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On December 10 2011 15:36 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:33 babylon wrote:On December 10 2011 15:30 Azarkon wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 svi wrote:On December 10 2011 15:27 jimmydu444 wrote:
Starcraft 2 will explode in China if Watermellon wins WCG. yeah, like when sky won WCG wc3 out of no where back in 2005ish (year might be off). would be cool to see. Not sure about that - WC 3 eSports became popular because of Sky, perhaps, but IIRC WC 3 was mainly pirated in China and that's how it reached a large audience there. SC 2... Uh, probably won't see that happen. Also, to be fair, Sky is ... pretty charismatic and uber-charming. He has so many fans it is scary. (He has over a million followers on a Chinese version of Twitter, and that's just on their Twitter copy.) XiGua ... not so much. Sky is a superstar,, IC. Plus he's marketable with an attractive face. I still wish he goes into SC2 next year, that is if WC3 is going the way of the dinosaur. Some people disagree with that feeling
Sky has a story nerds can relate to, kind of like Boxer if I'm not wrong - a humble background, hiding from his parents to play games, believing in eSports when no one else did, coming out of nowhere - literally nowhere - to win two WCGs in a row and changing the way Human is played in WC 3. It's the classic rags to riches story.
XiGua doesn't have anything like that. But, at least he's shown, this WCG, that Chinese SC 2 players aren't bad.
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On December 10 2011 15:39 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not really, I don't know how XiGua PvT is but TvP is MVP's weakest MU by far.
too bad XiGua is Zerg.
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On December 10 2011 15:35 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:32 setzer wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 chatuka wrote:On December 10 2011 15:27 jimmydu444 wrote:
Starcraft 2 will explode in China if Watermellon wins WCG. If Sc2 explodes in China, that will be the end of Korean domination... I really hope the Chinese get serious about Sc2 instead of LoL or Dota.. Honestly i just don't get those games... I like games with humans vs Insectoid race vs Advanced technological race. What makes you think China would end Korea's dominance in SC2 when the rest of the world combined can't? He definitely was thinking Sky & Co. heisting Korean domination in WC3 days. Though Grubby was bonjwa in that game, Koreans, by and large, were the dominant force prior to Sky's surprise WCG win.
Korea still never took WC3 seriously, at least not like BW. The situation was made even worse with the map incident. I really don't see how China will "suddenly" overtake Korea in dominance when all the potential talent isn't even playing SC2 and Korea has hundreds of professionals in both BW/SC2.
If China ever dominates it would not just be because the game blew up there but because the game died in Korea.
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On December 10 2011 15:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:36 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:34 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 ZeromuS wrote:On December 10 2011 15:31 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:28 HQuality wrote:[quote] What?  he even said in view yesterday "i hope i will get koreans in playoffs because i feel good about pvt" Toss should always feel good about PvT indeed... i can't even think of any 'good' tvpers among the most elite terrans that doesn't play gimmicky jjakji weird timings and comps that punish powering toss... which terran wins in a straight macro game maybe puma from nasl in the very last game... You know we protoss were saying the exact same thing about PvZ a month or two ago. Just sayin' You toss have a HerO for PvZ though, literally :D but i guess we have Puma, and maybe jjakji. Hero has never beaten a really good ZvP player. oh really now. that's a pretty ignorant statement it's not it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Zbask in your ignorance. Foreigners cannot compete with koreans when it comes to ZvP. Sorry
Nice BS comeback.
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On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:36 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:34 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 ZeromuS wrote:On December 10 2011 15:31 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:28 HQuality wrote:On December 10 2011 15:27 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Titan 2-0 Supernova
Whhaaat?! What? he even said in view yesterday "i hope i will get koreans in playoffs because i feel good about pvt" Toss should always feel good about PvT indeed... i can't even think of any 'good' tvpers among the most elite terrans that doesn't play gimmicky jjakji weird timings and comps that punish powering toss... which terran wins in a straight macro game maybe puma from nasl in the very last game... You know we protoss were saying the exact same thing about PvZ a month or two ago. Just sayin' You toss have a HerO for PvZ though, literally :D but i guess we have Puma, and maybe jjakji. Hero has never beaten a really good ZvP player. oh really now. that's a pretty ignorant statement it's not it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Zbask in your ignorance.
Nobody there is known for great ZvP. He even lost to Losira recently. Who exactly do you herald as the amazing ZvP Hero has beat?
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On December 10 2011 15:35 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:32 setzer wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 chatuka wrote:On December 10 2011 15:27 jimmydu444 wrote:
Starcraft 2 will explode in China if Watermellon wins WCG. If Sc2 explodes in China, that will be the end of Korean domination... I really hope the Chinese get serious about Sc2 instead of LoL or Dota.. Honestly i just don't get those games... I like games with humans vs Insectoid race vs Advanced technological race. What makes you think China would end Korea's dominance in SC2 when the rest of the world combined can't? He definitely was thinking Sky & Co. heisting Korean domination in WC3 days. Though Grubby was bonjwa in that game, Koreans, by and large, were the dominant force prior to Sky's surprise WCG win.
i don't know a billion and 400 million chinese people would be pretty formidable competition for 50 million Koreans.
As well you know that SC is a national sport in Korea, where it is one of the sports that almost everybody wants to be good at in Korea.
I don't think Westerners view StarCraft or Esports the Same way the Koreans or even the Chinese do.. Slowly, the powers that be are making Esports bigger and bigger for the Western Audience. The agenda to push digital entertainment is a must be.. It's cheap to market compared to outdoor sports, and the future business model looks great if young people play SC2 Instead of baseball.
That is why there are no Western Lee Young Ho's as of this moment. All the real talent goes to other occupations and entertainment industries. Where Sports, Hollywood, and BUsiness arena are bigger prizes and more ambititious to achieve than A computer game.
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The guy is talking about really good Korean Zergs. -.-;;
By that token you can apply the same shit to PuMa.
When it comes to GSL anyway x-x
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On December 10 2011 15:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not necessarily.
XiGua regularly gets stomped by Lyn in the G-League.
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On December 10 2011 15:40 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:39 dmnum wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not really, I don't know how XiGua PvT is but TvP is MVP's weakest MU by far. too bad XiGua is Zerg.
Oh fuck yes, I'm sorry haha. I guess I'm too used to chinese players being protoss. 
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sc2 might not get big in china in a broad sense, but the competitive scene might get larger there
the only people that can become sc2 pros in china are people who probably have a well-off family (not "rich" i guess but "rich" compared to the average chinese family) and he can practice at home all day without needing to work because his family takes care of him
in that scenario, many pros could arise who wanted to take it seriously and they wouldnt care about the monetary price of sc2 if they were competitive spirited enough
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On December 10 2011 15:36 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:35 hmsrenown wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 setzer wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 chatuka wrote:On December 10 2011 15:27 jimmydu444 wrote:
Starcraft 2 will explode in China if Watermellon wins WCG. If Sc2 explodes in China, that will be the end of Korean domination... I really hope the Chinese get serious about Sc2 instead of LoL or Dota.. Honestly i just don't get those games... I like games with humans vs Insectoid race vs Advanced technological race. What makes you think China would end Korea's dominance in SC2 when the rest of the world combined can't? He definitely was thinking Sky & Co. heisting Korean domination in WC3 days. Though Grubby was bonjwa in that game, Koreans, by and large, were the dominant force prior to Sky's surprise WCG win. Don't apply the word bonjwa to War3, please, it hurts my soul. EDIT: It hurts my soul as a War3 fan.
Sorry I was just trying to find a word to describe his accomplishments.
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On December 10 2011 15:39 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not really, I don't know how XiGua PvT is but TvP is MVP's weakest MU by far.
wtf
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On December 10 2011 15:40 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:36 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:34 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 ZeromuS wrote:On December 10 2011 15:31 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 15:29 andaylin wrote:[quote] Toss should always feel good about PvT indeed... i can't even think of any 'good' tvpers among the most elite terrans that doesn't play gimmicky jjakji weird timings and comps that punish powering toss... which terran wins in a straight macro game maybe puma from nasl in the very last game... You know we protoss were saying the exact same thing about PvZ a month or two ago. Just sayin' You toss have a HerO for PvZ though, literally :D but i guess we have Puma, and maybe jjakji. Hero has never beaten a really good ZvP player. oh really now. that's a pretty ignorant statement it's not it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Zbask in your ignorance. Foreigners cannot compete with koreans when it comes to ZvP. Sorry Nice BS comeback.
it's not BS. BS is stating that Sen, Ret, and Sheth are on the same level as Curious, Nestea, Losira, DRG, Coca. All of whom have 70% winrates in that MU or better
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If Xigua wins then Koreans will come out full force and maybe China will use this victory to develop their scene and we can finally have 2 decent countries
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On December 10 2011 15:41 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:39 StarStruck wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not necessarily. XiGua regularly gets stomped by Lyn in the G-League.
Good thing this isn't G-League.
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On December 10 2011 15:41 roymarthyup wrote:
sc2 might not get big in china in a broad sense, but the competitive scene might get larger there
the only people that can become sc2 pros in china are people who probably have a well-off family (not "rich" i guess but "rich" compared to the average chinese family) and he can practice at home all day without needing to work because his family takes care of him
in that scenario, many pros could arise who wanted to take it seriously and they wouldnt care about the monetary price of sc2 if they were competitive spirited enough
That's untrue. I worked in Fudan University as research assistant and I could not describe the shock to see how many competitive DotA players were there in my lab
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On December 10 2011 15:41 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:39 dmnum wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:37 StarStruck wrote:
Hopefully kas/XiGua can beat MVP.
What fun that would be! MVP kind of won when Titan lost to XiGua. Not really, I don't know how XiGua PvT is but TvP is MVP's weakest MU by far. wtf
Ha. I was thinking the same thing. XiGua has looked good, but I think MVP will take it.
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On December 10 2011 15:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:40 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:36 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:34 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 ZeromuS wrote:On December 10 2011 15:31 Lavi wrote:
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indeed... i can't even think of any 'good' tvpers among the most elite terrans that doesn't play gimmicky
jjakji weird timings and comps that punish powering toss...
which terran wins in a straight macro game maybe puma from nasl in the very last game...
You know we protoss were saying the exact same thing about PvZ a month or two ago. Just sayin' You toss have a HerO for PvZ though, literally :D but i guess we have Puma, and maybe jjakji. Hero has never beaten a really good ZvP player. oh really now. that's a pretty ignorant statement it's not it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Zbask in your ignorance. Foreigners cannot compete with koreans when it comes to ZvP. Sorry Nice BS comeback. it's not BS. BS is stating that Sen, Ret, and Sheth are on the same level as Curious, Nestea, Losira, DRG, Coca. All of whom have 70% winrates in that MU or better
Well he did beat DRG, but DRG isn't too good on ZvP. Or did he? I might be confusing hero with JYP or sth.
So no, hero really hasn't beat any powerhouse ZvP player
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On December 10 2011 15:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 15:40 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:36 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 15:34 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 15:32 ZeromuS wrote:On December 10 2011 15:31 Lavi wrote:
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indeed... i can't even think of any 'good' tvpers among the most elite terrans that doesn't play gimmicky
jjakji weird timings and comps that punish powering toss...
which terran wins in a straight macro game maybe puma from nasl in the very last game...
You know we protoss were saying the exact same thing about PvZ a month or two ago. Just sayin' You toss have a HerO for PvZ though, literally :D but i guess we have Puma, and maybe jjakji. Hero has never beaten a really good ZvP player. oh really now. that's a pretty ignorant statement it's not it is. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&league=standard&vs=Zbask in your ignorance. Foreigners cannot compete with koreans when it comes to ZvP. Sorry Nice BS comeback. it's not BS. BS is stating that Sen, Ret, and Sheth are on the same level as Curious, Nestea, Losira, DRG, Coca. All of whom have 70% winrates in that MU or better
We can continue this when HerO beats them in Up/Downs or Code S/A
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i hate the scheduling of WCG, i dont even know wtf is going on even with the posted match times. 
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