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On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations.
You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game?
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Hoping for July to win for a Korea vs Korea finals 
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On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game?
I'm trying to get into the game? Is there something wrong about trying to get into the community?
I mean talking about the game doesn't exactly hurt you learning about it, now does it?
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On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game? Not that I disagree with your premise that his feelings about a player may not be grounded in much, but is that a reason to disallow him from partaking in conversation? Really?
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Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting?
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On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game?
Come on, don't mean, we were all new once.
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On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting?
Bischu vs Talson I do believe.
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On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game?
get off your high horse, anyone can post any time they want, regardless of how long they have been following the game as long as it's in a constructive manner.
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On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe.
Yeah but that's not how TB's vods are done, they are in 1 hour chunks.
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On June 20 2011 12:47 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe. Yeah but that's not how TB's vods are done, they are in 1 hour chunks.
yeah justin tv is never a good place to view vods, im waiting for the youtube release.
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On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe.
Nah.. it was Huk vs Tarson. Actually I'm not sure about Tarson. But it's definitely a Huk game.
EDIT: It's here http://www.justin.tv/dreamhacksc2/b/288344241... about 5 minutes in.
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So what time does dreamhack start at tomorrow Eastern time?
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On June 20 2011 12:43 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game? I'm trying to get into the game? Is there something wrong about trying to get into the community? I mean talking about the game doesn't exactly hurt you learning about it, now does it?
No, but getting into a deep topic about something you barely know make you look like a tool. No offense. I would like to know about my topic just a little deeper before even talk about it. Less than a month from Columbus is barely knowledgeable. It's a fact. Sorry. I don't mean to be an ass.
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On June 20 2011 12:48 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe. Nah.. it was Huk vs Tarson. Actually I'm not sure about Tarson. But it's definitely a Huk game.
MC was there for both, huk day 1 bischu day 2.
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On June 20 2011 12:48 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe. Nah.. it was Huk vs Tarson. Actually I'm not sure about Tarson. But it's definitely a Huk game.
He did Bischu vs Tarson aswell!
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About MC vs Idra game 2, Idra rallied in a bunch of free roaches, had a small army of 3 roaches and 2 lings where MC wanted his 3rd base, units rallying from all over (8 hydras, later 4, and hydra range half done), plus a superior drone count. The food difference wasn't that large, and MC has +2 attack vs Idra's +1 attack. At the "gg" at even supply, 12 of it was roaches in production. Idra's gg's weren't really early today. His battle positioning and having units rallying in during the main engagement are why he lost the final battle, plus the previous stated reasons.
MC also wasn't "winning with 1 unit" as he was using immortals. Idra was obviously doing his best to slow down immortal production with the contaminates, or MC would have had more than 1 immortal. But more than that, MC didn't have time to get different units. The only different unit he really needed (and had available) was immortals, and contaminate does this thing where it delays the build time. Robo Bay and Stargate tech would have taken way too much time and Idra would have stabilized enough to win before Colossus came out, most likely.
Now what Idra should probably have done was delay MC's push, counterattacking with that small army or with a slightly larger army. He should have done anything to stall and regroup his main army as his hydras joined the fight too late to make a difference. It's easy to see looking back, but Idra lacked the patience at the time to make those decisions. He probably tilted a little given the history with MC and his dislike of Protoss.
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On June 20 2011 12:48 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:48 pdd wrote:On June 20 2011 12:46 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:45 Olinim wrote:
Anyone know which specific vod has round 2 of MCbiscuit casting? Bischu vs Talson I do believe. Nah.. it was Huk vs Tarson. Actually I'm not sure about Tarson. But it's definitely a Huk game. He did Bischu vs Tarson aswell!
Ah ok. I stand corrected then.
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On June 20 2011 12:48 OooLong wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 12:43 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:41 OooLong wrote:On June 20 2011 12:35 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:26 Mailing wrote:On June 20 2011 12:19 AndAgain wrote:
Idra's proclivity to ignore positioning kills him as always. Both games against MC he put himself in positions where MC could put great forcefields. Using drops would be so much better, plus buying him more time to reproduce his army. Also giving MC more time to make more stalkers. MC knows how to stop drops with blink stalkers and would be expecting it on metalopolis. On June 20 2011 12:14 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 12:05 ken- wrote:On June 20 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:On June 20 2011 11:52 ken- wrote:
Idra is the only zerg I've seen who doesn't abuse speedlings against protoss. G2 he could have easily kept like 10 lings at MC's 4th and sent them into his natural when MC went all in. Maybe that wasn't evident at the time? I mean it's like they say, hindsight is 20-20. He never does it ever... vs MC at least. He's 2-8 against the guy now and he continues to use the same unit comp every game. Well that's what happens when someone's in your head. Once IdrA fixes his mental game he will be so so scary. Right now I sorta look at him and I'm like "He'll do well against weaker opponents but when it comes to really good players he'll fall apart." Holy crap are you for real? He played two close games against the BEST PROTOSS IN THE FUCKING WORLD. He didn't fall apart at all. He has a weak matchup. Losira sucks at TvZ and July sucks at ZvZ, big deal. Only NesTea, MC, Bomber, MVP, and MKP don't seem to have a weak matchup, every other top player does. You took my post wrong. I never said he fell apart against MC. Not at all, he played really well in fact. Looked like he was gonna win in both games at points actually. All I said is when I look at him, I get this feeling that he WILL fall apart against these much better players like MC. Not that he does. Now he did sorta fall apart at MLG though. Also I was only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus, so this is just based off of my personal observations. You were only introduced to SC2 during MLG Columbus? meaning you only know this game for less than a month? What are you doing here getting in conversation about SC2 when you barely know the game? I'm trying to get into the game? Is there something wrong about trying to get into the community? I mean talking about the game doesn't exactly hurt you learning about it, now does it? No, but getting into a deep topic about something you barely know make you look like a tool. No offense. I would like to know about my topic just a little deeper before even talk about it. Less than a month from Columbus is barely knowledgeable. It's a fact. Sorry. I don't mean to be an ass.
No offense taken. We just go at things differently. Some people like to research heavily before getting into a community, I learn faster by jumping straight into the community.
Also helps that every single day since Columbus ended I've only watched Day9 Dailies and VoDs of Korean Terrans to help my understanding of my own race.
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MC co casting Bischu vs Tarson here at 23 minutes.
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