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bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
July 12 2011 13:11 GMT
#2541
On July 12 2011 22:07 Highways wrote:
Terran officially the weakest race?


I think we should say Terran is the weakest late-game macro race.

Also, you pretty much need to do drops. Big air and big mech doesn't last v Z. Also, you can't let the Zerg get 4 more bases than you.

I'm a Terran fan, and I think the key is continuous aggression verses the zerg.

Zerg has figured out how to beat protoss with continuous, good aggression, terran beats zerg with the same.

Also, killing drones is a big deal, so your opponent has to choose whether to build drones or attacking units.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
July 12 2011 13:11 GMT
#2542
4/4 on Liquidbets, haven't had that in a long while!
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2543
On July 12 2011 22:09 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:06 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:05 The KY wrote:
Some of these ceremonies are like the ones from a particularly bad PS1 fighting game ^^.

'Losira...WINS.' *losira does weird thumbs down thing and shouts something incomprehensible in Japanese.


Original Dead or Alive comes to mind.

Oh the days.


I was thinking more this fucking terrible one I had called Yusha; Heaven's Gate.



It was bad. I loved it.


Oh. Same thing though your not missing anything.

Textures!
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human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2544
On July 12 2011 22:08 MrCon wrote:
Losira vs Nestea can only meet in the finals, unless GOM has screwed their bracket.


omg so thats why no huk vs mc today.. now i look at brackets and they're turned again.

wtf they need to fire the guy making the brackets, altho i think its mr.chae..

this is just a huge LOL on gom..
WOrd, yo.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2545
I am reading this wrong or do you guy all reading this wrong ?
Nestea vs Losira can only happen in the grand final, they're on each side of the bracket.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2546
On July 12 2011 22:08 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:07 Highways wrote:
Terran officially the weakest race?


Yeah, terran the weakest race with larger than 50% win rate (from aggregated tourney statistics) in the last 8 months without exceptions.


Would somebody stomp into this idiots head that stats from 8 months ago are no longer valid? Give terran the stats they had at release and you'd see 100 % terran in every tournament. Also it's a straight up lie. All the big, recent tournaments (MLG and DH) that have released stats have had terran as the underperforming race.

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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2547
On July 12 2011 21:52 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:50 Dfgj wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:49 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:47 Daralii wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:45 Medrea wrote:
Overlords should have a separate really destination from units. Thats like the one real clunky thing left in SC2.

Wasn't everyone on TL just complaining that SC2 isn't clunky enough? x_x


Well, I am hella against poor control schemes that take away options from the player. Intentionally making a game control terribly is prob the silliest thing you can do. Control should always be granted, never taken away. Same goes for elements that do things automatically, they take control away.

Having an overlord rally sends them automatically to another place. Currently, you can manually rally them as eggs, or adjust their path once they spawn. Sounds like control to me.


Hmm fair point good sir. Well alright then.

Finding said eggs sounds painful. Though.


Indeed finding eggs would be painful - here's what you do with fast fingers though: select hatch(es) > press S > press V for however many OLs you want to spawn > click desired rally location on minimap > shift click on one of the eggs in production tab [warning: unused larva will now swap in production tab with any hatching eggs] > re-rally remaining eggs to new rally > shift click one more egg out for new solo rally > continue...


With OL speed you can quickly send out drop spotters very quickly without wasting APM around the map repositioning OLs. Of course there should already be a few OLs "out deep" or drop spotting from the early game, but yeah, it's nice when mineral excess permits in mid/later game
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
July 12 2011 13:12 GMT
#2548
On July 12 2011 22:11 BnK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:07 QuantumPhysX wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:06 Sc2Null wrote:
losira vs nestea ....r04 -.-?

RO8*

RO4*

You all know they are on different sides of the bracket and can only meet in the finals right ?
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 13:14:15
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2549
On July 12 2011 21:55 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:54 Meancookie wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:52 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:50 Dfgj wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:49 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:47 Daralii wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:45 Medrea wrote:
Overlords should have a separate really destination from units. Thats like the one real clunky thing left in SC2.

Wasn't everyone on TL just complaining that SC2 isn't clunky enough? x_x


Well, I am hella against poor control schemes that take away options from the player. Intentionally making a game control terribly is prob the silliest thing you can do. Control should always be granted, never taken away. Same goes for elements that do things automatically, they take control away.

Having an overlord rally sends them automatically to another place. Currently, you can manually rally them as eggs, or adjust their path once they spawn. Sounds like control to me.


Hmm fair point good sir. Well alright then.

Finding said eggs sounds painful. Though.


say you have 20larva. you select em, make 5 overlords, rally them somewhere else
then you select something random that has nothing to do with hatcheries. you select your hatcheries again, you select your 15 larva remaining and make whatever out of them which you can rally somewhere else

it sounds rather complicated but it's not too bad really :p only in the lategame can it become really annoying


Sounds similar to warping in, it drags your attention to your base.

you know u can rally through mini-map -_-
Stork[gm]
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2550
On July 12 2011 22:10 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:06 Sc2Null wrote:
losira vs nestea ....r04 -.-?

Unless Tester pulls off some miracle PvZ or NesTea suddenly became bad at ZvZ, probably.

I really don't understand why so many pro terrans don't try to make at least a few thors once they have their armory up, especially given how popular huge muta flocks are becoming. I know that mutas are weaker than they were in BW, but you wouldn't just not build goliaths because marines are good.

I agree, even one each mineral line... it woulda been so much different. At the cost of a few tanks... it would have beneficial.
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2551
On July 12 2011 22:10 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:06 Sc2Null wrote:
losira vs nestea ....r04 -.-?

Unless Tester pulls off some miracle PvZ or NesTea suddenly became bad at ZvZ, probably.

I really don't understand why so many pro terrans don't try to make at least a few thors once they have their armory up, especially given how popular huge muta flocks are becoming. I know that mutas are weaker than they were in BW, but you wouldn't just not build goliaths because marines are good.


It's not a terran thing, its actually a TOP thing. If you ever watch his Bo5 vs ZENEXLine from the Super Tournament you'll be startled at how few Thors TOP built when Line went super heavy muta almost every single game.

He's a great macro terran, but if it's not the key for marines or siege tanks TOP is a bit lost =P
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lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2552
On July 12 2011 22:12 human_ko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:08 MrCon wrote:
Losira vs Nestea can only meet in the finals, unless GOM has screwed their bracket.


omg so thats why no huk vs mc today.. now i look at brackets and they're turned again.

wtf they need to fire the guy making the brackets, altho i think its mr.chae..

this is just a huge LOL on gom..


They didn't screw the brackets. MC was in America. That is why Huk/MC is tomorrow. Stop being so dumb.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2553
Guys, must we go through this EVERY GSL? One race doing badly in one GSL does not an imbalance make. Shut uuuuup.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 13:13 GMT
#2554
On July 12 2011 22:12 MrCon wrote:
I am reading this wrong or do you guy all reading this wrong ?
Nestea vs Losira can only happen in the grand final, they're on each side of the bracket.


People have been saying that the graphics are always being flip flopped accidently so who knows anymore.
twitch.tv/medrea
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2555
they played 2 matches from each side of the grackets.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
human_ko
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation676 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2556
On July 12 2011 22:13 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:12 human_ko wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:08 MrCon wrote:
Losira vs Nestea can only meet in the finals, unless GOM has screwed their bracket.


omg so thats why no huk vs mc today.. now i look at brackets and they're turned again.

wtf they need to fire the guy making the brackets, altho i think its mr.chae..

this is just a huge LOL on gom..


They didn't screw the brackets. MC was in America. That is why Huk/MC is tomorrow. Stop being so dumb.


oh wow, thanks a lot!!!
WOrd, yo.
frogurt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia907 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2557
On July 12 2011 22:13 The KY wrote:
Guys, must we go through this EVERY GSL? One race doing badly in one GSL does not an imbalance make. Shut uuuuup.


Balance discussion is inevitable. Like death
"Koreans own white dudes" -Moon
Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2011
233 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2558
Why don't people actually look at the brackets before they speak?
Nestea is on the topside of the bracket..
Losire on the downside..
So they won't meet until finals
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2559
On July 12 2011 22:13 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 22:10 Daralii wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:06 Sc2Null wrote:
losira vs nestea ....r04 -.-?

Unless Tester pulls off some miracle PvZ or NesTea suddenly became bad at ZvZ, probably.

I really don't understand why so many pro terrans don't try to make at least a few thors once they have their armory up, especially given how popular huge muta flocks are becoming. I know that mutas are weaker than they were in BW, but you wouldn't just not build goliaths because marines are good.


It's not a terran thing, its actually a TOP thing. If you ever watch his Bo5 vs ZENEXLine from the Super Tournament you'll be startled at how few Thors TOP built when Line went super heavy muta almost every single game.

He's a great macro terran, but if it's not the key for marines or siege tanks TOP is a bit lost =P

Good call, Ill have to check that out
“... you don’t have to be Sun freakin Tzu to know that real fighting isn’t about killing or even hurting the other guy, it’s about scaring him enough to call it a day.” - Max Brooks: World War Z
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
July 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#2560
On July 12 2011 22:12 MrCon wrote:
I am reading this wrong or do you guy all reading this wrong ?
Nestea vs Losira can only happen in the grand final, they're on each side of the bracket.

I have no friggin clue

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors4/news/65587#

That shows them coming from Group A and D, which i thought meant same side of bracket due to them putting previous season's finalists in A and H.

>_<
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