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On May 06 2011 19:05 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:03 HolyArrow wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 HolydaKing wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy "this guy" beat mvp in a macro game, see the second map.  Well... while Bomber definitely played extremely well game 2, MVP mostly lost to supply blocking himself... Being 30 supply down like 9 minutes into a game before any fighting has happened isn't really representative of Bomber beating MVP in a macro game. But that's what I think I guess I do like Bombers decision to all-in on this map though. Hated how MVP handled it I thought the definition of macroing well is in part to not get supply blocked. So, when MVP makes a huge macro mistake that allows Bomber to win, it suddenly doesn't count as really beating MVP in a macro game? ..What? Letting yourself get supply blocked is definitely a macro mistake, but it's not representative of MVP's play is my point. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Bomber is better at macro games than MVP, and then proceed to cite this game.
Sure. But we've seen plenty of examples of Bomber's sick macro during his Code A run, and in the GSTL, Bomber was actually ahead in supply but allowed MVP to come back due to being too aggressive. Bomber was also slightly ahead in supply even before MVP had that huge supply block IIRC. Not saying that Bomber is better at macro than MVP, but I argue that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that his macro is at least on par with MVP's.
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On May 06 2011 19:05 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll. Have you ever watched Korean Casting ? they be much more baller
Although they are not extremely socially awkward...
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I totally forgot what happened in game 1.... ah, bad memory.
All I remember is MvP getting easy win I thought he going to take the series easy.
Game 2 too, game 3..
Nvm gonna focus during game 4 !! Go go...
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On May 06 2011 19:05 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll. Have you ever watched Korean Casting ? they be much more baller
Yeah but we aren't Korean and find that style of casting kind of annoying. Pacing is needed in english, constant hype just makes everything dull.
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I think lots of people who think Bomber plays smart and don't care if he cheeses are simply not taking part in this live report thread because the complaining about cheese, including me.
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On May 06 2011 19:06 Seditary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:03 Supamang wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Seditary wrote:On May 06 2011 19:00 Supamang wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 bennyaus wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy 'This guy'? Get out kid. Both of these players are awesome. "get out kid" wow youre hard buddy. whatever you think about Bomber, MVP has way more clout than him. its amazing that mvp has allowed him to be ahead in this match allowed him? Man TL never fails to give me some wtf lols. So what, MVP putting all of his marines out of position was a gosu move by Bomber? dont be fucking snide asshole. MVP lost that game more than Bomber won it And that has nothing to do with MVP allowing Bomber to win, he fucked up, allowing something means he intentionally let Bomber win. Doing well with the insults all over the place too.
mvp did fucked up in the last 2 game.. i see bomber taking this 4-1
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On May 06 2011 19:07 probablywrong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:06 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Are we gonna know brackets of the U&D today? Right after the Finals, yes.
completly forgot about that! awesome cant wait ;D
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On May 06 2011 19:05 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:03 HolyArrow wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 HolydaKing wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy "this guy" beat mvp in a macro game, see the second map. Well... while Bomber definitely played extremely well game 2, MVP mostly lost to supply blocking himself... Being 30 supply down like 9 minutes into a game before any fighting has happened isn't really representative of Bomber beating MVP in a macro game. But that's what I think I guess I do like Bombers decision to all-in on this map though. Hated how MVP handled it I thought the definition of macroing well is in part to not get supply blocked. So, when MVP makes a huge macro mistake that allows Bomber to win, it suddenly doesn't count as really beating MVP in a macro game? ..What? Letting yourself get supply blocked is definitely a macro mistake, but it's not representative of MVP's play is my point. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Bomber is better at macro games than MVP, and then proceed to cite this game.
Exactly.
No one is saying Bomber is bad. Bomber is very good. Its just that MVPs average level of play is higher than Bombers and hes got the credentials to prove it.
I cant believe Bomber fans are like "LOL MVP FANBOI TEARS MMMM" when all we are saying is that MVP isnt playing up to his usual caliber.
Honestly its more a case of Bomber fanboi jizz than MVP fanboi tears
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On May 06 2011 19:05 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll. Have you ever watched Korean Casting ? they be much more baller
Korean casters speak fast and loud.. but they dont shriek and scream like like little girls throughout the entire game. Korean casters are second only to Tastosis and even though I dont understand them, I miss them dearly right now.
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On May 06 2011 19:05 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:03 HolyArrow wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 HolydaKing wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy "this guy" beat mvp in a macro game, see the second map. Well... while Bomber definitely played extremely well game 2, MVP mostly lost to supply blocking himself... Being 30 supply down like 9 minutes into a game before any fighting has happened isn't really representative of Bomber beating MVP in a macro game. But that's what I think I guess I do like Bombers decision to all-in on this map though. Hated how MVP handled it I thought the definition of macroing well is in part to not get supply blocked. So, when MVP makes a huge macro mistake that allows Bomber to win, it suddenly doesn't count as really beating MVP in a macro game? ..What? Letting yourself get supply blocked is definitely a macro mistake, but it's not representative of MVP's play is my point. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Bomber is better at macro games than MVP, and then proceed to cite this game.
MVP's at one point was down 40 SCVs to bomber's 50+, there's simply no excuse for that
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On May 06 2011 19:07 AndersE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:05 Blasterion wrote:On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll. Have you ever watched Korean Casting ? they be much more baller Although they are not extremely socially awkward...
Well I'll give you that..
PS Where is my paper siege tank?
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On May 06 2011 19:08 realstarcrafter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:05 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 19:03 HolyArrow wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 HolydaKing wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy "this guy" beat mvp in a macro game, see the second map. Well... while Bomber definitely played extremely well game 2, MVP mostly lost to supply blocking himself... Being 30 supply down like 9 minutes into a game before any fighting has happened isn't really representative of Bomber beating MVP in a macro game. But that's what I think I guess I do like Bombers decision to all-in on this map though. Hated how MVP handled it I thought the definition of macroing well is in part to not get supply blocked. So, when MVP makes a huge macro mistake that allows Bomber to win, it suddenly doesn't count as really beating MVP in a macro game? ..What? Letting yourself get supply blocked is definitely a macro mistake, but it's not representative of MVP's play is my point. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Bomber is better at macro games than MVP, and then proceed to cite this game. MVP's at one point was down 40 SCVs to bomber's 50+, there's simply no excuse for that
True. Remember that MVP decided to cut SCVs for a while to get his extra rax up earlier.
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On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll.
They are very distracting, yes. Doa really needs to improve his game knowledge and cut on the silly jokes he makes all the time. Most of their commentary is like "wow this game is insane (scream)", and they tell us the supplys each 30 seconds.
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On May 06 2011 19:01 Tosho wrote:
Come on moletrap your failing basic game analysis, MVP sent the marines south to intercept the third tank and a few marines re-inforcing and then sandwich the tanks while the marines attacked the bunker. What he wasn't expecting was for Bomber to all in with the scv's which tanked all the damage from the marines in the bunker.
That's what they assumed... however Mvp sent them way way wayyyyyyyyyyy too far South.
It was almost like he put them on autorun and then left them alone. They were seriously about to hit the south expo. I'm pretty sure Moletrap was right, he was expecting a hidden expansion, not a 1 base All-In. Bomber fooled him or he fooled himself, either way he was not expecting an all-in. I think the bunker was simply his normal timing for it, not something that was meant to hold an all-in.
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On May 06 2011 19:07 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:05 Blasterion wrote:On May 06 2011 19:04 ZeroxCOOL wrote:
Casters need to calm the fuck down. Even during small battles they shriek and scream until its over.. both of them..with high pitched voices.. at the same god damn time. Gives me a headache. Sorry to troll. Have you ever watched Korean Casting ? they be much more baller yeah the yelling is far more from koreans, yet they are far more entertaining. Try turning your volume down @zerox
Yeah , if you don't like the commentators then mute the shit off
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On May 06 2011 19:06 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:05 kckkryptonite wrote:On May 06 2011 19:01 Codeskye wrote:
moletrap constantly talks over doa. it's getting annoying.
I'm getting tired of his lame attempts at jokes and sometimes bad analysis, indeed. I find his jokes pretty funny, stop hating.
Not hating, posting my opinion.
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On May 06 2011 19:04 Ansinjunger wrote:
Again, are the coaches allowed to tell the players what happened in between matches? Moletrap hinted at this but somehow avoided the obvious question I asked.
yes. I think they can watch the replays too if they want.
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On May 06 2011 19:07 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 19:05 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 19:03 HolyArrow wrote:On May 06 2011 19:02 Clog wrote:On May 06 2011 18:58 HolydaKing wrote:On May 06 2011 18:57 Supamang wrote:
how is mvp losing to this guy "this guy" beat mvp in a macro game, see the second map. Well... while Bomber definitely played extremely well game 2, MVP mostly lost to supply blocking himself... Being 30 supply down like 9 minutes into a game before any fighting has happened isn't really representative of Bomber beating MVP in a macro game. But that's what I think I guess I do like Bombers decision to all-in on this map though. Hated how MVP handled it I thought the definition of macroing well is in part to not get supply blocked. So, when MVP makes a huge macro mistake that allows Bomber to win, it suddenly doesn't count as really beating MVP in a macro game? ..What? Letting yourself get supply blocked is definitely a macro mistake, but it's not representative of MVP's play is my point. I'm just saying I wouldn't say Bomber is better at macro games than MVP, and then proceed to cite this game. Sure. But we've seen plenty of examples of Bomber's sick macro during his Code A run, and in the GSTL, Bomber was actually ahead in supply but allowed MVP to come back due to being too aggressive. Bomber was also slightly ahead in supply even before MVP had that huge supply block IIRC. Not saying that Bomber is better at macro than MVP, but I argue that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that his macro is at least on par with MVP's.
Yeah for sure. I'm just saying that for all the people being like "WOAH Bomber totally outclassing MVP game two!". Bomber certainly deserved to win but it's not like MVP played poorly for the most part, he just made one big screw-up that forced him to play behind all game.
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