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We will be moderating harshly in this thread. Think twice before you post. Things we are watching for: image macros, balance whining, "eagles", player bashing etc. We encourage civil and reasoned critique of our moderation - please post it in the website feedback forum.

Please don't complain about MLG stream quality or MLG itself. They work very hard to provide you with an enjoyable service.

Enough with the racism discussions, this is a LR Thread. Cut it out.
-- updated 7:55 KST
DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22481
zealots are unfortunatly completely worthless vs zerg Notl ike in BW where zelaot timign attacks could be deadly.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22482
Losira denies the expo ! :>
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22483
Incredible spore micro,,, never thought i could say that.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22484
On June 06 2011 08:01 GenesisX wrote:
are they playing on korean server?


Yes. They wanted the extra lag.
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22485
losira playing this so nicely
good luck have batman
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 23:02:47
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22486
31 banelings + MOAR BANELINGS! Please dont a-move them! PLEASE MICRO these drops!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22487
@MLG_SolidJake: Every seat for SC2, Halo, and Blops is filled for SC2 finals at #MLG .. With people standing! Mind = blown http://t.co/IDi06qg
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22488
BANE DROP BABY GOGO
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22489
Why Idra lost:

EGiNcontroL 12:59am via Twitter for iPhone
Eg at bar getting drunk planning world domination. Sup?????? #MLG
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22490
this is getting epic
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22491
On June 06 2011 08:01 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 08:00 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:59 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:59 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:58 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:57 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:57 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:55 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:54 Drazerk wrote:
[quote]

4:00

Ling speed starting for Losira


5:45

Third base on the way for Losira


6:40

Stargate finishes

Evo chamber on the way


8:00


Void ray and pheonixes are now out


8:30

Losira prevents the air harass by MC who did almost nothing


9:00

Lair on the way for Losira

4 gates on the way for MC


10:45

Charge on the way for MC

Burrow on the way for Losira


12:00

Zealot attack the roaches of Losira


13:00

Losira holds the attack and is building Hydras


14:00

Ventral sack on the way for Losira

Thermal lance on the way for MC

Losira going to attack MC


15:45

Zerglings cause a cancel on the third of MC

Banelings being loaded into overlords
baeric
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany649 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22492
Banelings everywhere!
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22493
On June 06 2011 07:52 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:48 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?


+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers



I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.


I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.


If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.


Except for the part where the foreigners are gone for ONE MONTH. For one whole month they can't compete in any "westerner" tourneys/showmatches without lagging around everywhere. Where with the MLG, the Koreans are "out of action" for THREE DAYS, and even for those 3 days, the GSL stops, so they're not losing any other potential income.
Which is why you've seen the best Koreans out there in July, MC, Losira, and MMA accept, where the best foreigners have already said
"No I will not take the Code A ticket, to leave for 30 days."

Even more so, when 4th place MLG attracts the same amount of prize money as first place Code A.


So we have... 10 times the length, losing tourneys, for 1/3rd of the cash. Foreigners are getting 30 times less potential money per day, and they're getting treated better?


Yes, they are getting treated better. As you can see the Korean scene is far better. A month of training in Korea is MUCH better than winning a couple $100 tournaments every week even if you don't perform well in Code A. And not being able to perform in Code A is NOTHING BUT THE FOREIGNER'S FAULT. sorry for GOMTV expecting the 6.5 billion other people in the world outside of Korea to produce at least one competitive foreigner. which I hope is Naniwa, and I hope he gets accepted into the ogs house somehow.


The koreans have had 20 years of being on Korea.... You expect Naniwa to take a Code A spot, be there for a month, then join the Koreans on their level?.....
In order to LIVE in Korea like Jinro and HuK do, you NEED money. Whats the way a SC2 player gets money? Sponsors, and tourneys. Liquid has good enough sponsors to afford it, as so does FXO. The majority (regardless of skill) simply cant afford it.

At this rate, we won't see Nani/Thorzain at the next MLG.
Then, over time, you will see Americans lose interest in playing professionally too, because the only things they can win are the $100 show matches each week. Then, the crowds will leave. The die hards (like yourself and I) will still keep an eye on GomTV, but NA will lose depth.

Don't kid yourself. The same thing happened in SC1. Why would SC2 go any different with the same direction?
Play the games!
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22494
I LOVE baneling drops.
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22495
On June 06 2011 07:59 fartdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:57 TooN wrote:
Why is everyone now freaking out about Koreans? is it because they wrecked MLG?


because these people are ultimate hyppocrites. just a month ago they all came onto these forums bashing mlg dallas. now that some koreans show up at columbus they turn on their bandwagon patriotism and pretend that mlg is some sacred cherished tourney they hold dear to their heart and pretend they didn't just rip it to complete shreds a month ago and considered it a joke tourney



Hopefully these people are just part of the proverbial "vocal minority" and don't really share TL and the foreign community's opinions.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22496
wow everyone @mlg is watching on all the streams. sick amount of people. sc2 domination tour continues. :D
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22497
oh man mc dead
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
June 05 2011 23:02 GMT
#22498
MC looking helpless righ now, no way hes taking this win, Losira just to solid.
youtube.com/N0rthernL1ght
ak1knight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States313 Posts
June 05 2011 23:03 GMT
#22499
If you mouse over the stream and look in the bottom right are the VODs
w00t
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
June 05 2011 23:03 GMT
#22500
They see me rollin'!! They hatin'!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
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