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dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
June 01 2011 23:53 GMT
#4421
Also I find it pretty hilarious that people underrate MarineKing so badly on TL because they are busy copying Artosis' comments

Meanwhile MC/MVP/Nestea have all shown they have great amounts of respect towards MarineKing in their interviews and consider him to be one of the best, not Nada, not MMA and not Bomber. MarineKing.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
June 02 2011 00:02 GMT
#4422
Just caught the Nestea vs. Bomber VODS and WOW, in retrospect I never should have been worried for NesTea, truly the God Zerg :D

It's a testament to how masterful his play was that he was able to control the flow of the game and force Bomber into suboptimal decision paths, even on Crossfire, and basically outclass Bomber to the point that there are actually nublings in this thread who would say "Bomber threw the games away" or "they both played bad"...LOL r u sirius bro??

It's sad that NesTea would show us near perfect play and some people aren't able to see it, they just see random chaos and "luck"...maybe with Tastosis casting it would have been articulated more clearly. Many zergs would have folded when he lost the 3rd hatch on Crossfire, I could even imagine idra gg'ing, but NesTea simply dodged and weaved around, picking down forces where he could and keeping tabs to make sure Bomber wasn't taking his 3rd. So well played by NesTea.
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
June 02 2011 00:24 GMT
#4423
nestea is not the best player, he lost to huk one time...
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
June 02 2011 01:24 GMT
#4424
huk is a good player.

Anyone know who's casting today/tommorow? (depends on where you are) as I guess Moletrap is flying back to the USA tommorow. Will it be wolf on his own? ^^
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 02 2011 01:52 GMT
#4425
OMG. I had to go to work and miss Nestea vs Bomber (((( Were they recommended cause they actually were awesome or were they recommended cause of who played?
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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
June 02 2011 01:57 GMT
#4426
Great play by bomber in the 2nd half of the first game. So close to breaking Nestea there, but 3/3 ultras are pretty good in numbers. He should have considered marauders after Nestea started going ultras, but hard choice with broods out too.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
June 02 2011 02:08 GMT
#4427
On June 02 2011 10:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:
OMG. I had to go to work and miss Nestea vs Bomber (((( Were they recommended cause they actually were awesome or were they recommended cause of who played?



it shows Nestea is up for first sc2 bonjwa. definately worth watching.
Sumwar
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada199 Posts
June 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#4428
Yea that's a good point shire, we haven't had a true bonjwa in sc2 yet but I think Nestea is definitely a potential first candidate. The series Nestea vs Bomber was amazing and I highly recommending watching it if you have limited time to watch all of the games.
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 03:20:40
June 02 2011 03:19 GMT
#4429
Just watched the vods. It was interesting to see Bomber shaken up. He had this stone cold intimidating vibe in previous matches, but against players he respects like mvp and nestea he shows great weakness. He didn't play bad, but far from his best, while nestea was solid as usual. I remember back in the day Nestea complaining how he could rarely beat mvp in practice, I wonder how that is now. It's interesting to see players evolve and the metagame shift. As much as it's already been beaten to death, the game is still in it's infancy. The volatility is prevalent. Looking forward to seeing mkp, alicia, mma, nestea and sc for the remainder of this tournament (=
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
June 02 2011 03:31 GMT
#4430
On June 01 2011 23:19 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 23:15 Curu wrote:
On June 01 2011 23:07 fant0m wrote:
On June 01 2011 23:03 Fyzar wrote:
I agree as well, especially the second game wasn't that exciting.
I voted No on the poll ;> it's cool to see NesTea, but I didn't really think it was that awesome.



Exciting =/= Close. Not all the time.

Otherwise Revival vs. Ensnare would be considered one of the best games in GSL history.

Did you not see all of the insane shit that Nestea just pulled? Against one of the best Terrans in the world? In a matchup that many would consider most of what he did impossible to win with?

I mean seriously, when was the last time you saw someone have >100 workers AND mass Ultralisks (same thing as Carriers or *mass* Thor tbh) and win the game???


Yeah you're right, whenever a Zerg wins he did the impossible.

Ultralisks have 6 armour (fully upgraded) and are gigantic. This means Marines do 3 damage (fully upgraded) and Tanks don't splash on them. With Speedling support, Ultralisks are devastating against standard Marine/Tank until the Terran can start incorporating Marauders.

Stop acting like he went mass Corruptors and won or something.


To be fair, ultras is something we haven't seen on a winning ZvT in a long time... I dont think anyone could pull that off like Nestea did in the first game. Not saying no one can win with ultras, just not the mass expand massive dronage into ultra infestor while slowing terran down with 50 spine crawlers..



IIRC Idra did it in Code S January (?) on xel naga cavern
but it was when he so far ahead and just suicided mass ling/banes into the Terran army and instantly remax with 6-7 ultralisk

Put quote here for readability
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 03:44:02
June 02 2011 03:43 GMT
#4431
Bomber played super well in game 1. I was so shocked when he suddenly rolled into Nestea's nat with 6 vikings before the broodlords ever even started morphing. His timing was incredible, but it was kinda bleh that he decided to throw them away after that :|
He was extremely close to taking that game, but Nestea played a pretty incredible game as well, great all around.

Game 2 Bomber was also in a very good position until he got caught with his pants down by the mutas in his base. Even though Nestea won, it's very apparent that Bomber had the skill to take games off of him.
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Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
June 02 2011 03:59 GMT
#4432
Damn I really thought MVP and Bomber would advance to sad to see MVP and Bomber out both amazing terrans.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
June 02 2011 04:08 GMT
#4433
Wow, Nestea gonna win this again unless he faces MKP or MMA or etc.

This is quite shocking actually, MVP and MC already knocked out!

Just a bit earlier it was always MC MKP and Nestea we'd be excited about and dreamed of them playing each other in a finals... but now we have possibly even better players like Ganzy, MMA, Ryung, etc. :D
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Phantom_Sky
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong512 Posts
June 02 2011 06:03 GMT
#4434
Amazing matches !!

Slayers is IMBA

and omg, Nestea vs Bomber series was so good, at some point Nestea got 101 + Drones

and I dont see anyone mentioned here, but Bomber is hyped for a reason, his records outside of GSL is very good and currently Bomber/ Nesta is no 1/ 2 players in TLPD

consider ZvT is Nestea's weakest matchup already, and he played like God, dont think anyone left can stop him taking the crown

Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 08:13:01
June 02 2011 06:11 GMT
#4435
Every season has that one day that makes buying a ticket completely worth it and that was definitely today. Just finished watching the vods and it was awesome, could even be better games in the future of this tourney.

Also wish Tastosis was casting just to heard Artosis get nerd chills but wolftrap did good

And Ultras are a joke, they should be better
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
June 02 2011 06:19 GMT
#4436
Btw, Wolftrap were on their game yesterday.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
June 02 2011 06:45 GMT
#4437
On June 02 2011 12:19 Vorlik wrote:
He didn't play bad, but far from his best, while nestea was solid as usual.


Why does it always have to be that the losing player "didnt play their best"? I thought Bomber played great, but Nestea was just better.
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wickedsis
Profile Joined January 2011
44 Posts
June 02 2011 07:06 GMT
#4438
This was the best day I've seen of starcraft in months.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
June 02 2011 07:36 GMT
#4439
On June 02 2011 08:47 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 08:08 jellyjello wrote:
On June 02 2011 06:19 ShyRamen wrote:
I am really happy for NesTea.

Also, it makes me laugh thinking how so many people put Bomber in their top 3 as current top players and top terran (some even forgot MKP) in the GSL fan power rank... While he is definitely a GREAT player he still has to proof himself in being a stable code S player. I believe he has been hyped immensely by Tastosis and therefore there is a wrong opinion that he should placed higher than players like MKP and Nada. Also, the argument MVP > MKP so if Bomber > MVP THEN Bomber > MKP is totally non logical as a mirror matchup does not provide a good image for the whole player.

Yes I am a MKP fan and yes it bothers me seeing people putting him in front of Bomber while it is far from truth :D

By the way.. Amazing games today.



Bomber is pretty much the best terran right now in Korea. No question about it. MKP has a great early game micro, but until he learns the aspects of late game (macro, mind game, map control...etc) he will always be the one who's lacking just that "something" in his game to reach the top.

About the Nestea, I think you have to at least attempt to cheese him, or show him that you are going aggressive in the early game. (which is what Bomber did in second game) Nestea's metagame is just too good when you try something like when Bomber walled in with his two bases in the first game while getting his upgrades early (Thorzain build, so to speak). Nestea knew from the start that Bomber's timing push was not going to happen anytime soon, so he could drone up like crazy while spreading his creep almost half the map while keeping up with his own upgrades. Had Nestea thought he could get a timing push with roaches or Mutas or whatever combination against Bomber's strategy, it probably wouldn't have worked. Basically, Nestea countered Bomber's strategy perfectly. I bet when Bomber was preping for this game, he never saw anyone making 4-3 upgraded mass Ultras.

But why? Bomber coming into the GSL had incredible records, and some high placings in non-GSL tournaments.... but so does Polt (actually Polt has more non-GSL championships). And if you exclude GSL results, Polt has an incredible record just like Bomber's... see what I'm getting at here?

sC nearly beat NesTea, MVP did beat NesTea, Clide beat him, MKP almost beat him, Ensnare beat him. Bomber didn't. Not that all those players are better than Bomber, but you can't say Bomber is the number 1 Terran in Korea because he beat Mvp.... especially when that's about it when it comes to in-GSL results. The other competition in Code A wasn't equivalent to that of Code S.

Skyhigh beat Flash, because he's amazing at TvT; but there is no way he is close to the level that Flash is. And regarding the other MU's, Polt has better results than he does... including winning the Code S wildcard (which was pretty much a mini Code A tournament).

You just have to put Bomber in perspective of how he got to his insane record, and compare his results to that of other players.



Bomber was actually getting hyped up big time by GOMTV casters (the ones that are "in the loop") even before his official run in the Code A. Even when he was in the SC1 squad, he was one of the very promising prospects. The "best Terran" comment is purely my own opinion, but a lot of people in Korea seem to share that sentiment as well. Nontherless, he's definitely one of the top Terrans in Korea and he will only get better from here on.

Now, with that said, it's not an easy task to maintain the winning streak in the Korean scene because your game, once it's known, is constantly disected and analyzed by opposing teams (note that I said teams, not a single player). Nestea is in a very good form, but it's also because zergs are now starting to figure out new ways to play effectively, especially against early aggressions. This is similar to how Protoss was running wild in the GSL a few seasons ago.
Zombie_Velociraptor
Profile Joined May 2011
274 Posts
June 02 2011 07:57 GMT
#4440
Bomber played very well, esp second half of game one, but I don't get why did he just sit back for the first half of game one. I mean, he pretty much just let Nestea drone up to 100+ without doing anything at all about it, not even macroing very well himself? Really felt like he was being too indecisive (it showed a bit in game 2 as well) because of who was he playing against, or something.
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