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Enough with the racism discussions, this is a LR Thread. Cut it out. -- updated 7:55 KST
On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote: Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.
If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three.
It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another.
Thorzain, Idra, and Thorzain are all the same race, caucasian. Pulling for your race is not racist. Putting down a race because of their race is racist.
I think it's silly anyway. I just love watching great SC2 players. I don't care what race they are. People were chanting USA when Idra beat MC, I think that is silly. I'm American but would much rather watch ThorZain or MMA than Painuser.
Rooting for someone or something based purely of race is racism.
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote: Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!
A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.
Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.
Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)
Sincearly, Concerned fan.
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This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?
Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.
Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?
I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.
Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.
Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....
They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?
+1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers
I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.
And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.
I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.
If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.
Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal.
First of all you get an all expenses paid trip to korea, second of all sure the tournament isnt top heavy but it has pretty much the same prize pool as MLG, and really its not a month long tournament first of all the round of 32 and the round of 16 happen over the course of 5 days now so if you lose in that time nothing is stopping you from going back home as you didnt make it to the up and down matches, if your still in the tournament after that its worth staying the extra week and a half to 2 weeks for the up and down matches or to see if you win code a (code a winner gets a spot in code s now) honestly its a huge opportunity and GSL is far more prestigious then MLG i dont see why players wouldnt want to try it out for a few weeks to see if they could get code s, if they get knocked out before the round of 8 no harm no foul go home and you got a free 5 day vacation in korea, you could stay longer and see the sights if you wanted too, god knows i would do that for sure.
I'll add that the real value in the Code A/Code S (not this tournament) invites is getting to compete against the best players in the world. A lot of foreign progamers aren't interested in becoming the best and don't want to compete against the Koreans. Not everyone is like Huk, Jinro or Naniwa, Thorzain who both want to go to Korea to become better not for easy money.
smart man. for a true gamer and competitor, it aint about the money. it's about the chance for eternal glory. people don't understand why jinro skyrocketed into fandom. it aint because he won a mlg, it's cuz he got into the semifinals of GSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
play against the best because the rest dont matter.
On June 06 2011 07:34 Blacktion wrote: So fucking sick by MMA! Feel like denying tech like that might become a standard strat in TvZ. Quick question, can you build multiple spawning pools at expos to prevent this? I know you can have multiple bane nest because ive seen players do it by mistake.
On June 06 2011 07:46 Fionn wrote: Yes, Koreans will be sent to MLG.
Bomber has been confirmed to going to Anaheim and three others.
MC, Losira and MMA might also come back since they'll be seeded. There also might be another CotH winner that comes.
Come on, would you really rather see Gretorp play instead of MarineKing in pool play?
Nothing would make me happier than watching Nestea win Anaheim without dropping a single game. Hopefully Korean team sponsors will start sending their players to events, but I have my doubts. The $400 MLG travel stipend isn't going to cut it for them.
EPT
MC vs Losira 
