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Stay positive, be happy and enjoy the event. Caster bashing and player bashing? Too much whining? Uh-oh!
Silu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
August 04 2011 18:08 GMT
#1641
Hi, I'm one of the organizers of the tournament and would like to give our stance on the whole BratOK/Stephano situation.

Basically, there are two possible interpretations of the rules here. One is that the criteria for foul play were not sufficiently met to warrant disclipinary action, and the result on paper is the one that will stick. The other is that, since neither was obviously playing one hundred percent to win, both sides would have fouled the rules (under "sabotaging games") and would receive similar punishment, which would be a DQ in this case. Neither course of action is optimal, but the latter is clearly the greater of the two evils, and thus the result will remain in effect and Stephano won the series.

Now, about the tournament system in general. Randomizing the playoff brackets (random group winner vs random group second) is not purely a positive change from the system used in this tournament, as it can easily (obviously not always) result in quite lopsided brackets with more higher skilled players on one side. If it would be clearly the best way to do this, every tournament would use it, including the major sports already used as examples of similar events in the past. The used system preserves the power of the predefined seeds longer into the tournament, optimally resulting in more evenly matched high skilled games later in the tournament. The downside of this is the rare occasion of this kind of thing happening.

Now, certainly the tournament structure used is not perfect and will be revised in the future and certain changes will probably be made. One strong possible fix is simply fuddling the group names and not publishing what group will be against what in advance. The reason this was not done here is because it makes the system less transparent, thus more open to possible internal abuse. Still, it probably is the better choice, weighing the pros and cons of each.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
August 04 2011 18:08 GMT
#1642
put the stream quality on 240, sure it ain't pretty but it is smooth for me now
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Andamanen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands915 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 18:09:45
August 04 2011 18:08 GMT
#1643
On August 05 2011 03:06 arachnidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 03:06 x2mirko wrote:
is the stream (TB & Apollo) lagging for someone else? quite severe right now and my connection is fine :/


Yeah its pretty laggy, hopefully will be sorted soon.

It was fine this afternoon, now its laggy for me as well.
(I want my Nada and Huk games in 720p )
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
August 04 2011 18:09 GMT
#1644
why they keep using justin which is sooo bad...
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 04 2011 18:09 GMT
#1645
At least Huk vs Jimpo is fine.
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
August 04 2011 18:09 GMT
#1646
On August 05 2011 03:08 parazice wrote:
Wow my Justin.tv is lagging so hard

same here... i thought it was just me
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
niteblaze
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1647
NaDa looks dead tired D:
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1648
lol that apm of nada's :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1649
Overconfident much Huk?
Carny
Profile Joined April 2009
Croatia284 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1650
jimpo beating the shit outta HuK
Shutting from the Sky
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1651
Elfi with the disconnect timing.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1652
On August 05 2011 03:09 Jyvblamo wrote:
At least Huk vs Jimpo is fine.

Well, Jimpo is.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1653
On August 05 2011 03:08 Silu wrote:
Hi, I'm one of the organizers of the tournament and would like to give our stance on the whole BratOK/Stephano situation.

Basically, there are two possible interpretations of the rules here. One is that the criteria for foul play were not sufficiently met to warrant disclipinary action, and the result on paper is the one that will stick. The other is that, since neither was obviously playing one hundred percent to win, both sides would have fouled the rules (under "sabotaging games") and would receive similar punishment, which would be a DQ in this case. Neither course of action is optimal, but the latter is clearly the greater of the two evils, and thus the result will remain in effect and Stephano won the series.

Now, about the tournament system in general. Randomizing the playoff brackets (random group winner vs random group second) is not purely a positive change from the system used in this tournament, as it can easily (obviously not always) result in quite lopsided brackets with more higher skilled players on one side. If it would be clearly the best way to do this, every tournament would use it, including the major sports already used as examples of similar events in the past. The used system preserves the power of the predefined seeds longer into the tournament, optimally resulting in more evenly matched high skilled games later in the tournament. The downside of this is the rare occasion of this kind of thing happening.

Now, certainly the tournament structure used is not perfect and will be revised in the future and certain changes will probably be made. One strong possible fix is simply fuddling the group names and not publishing what group will be against what in advance. The reason this was not done here is because it makes the system less transparent, thus more open to possible internal abuse. Still, it probably is the better choice, weighing the pros and cons of each.


Thanks for the clarifications, i pretty much agree with everything you've said.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1654
Bnet trollface
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1655
Holy HuK..... That was bad.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
August 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#1656
They shouldn't blame bnet.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#1657
LOL just as I say huk looks extremely hard to beat jimpo takes a game!!!!!
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
August 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#1658
someone pulled the plug :p
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
August 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#1659
huk gets stomped ^^
King of Kings
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany481 Posts
August 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#1660
Elfi out = Stream fine. :>
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