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opaqueNZ
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia48 Posts
June 01 2011 21:57 GMT
#4401
Just caught up on the vods, NesTea. Jesus.

Reminds me of a BW vod I saw of... July I think it was? 12 base vs 2 and just went all sauron zerg.

I have great admiration for anyone who decides to kill some tanks with banelings :>
MrKnubi
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany38 Posts
June 01 2011 21:59 GMT
#4402
The whole point is that there are way to many people that just focus on the "old" starcraft players , the ones that were also had good results in the GSL Open's, there are just alot of new players out that which are pretty young and haven't won a championship yet, but there are definitely more players than alicia and mkp to beat nestea.

Nobody gives players like MMA, Nada or sC a chance?
I mean sC nearly beat him like last month in the best TvZ ever...
MKP FIGHTING
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
June 01 2011 22:04 GMT
#4403
On June 02 2011 06:59 MrKnubi wrote:
The whole point is that there are way to many people that just focus on the "old" starcraft players , the ones that were also had good results in the GSL Open's, there are just alot of new players out that which are pretty young and haven't won a championship yet, but there are definitely more players than alicia and mkp to beat nestea.

Nobody gives players like MMA, Nada or sC a chance?
I mean sC nearly beat him like last month in the best TvZ ever...

I do think sC has a decent chance at beating NesTea. (MMA and NaDa ... not so much.) And though I totally rooted for NesTea in the last semifinals, I think I'm going to start rooting against him this tournament. Haha, I don't really want a bonjwa for SC2; I think games are more exciting when you're not entirely sure of the outcome.
MrKnubi
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany38 Posts
June 01 2011 22:06 GMT
#4404
What about HuK bringing the total upset and winning the championship? :D

Still rooting for MKP this is his Title !
MKP FIGHTING
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 22:08:12
June 01 2011 22:06 GMT
#4405
On June 02 2011 06:59 MrKnubi wrote:
The whole point is that there are way to many people that just focus on the "old" starcraft players , the ones that were also had good results in the GSL Open's, there are just alot of new players out that which are pretty young and haven't won a championship yet, but there are definitely more players than alicia and mkp to beat nestea.

Nobody gives players like MMA, Nada or sC a chance?
I mean sC nearly beat him like last month in the best TvZ ever...


Well, Nestea has been the best player in the world since Open Season 2, even if he "only just" earned his second gold. Anyone can beat anyone else on any given day, but the only one to consistently take series off him in the past seven months has been MVP.
MrKnubi
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany38 Posts
June 01 2011 22:14 GMT
#4406
How can you say for sure that he is the best player in the world? MC season 3 and gsl may MVP gsl jan and Worldchampion tournament im sorry but you can't say he is the best player in the world since 7 months..
MKP FIGHTING
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 01 2011 22:28 GMT
#4407
WHY cant my games be as good at bomber vs nestea? T_T well I cant micro that much and multitask that fast. yet!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 01 2011 22:32 GMT
#4408
This seems to be the most approved day of GSL ever, nearly every game is recommended, and no games have negative opinions. Epic playday delivers.
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 01 2011 23:07 GMT
#4409
Damn, MVP, Bomber, and MC out. Nestea and MKP are the clear favorites now I'd say.
Chrysalis.145
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
June 01 2011 23:08 GMT
#4410
On June 02 2011 06:19 ShyRamen wrote:
I am really happy for NesTea.

Also, it makes me laugh thinking how so many people put Bomber in their top 3 as current top players and top terran (some even forgot MKP) in the GSL fan power rank... While he is definitely a GREAT player he still has to proof himself in being a stable code S player. I believe he has been hyped immensely by Tastosis and therefore there is a wrong opinion that he should placed higher than players like MKP and Nada. Also, the argument MVP > MKP so if Bomber > MVP THEN Bomber > MKP is totally non logical as a mirror matchup does not provide a good image for the whole player.

Yes I am a MKP fan and yes it bothers me seeing people putting him in front of Bomber while it is far from truth :D

By the way.. Amazing games today.



Bomber is pretty much the best terran right now in Korea. No question about it. MKP has a great early game micro, but until he learns the aspects of late game (macro, mind game, map control...etc) he will always be the one who's lacking just that "something" in his game to reach the top.

About the Nestea, I think you have to at least attempt to cheese him, or show him that you are going aggressive in the early game. (which is what Bomber did in second game) Nestea's metagame is just too good when you try something like when Bomber walled in with his two bases in the first game while getting his upgrades early (Thorzain build, so to speak). Nestea knew from the start that Bomber's timing push was not going to happen anytime soon, so he could drone up like crazy while spreading his creep almost half the map while keeping up with his own upgrades. Had Nestea thought he could get a timing push with roaches or Mutas or whatever combination against Bomber's strategy, it probably wouldn't have worked. Basically, Nestea countered Bomber's strategy perfectly. I bet when Bomber was preping for this game, he never saw anyone making 4-3 upgraded mass Ultras.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 01 2011 23:16 GMT
#4411
On June 02 2011 07:06 DonaldLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 06:59 MrKnubi wrote:
The whole point is that there are way to many people that just focus on the "old" starcraft players , the ones that were also had good results in the GSL Open's, there are just alot of new players out that which are pretty young and haven't won a championship yet, but there are definitely more players than alicia and mkp to beat nestea.

Nobody gives players like MMA, Nada or sC a chance?
I mean sC nearly beat him like last month in the best TvZ ever...


Well, Nestea has been the best player in the world since Open Season 2, even if he "only just" earned his second gold. Anyone can beat anyone else on any given day, but the only one to consistently take series off him in the past seven months has been MVP.

that's because no one else played him more than like once in a GSL series

he got knocked out pretty early a few times, failed in WC too. Using hindsight bias relating to the most recent wins to defend that he has been the best for the past 7 months when he failed to get through the first round like 3 times in a row is idiotic
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
June 01 2011 23:16 GMT
#4412
NesTea's strength lies in just how well he can read his opponents and respond.

So, basically, you "just" have to make sure he can't read you at all. Either that, or you can cheese him. Or you can try to take advantage of those times he tries to pull out cute strategies or builds (Cezanne punished him for this in Game 2 of his series vs. NesTea). Easier said than done, of course.
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
June 01 2011 23:20 GMT
#4413
did nestea and MC ever play each other on tv?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 23:22:09
June 01 2011 23:21 GMT
#4414
On June 02 2011 08:08 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 06:19 ShyRamen wrote:
I am really happy for NesTea.

Also, it makes me laugh thinking how so many people put Bomber in their top 3 as current top players and top terran (some even forgot MKP) in the GSL fan power rank... While he is definitely a GREAT player he still has to proof himself in being a stable code S player. I believe he has been hyped immensely by Tastosis and therefore there is a wrong opinion that he should placed higher than players like MKP and Nada. Also, the argument MVP > MKP so if Bomber > MVP THEN Bomber > MKP is totally non logical as a mirror matchup does not provide a good image for the whole player.

Yes I am a MKP fan and yes it bothers me seeing people putting him in front of Bomber while it is far from truth :D

By the way.. Amazing games today.



Bomber is pretty much the best terran right now in Korea. No question about it. MKP has a great early game micro, but until he learns the aspects of late game (macro, mind game, map control...etc) he will always be the one who's lacking just that "something" in his game to reach the top.

About the Nestea, I think you have to at least attempt to cheese him, or show him that you are going aggressive in the early game. (which is what Bomber did in second game) Nestea's metagame is just too good when you try something like when Bomber walled in with his two bases in the first game while getting his upgrades early (Thorzain build, so to speak). Nestea knew from the start that Bomber's timing push was not going to happen anytime soon, so he could drone up like crazy while spreading his creep almost half the map while keeping up with his own upgrades. Had Nestea thought he could get a timing push with roaches or Mutas or whatever combination against Bomber's strategy, it probably wouldn't have worked. Basically, Nestea countered Bomber's strategy perfectly. I bet when Bomber was preping for this game, he never saw anyone making 4-3 upgraded mass Ultras.


To be honest I haven't been very impressed with Bomber's play. He's a bit too passive I think. Doesn't harass much, and usually ends up engaging in 1 huge battle. Can't just sit back and max out against zerg, they have too much map control and expansion abilities. I'm much more inclined to sC's style when it comes to TvZ
The Notorious Winkles
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
June 01 2011 23:22 GMT
#4415
On June 02 2011 08:07 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Damn, MVP, Bomber, and MC out. Nestea and MKP are the clear favorites now I'd say.

I dunno man, MKP has seemed very snipable and their are a lot of capable PvT snipers still in the brackets. Not too mention his TvT has been comfortably meh and theirs a few tvt pros left too.

Nestea on the other hand will probably win, or at least make it to the finals safely. Not many players with stellar vZ left on his side of the bracket.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Itzeddiieee
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)787 Posts
June 01 2011 23:27 GMT
#4416
Why is nestea so damn good!
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
June 01 2011 23:32 GMT
#4417
On June 02 2011 06:18 shire wrote:
Slayers vs Big 3.

only one remaining is Nestea. will Slayers be able to take out Zerg king? Or will Nestea take out of all the remaining Slayers. will be interesting to take out.


Unfortunately, the SlayerS will all take each other out before they hit Nestea, they're on opposite sides of the bracket (except Alicia). I would say Ganzi has the best shot at him with that amazing TvZ, but it would take a miracle for him to get passed both MMA and Ryung, not to mention whoever it is in the semis. Nestea is really in a great spot in the bracket now.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
June 01 2011 23:37 GMT
#4418
On June 02 2011 08:22 Oreo7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 08:07 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Damn, MVP, Bomber, and MC out. Nestea and MKP are the clear favorites now I'd say.

I dunno man, MKP has seemed very snipable and their are a lot of capable PvT snipers still in the brackets. Not too mention his TvT has been comfortably meh and theirs a few tvt pros left too.

Nestea on the other hand will probably win, or at least make it to the finals safely. Not many players with stellar vZ left on his side of the bracket.


He has seemed snipable in bo1's which don't matter shit. The last major tournament that mattered(I don't count the awful groupformat GSL uses in the last few seasons) he went to the finals.. because shockingly he didn't get eliminated by bo1's.

He should be a favourite, the only one who might be better than him in this tournament is Nestea and I'm sure they could go toe to toe in the finals.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 01 2011 23:41 GMT
#4419
On June 02 2011 08:16 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 07:06 DonaldLee wrote:
On June 02 2011 06:59 MrKnubi wrote:
The whole point is that there are way to many people that just focus on the "old" starcraft players , the ones that were also had good results in the GSL Open's, there are just alot of new players out that which are pretty young and haven't won a championship yet, but there are definitely more players than alicia and mkp to beat nestea.

Nobody gives players like MMA, Nada or sC a chance?
I mean sC nearly beat him like last month in the best TvZ ever...


Well, Nestea has been the best player in the world since Open Season 2, even if he "only just" earned his second gold. Anyone can beat anyone else on any given day, but the only one to consistently take series off him in the past seven months has been MVP.

that's because no one else played him more than like once in a GSL series

he got knocked out pretty early a few times, failed in WC too. Using hindsight bias relating to the most recent wins to defend that he has been the best for the past 7 months when he failed to get through the first round like 3 times in a row is idiotic


Between Open Season 2 and his May code S win, he got into top 8 Open Season (lost in close game to TSL Rain lol), top 4 January, which is pretty damn good. Sure, he didn't do so well in March and WC, but some people argue against the validity of WC as a true GSL 'series," and he also won May. For a tournament series that is just now approaching its one year anniversary, Nestea is up there with MKP as one of the most consistently achieving players, while MC and MVP seem to be slumping lately in what used to be their best match-ups.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 23:48:10
June 01 2011 23:47 GMT
#4420
On June 02 2011 08:08 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 06:19 ShyRamen wrote:
I am really happy for NesTea.

Also, it makes me laugh thinking how so many people put Bomber in their top 3 as current top players and top terran (some even forgot MKP) in the GSL fan power rank... While he is definitely a GREAT player he still has to proof himself in being a stable code S player. I believe he has been hyped immensely by Tastosis and therefore there is a wrong opinion that he should placed higher than players like MKP and Nada. Also, the argument MVP > MKP so if Bomber > MVP THEN Bomber > MKP is totally non logical as a mirror matchup does not provide a good image for the whole player.

Yes I am a MKP fan and yes it bothers me seeing people putting him in front of Bomber while it is far from truth :D

By the way.. Amazing games today.



Bomber is pretty much the best terran right now in Korea. No question about it. MKP has a great early game micro, but until he learns the aspects of late game (macro, mind game, map control...etc) he will always be the one who's lacking just that "something" in his game to reach the top.

About the Nestea, I think you have to at least attempt to cheese him, or show him that you are going aggressive in the early game. (which is what Bomber did in second game) Nestea's metagame is just too good when you try something like when Bomber walled in with his two bases in the first game while getting his upgrades early (Thorzain build, so to speak). Nestea knew from the start that Bomber's timing push was not going to happen anytime soon, so he could drone up like crazy while spreading his creep almost half the map while keeping up with his own upgrades. Had Nestea thought he could get a timing push with roaches or Mutas or whatever combination against Bomber's strategy, it probably wouldn't have worked. Basically, Nestea countered Bomber's strategy perfectly. I bet when Bomber was preping for this game, he never saw anyone making 4-3 upgraded mass Ultras.

But why? Bomber coming into the GSL had incredible records, and some high placings in non-GSL tournaments.... but so does Polt (actually Polt has more non-GSL championships). And if you exclude GSL results, Polt has an incredible record just like Bomber's... see what I'm getting at here?

sC nearly beat NesTea, MVP did beat NesTea, Clide beat him, MKP almost beat him, Ensnare beat him. Bomber didn't. Not that all those players are better than Bomber, but you can't say Bomber is the number 1 Terran in Korea because he beat Mvp.... especially when that's about it when it comes to in-GSL results. The other competition in Code A wasn't equivalent to that of Code S.

Skyhigh beat Flash, because he's amazing at TvT; but there is no way he is close to the level that Flash is. And regarding the other MU's, Polt has better results than he does... including winning the Code S wildcard (which was pretty much a mini Code A tournament).

You just have to put Bomber in perspective of how he got to his insane record, and compare his results to that of other players.
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