EPT$10,000 Tactic3D Finals Thread - Page 38
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Do you guys have no common sense? Don't post results for matches that haven't happened yet, even under spoiler tags. | ||
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sOAvoid
Canada206 Posts
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Fiercegore
United States294 Posts
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Kammalleri
Canada613 Posts
Every time a protoss or a terran beats a zerg it's always about all ins, abusing the race or having imbalanced army composition. Every time a Zerg wins it's always about sick macro, great mechanics, insane army control, etc... Isn't the game build this way tho? Is there any way as a protoss to outmacro zergs? Is it any kind of beneficial as a protoss to flank? Pretty much every good harass units as protoss are somhow considered gimmicky by a lot of people r they are the type of units that you need to do a lot of damage or you\re so far behind that it doesn\t even metter according to some people. Just my own experience, I was about to get in master as protoss in the last season, but I basically stopped playing a month before the season ended and started a month afer the season 2 started, played so terribly in the little bit that i played late in season 1 that i got placed in platinum. Even there I struggle to win a consistent basis cause my mechanics are absolutely awful. Yet I off raced in 2v2 with a friend as a zerg for about a day, today I go on the ladder 1v1 forget to change race and I beat a Diamond terran. I have no sense of timing whatsoever as zerg, i had no build order whatsoever, i dont even know how to control zerg units yet i won pretty easily. No offense, but 5 v click v click for injects and 4sdddddd for insane economy isn't that hard.. I had sooo much "better macro" as zerg playing my first 1v1 game ever then as protoss playing since the release. It's just how the race is. With the results lately it's stupid to talk about Zerg being under powered, every races have ways to win games. There's no race that you can just be awful at the game and win best of series on a consistent basis. The best player doesn't always win in a Best of series even in a best 7, but the player who's best prepared really puts odds on his side and if IdrA went into this series thinking I'm 7 times better than dde, he totally deserves to lose. Idra is an exciting player to watch because of how skilled he is, but he can't go into every series thinking his skills alone will guarantee him wins. It doesn't work in Sports, it won't work in Sc2 either. | ||
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KMARTRULES
Australia474 Posts
On May 30 2011 11:46 Mailing wrote: Yes, bro, it is. IdrA wins 90% of his TvZ due to mutalisk harass. This made me lol. Where is the basis on this? have you watched a large enough sample size of his games? How many games are actually ever won by mutalisk harass by any player in any matchup? like 1/1000? less? ??? -_- ??? | ||
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-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Cuba292 Posts
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Cuba292 Posts
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
There was a few differences in how he won. He went marauder hellion, which means his marine count is low therefore he needed some thors to bolster himself. He knows he's delayed the 3rd, so he's comfortable on defending on 2 base, which most terran are with or without thors so he can be immobile. Then he pushes out in what I feel is suicide (no tanks), if IdrA had waited just a bit longer for baneling speed he'd of cleaned it up insanely well as magic boxed mutas easily overwhelm thors. IdrA was up on bases, could've busted the third with no real consequence and honestly would've won the game imo. Terminus was well played by dde, used the relatively narrow passage way, with IdrA not sending half of his lings outside to flank. Metal 9/10 zerg can't win close pos so that's more of a map pool error (not using MLG). The 1-1 I didn't see though. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
bad luck idra. im not going to complain on DDE's play. he played to win. but real real real bad form by the tournement to use ladder meta. that was just a shitstorm waiting to happen. and it did. | ||
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dde
Canada796 Posts
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
People on the internet are unnaturally critical of everything. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. Well, you certainly didn't play to lose! Good man, dde, totally deserved victory. Congrats for that huge win! Should be by far your biggest money pickup yet, right? | ||
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dde
Canada796 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:09 Bobster wrote: Well, you certainly didn't play to lose! Good man, dde, totally deserved victory. Congrats for that huge win! Should be by far your biggest money pickup yet, right? ya biggest win so far | ||
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Pingoo
France48 Posts
PS: We need more europeans in such a tourney, hope you'll invite some in the next one^^ | ||
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Kammalleri
Canada613 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days? Since you're facing idra. Beating Idra = all in. Vs Idra every attacks you have to damage or you're so far behind and if you actually do damage it means you were all in because you had to do damage or you would have been so far behind. If that actually makes sense, I'm still trying to figure it out myself. | ||
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Tyrr
United States216 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days? according to gretorp and mr. bitter anything that is less than 5 bases is considered all in. didn't you watch NASL tonight? gah. =P edit: congrats, you played brilliantly tonight.  | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days? U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well. Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses. Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days? IdrA's army of slaves will do anything to discredit a win. Congrats on a great tournament win beating a strong opponent!! | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:22 SuperStyle wrote: U did play to win and you should be proud of it, this game just like any other game or sport is ment to be played in order to win by any means necessary, its not for little bitches(pardon my french) that just cry about it when they lose complaining about the way they lost. Pro gaming is your job, if ur not playing to win than your not doing it well. Imagine Rafael Nadal playing only to please the crowd, he wouldnt be first, he wouldnt win any Grand Slam and neither would he have such a fan base. Hes playing for himself, he plays to win and doesnt care how he wins as long as he does. True tennis fans will cheer for him because of that and not because he is playing to please the crowd or because he whines when he loses. Than again this is the internet, and i dont think its ready for StarCraft to become a sport. Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago. Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well. | ||
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89andy
Canada192 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:04 dde wrote: well yes close pos on metal favours terran a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. But i was doing pressure with 2 raxmarines and 1 scv and i was expanding behind it. stream just didnt pick that up, I dont understand why you guys are saying I played to win. and since when 2~4 bases of terran considered all in now days? That's what all the pro koreans did... they expanded behind a close POS meta. That's the reason it was OP'ed, the fact that you can 2 rax ... potentially CRIPPLE the zerg economy because he has to defend perfectly which is freakin hard, OR they fend it off perfectly but terran has already expanded and the next push is going to come soon and the zerg will not have the appropriate amount of units to defend the next push. | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On May 30 2011 16:29 Mailing wrote: Please don't spout crap like this. Playing to win can't be used to justify playing on maps every sane person deemed imbalanced and removed months ago. Again, this is not dde's fault AT ALL, but don't call the person who loses in that circumstance and gets mad a bitch, Idra or not. I can guarenfuckentee that ret or morrow would be mad as well. So Idra lost all 4 games on same map in same close positions? Because he raged and bmed after every loss, not just that one. | ||
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