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Do you guys have no common sense? Don't post results for matches that haven't happened yet, even under spoiler tags.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
May 30 2011 02:43 GMT
#721
On May 30 2011 11:34 89andy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:26 walklightwhat wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:19 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:17 DrOmni wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
What was the excuse in game 4?


Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.

Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.

People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.


Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.

He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.


He's always respected kiwi actually.


Pretty sure I heard him say himself or some other zerg was 3x better than kiwi when he was commentating NASL.

Anyone verify?
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 02:46:25
May 30 2011 02:44 GMT
#722
On May 30 2011 11:42 Mailing wrote:
dde -> sees 5 muta -> starts thors -> cannot be harassed much

Every other terran -> sees 30 mutalisks -> starts armory -> loses 1/2 of base before they are safe


Like that



The main problem is, he read Idra's build perfectly because in the interview he said Idra is a person who likes to mass mutas+few banelings+lings.

Against zerg who goes less mutas and more focused on banelings. This start would not work as when banelings get into a high numbers micro alone won't do the trick since you really need to get to that 6-8 tank count and Thor slows down your tank production too much nd lets zerg take too many bases. DDE just countered Idra's style and won that.
NightAngel
Profile Joined June 2010
United States144 Posts
May 30 2011 02:44 GMT
#723
On May 30 2011 11:43 Rarak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:34 89andy wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:26 walklightwhat wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:19 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:17 DrOmni wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:13 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
What was the excuse in game 4?


Are you done? Seriously dude, I do not get why you are saying anything. You are trying to bash idra constantly for something that doesn't even involve you. You are just as bad as the freaking idra slaves right now.

Not done. IdrA treats all his opponents like shit. He should learn to respect people for playing better than him. IdrA is amazing, probably the best player outside of korea. One of the best in the world, but he's a crybaby, and makes himself look so immature.

People who condone the behavior he demonstrates kinda makes people think its ok, but it isn't.


Everyone condones it in someway, it seems. They tune in to watch it, they keep inviting him to tournaments, EG and others cheerfully benefit from his notoriety.

He wouldn't do it, if he couldn't benefit it from. Which is the bigger problem than a whiner and quitter who can't seem to handle the fact that working hard at BW, but not at SC2, doesn't give him an innate right to being a great SC2 player. The lack of respect for the hard work of people like dde, kiwi and other top foreign players is disgusting.


He's always respected kiwi actually.


Pretty sure I heard him say himself or some other zerg was 3x better than kiwi when he was commentating NASL.

Anyone verify?


I hear saying one player is better than another player is being disrespectful to the other player. Couldn't be a legitimate point, no way.
[QUOTE][B]On August 05 2011 05:06 Beerdrinker wrote:[/B] TSL needs to be more sensitive about doing business in korea, they need to be respectful of the culture, their contracts and verbal obligations[/QUOTE]
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 30 2011 02:44 GMT
#724
Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 30 2011 02:44 GMT
#725
On May 30 2011 11:42 Mailing wrote:
dde -> sees 5 muta -> starts thors -> cannot be harassed much

Every other terran -> sees 30 mutalisks -> starts armory -> loses 1/2 of base before they are safe


Like that


Yeah thats why dde won...
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 30 2011 02:46 GMT
#726
On May 30 2011 11:44 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:42 Mailing wrote:
dde -> sees 5 muta -> starts thors -> cannot be harassed much

Every other terran -> sees 30 mutalisks -> starts armory -> loses 1/2 of base before they are safe


Like that


Yeah thats why dde won...



Yes, bro, it is.

IdrA wins 90% of his TvZ due to mutalisk harass.
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 30 2011 02:47 GMT
#727
Nice job dde! He's quite a solid player, very underrated too.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 30 2011 02:48 GMT
#728
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote:
Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.


Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss.
Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 02:49:50
May 30 2011 02:49 GMT
#729
On May 30 2011 11:20 AutomatonOmega wrote:
Tourney organizers failing to use the MLG version of Meta is bad form.

Methinks they did it on purpose to disfavor Idra.



Nope, the actual reason is even more illogical than that

On May 27 2011 02:02 JoshSuth wrote:
Part of the reason is that we had a 1,024 man open amateur tournament and we wanted consistency. MLG has published several versions of their own Metalopolis. Also, I would wager that the majority of our amateurs had never played on the MLG versions anyway.



I made some angry posts in the Sponsored version of the thread about it before the tournament started but to no avail. To be frank it's almost actually depressing to see games which validate my argument. Hopefully Complexity will actually review their rules / map pool with a more discerning eye next time.

Nonetheless Congratulations DDE!
| QuanticGaming.com | There is no greater feeling then to find order in the chaos, as you slip the puzzle pieces in place.
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
May 30 2011 02:49 GMT
#730
Thank you very much to everyone who watched the event over the past month. Sorry for some hiccups, we did our best.

Special thanks to the casters AskJoshy, JP McDaniel & DJWheat. Also a shoutout to CEVO for administering the event.

Of course, huge thanks to SoundBlaster, Fry's Electronics, PNY, Origin and QPad USA.

Props to all the amateurs who battled in the 1024 man open. You're the backbone of gaming.

Thanks again!
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
May 30 2011 02:51 GMT
#731
On May 30 2011 11:48 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote:
Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.


Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss.
Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.


Wrong. He did say he was afraid of Kiwi before because he was a protoss, but he has also stated before that he respected Kiwi. Not as much recently though, apparently.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
May 30 2011 02:59 GMT
#732
What's the prize for second place?
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 30 2011 03:04 GMT
#733
On May 30 2011 11:25 bwally wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:24 schmutttt wrote:
I love IdrA and am a big fan, but until tournament organisers actually outline 'no bm' in games as a rule and ENFORCE it, IdrA will continue to do so (Notice how he never BMd in GSL?).


Was for other reasons.

1. Playing koreans
2. "Offline" tournament


Koreans play "abusively" and cheese play too

It would be weird someone not 'gg'ing in Korea when the Korean casters love shouting the GG part at the end.
you live and you learn
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 30 2011 03:11 GMT
#734
On May 30 2011 11:59 Psyclon wrote:
What's the prize for second place?


1 - 2k
2 -1k

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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
May 30 2011 03:37 GMT
#735
On May 30 2011 11:51 89andy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 11:48 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 30 2011 11:44 motbob wrote:
Idra was very respectful of KiWi around the time of MLG DC, but his respect seems to have fallen off a bit since then.


Idra never respected Kiwi or ant other root member, he just said that he was afraid of Kiwi because he is protoss.
Only player Idra respects is Ret, he even looks at Ret as his equal.


Wrong. He did say he was afraid of Kiwi before because he was a protoss, but he has also stated before that he respected Kiwi. Not as much recently though, apparently.


I think he spoke in favour of the whole root team in ITG on the last episode. Or maybe it was during the EGMC
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
May 30 2011 03:37 GMT
#736
As far as IdrA's respect goes...(and it doesn't really matter lol)

It was on State of the Game where IdrA said that he is 3x better than KiWi after the IPL finals. I think he respects players in general who are legitimately good, I know for a fact he sees Sen highly. Perhaps similar with Ret, they had a big rivalry back in the BW days though.
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
May 30 2011 03:47 GMT
#737
IdrA respects players who were amongst the best at BW, every players that are not he sees them as having terrible mechanics and only knowing 1 or 2 base all ins or abusing their race to win against zerg.

It's sad, but Incontrol said lately, it starts with im 3 times better than him, it goes sometimes he cheeses and wins and then when he doesnt talk about them anymore it means he respects their skills. And he said that's why he doesn't about about kiwi anymore.

Seriously it's tough to say Kiwi sucks. He's really not an all inner, he has solid macro, his late game is scary, he knows how to apply pressure, his micro might be the best or close to outside of korea.

That said IdrA will have to accept that some players are really working hard on getting better at Sc2 that weren't necesserly great BW players or even any good at the game. He might have practiced 10 hours a day for three years playing BW, but SC2 is a new game and other people have improved their mechanics to a point where they are really good at it too and hav crazy good understanding of the game too.
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 04:13:37
May 30 2011 04:12 GMT
#738
oh damn I wish I watched this...

That being said, dde is a fan of idra so he's probably jumping for joy right now. Grats :D
@ostojiy
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
May 30 2011 04:22 GMT
#739
On May 30 2011 11:33 schmutttt wrote:
dde played well, I hope IdrA on sotg doesn't make excuses because aside from the metalopolis game (2 rax is retardedly easy to execute and a lot harder to hold, especially on close positions) dde just outplayed him.

Dunno how can you say that.
I don't know... but when i see the way ppl are beating players like Idra/Ret/Nestea,,,it basiclly HAS to be something .... can't say OP straight away, but unorthodox/abusive.
Dunno what could he have done in a game on shakuras...unless he didn't go mutas in the first place, how can you stop sieged tanks (on clifs), protected by marines/thors/turrets/bunkers...Map, not DDE.
3ed game : He had no way of knowing what was going on. And when the timing push came, its a gg. Broken scouting in the game.
Don't feel the need to commentate on metal game....
Only game i would feel DDE (and not map) won is maybe last game on Xel'naga.

We all saw what happens on Tal'darim in a straight up game(which also can be abused by Terran and cliffs easily).

That being said, gz DDE.
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 30 2011 04:29 GMT
#740
Well played DDE, amazing performance in the finals.
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