 50000 bases and units and a-move over and over again approach (not that there's anything wrong with that, as I said, there are different approaches to the race) then you shouldn't be commenting on the strategy.
If you think it's so easy, then why don't you just mass 500 infestors and go beat players like Puzzle, HuK, Rain, Dragon, DDE, Tarson, Boxer, Ace, etc...?
I don't mind the hate, I have tons of fanboys and they give me a bad name with how crazy they can be in forums. But if you're going to hate, hate on me for my controversial positions or my loud/abrasive personality, don't piss in the Zerg strategy pool by making idiotic, brainless statements like "O HE JUST MAEK INFESTOR AND WIN OP!! OP!1" because you're too fucking stupid to comprehend a different style of play.
TL:DR: If you want to hate on me, that's fine, but if you're too fucking stupid to understand the basic tenants of strategy, don't talk about strategy.
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He mad
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Did you fly to Anaheim or something? I figured you would still be on the way in your car, lol.
Good luck at MLG man.
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